A black Santa Claus at the mall.

[The_Squid]

54 minutes ago, taxme said:

What is really getting boring is listening too people here who are of the liberal Marxist multiculturalists mind. You know, the ones who think that Santa Claus shouldn't be white only at the mall. A tradition that has been around for decades. 

Decades...  LOL

White people ruined Santa by making him white...   we should go back to the original St. Nick....   that's a real tradition.

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Decades...  LOL

White people ruined Santa by making him white...   we should go back to the original St. Nick....   that's a real tradition.

White people didn't ruin Santa or Christmas. White people are the ones that promoted it. It was the pro-marxists liberal multicultural establishment that want to ruin all things that have to do with a white Santa and to destroy Christmas. And the sad part about it all is that many of them are white. Those white people seem to despise everything about who they are, and their own race. To continue on with a white Santa, and continue on celebrating Christmas is the real tradition.  

[The_Squid]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

White people didn't ruin Santa or Christmas. White people are the ones that promoted it. It was the pro-marxists liberal multicultural establishment that want to ruin all things that have to do with a white Santa and to destroy Christmas. And the sad part about it all is that many of them are white. Those white people seem to despise everything about who they are, and their own race. To continue on with a white Santa, and continue on celebrating Christmas is the real tradition.  

Except St. Nicholas wasn't white....  he looked more like our Mongolian Santa....   

[Omni]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

What is really getting boring is listening too people here who are of the liberal Marxist multiculturalists mind. You know, the ones who think that Santa Claus shouldn't be white only at the mall. A tradition that has been around for decades. 

Thanks for making my point.

[Rue]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

That is what is so wonderful about being politically incorrect, one need not be afraid to question or challenge anything, especially Judaism or a black Santa at the mall. 

So, if I were to make nasty ignorant sweeping comments about white gentiles would you come too their rescue? I bet you could careless  en?  Right?  

 

 

Taxme. All you have to do is look at my past posts on this forum to know what my positions are -make ignorant sweeping comment about anything, you might expect to find me challenging your comments. It depends on how much bran I had that day not the object of your derision. 

By the way this idea you have that "Marxist-liberals  support a black Santa Claus  is a tad twisted.

To start with Marxism of any type (Leninist, Trotskyist, Maoist, Stalinist  denounces Christianity and all religions as a tool byt he state used to unfairly control the masses so they would not support anything to do with any religious ritual. Further, Christmas is in fact a pagan holiday. Paganism and Christianity were fused together by King Constantine in Rome to avoid a civil war between the two. Most if not all Christmas traditions can be linked to pagan and Wiccan rituals about the solistice amd Marxism rejects all religions and faith belief systems other than the state and so paganism which is a faith belief system other than the state would be rejected by Marxists.

 As for choosing Saints, Marxism would denounce that precisely because its a religious ritual and their "egalitarian" views reject the concept of saints. So a Marxist would not believe in anything to do with Christmas let alone saints black, yellow or green.

As for liberalism, Jeremy Bentham who started the ideology said this about religion:( https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/14212-jeremy-bentham )

“No power of government ought to be employed in the endeavor to establish any system or article of belief on the subject of religion.

. . . in no instance has a system in regard to religion been ever established, but for the purpose, as well as with the effect of its being made an instrument of intimidation, corruption, and delusion, for the support of depredation and oppression in the hands of governments.”

As I doubt you know who he is let's just say  he did not like organized religion at all and rejected it and so was no fan of Christmas. So to suggest he supported Santa let alone a black one is silly. He distanced himself from formal organized religions.

Now I assume the people you call Marxist liberals are a category o f people you made up you assume follow both ideologies because you feel anyone leftist is both. I  also assume you think people on what you think is the "right" are against a black Santa.

Let me help you out there. Speaking for myself,I am not Marxist and I am neutral when it comes to Bentham and his theories of utilitarianism but I would probably lean more towards Burke than Bentham in terms of feeling comfortable with certain British political philosophers. From a purely pragmatic point of view I actually think Prince Charles approach to architecture and gardening is good.

 I lgo by psycho-analytical approaches to human behaviour and Jane Goodall as she is an expert on ape behaviour. Political philosophies to me are like religions. I try read up about them all but everyone has its strengths and weaknesses. Most people have no clue what conservatism or liberalism is. They believe the two political parties in Canada calling themselves that name are their namesakes. They aren't. Both are very similiar and practice a Canadian model of political government that tries to balance certain aspects of collectivist approach with certain aspects of individualistic approach. Left, right, the system of patronage and lobbying usualy forces the ruling party to a mushy middle where it caters to the strongest lobyists. Not much ideology today. Its all about who you know and how much money from that person will get a politician re-elected.

As for these constitutents  you sweep into this category of Marxist liberalism black Santa suupporters , I think if you looked a little deeper you might find they could care less what skin colour Santa has as long as he can replace Jose Bautista or Eddie Encarcerion for the Blue Jays in homers and hits.

I am of the same belief as they. The old Negro Leagues are a thing of the past Taxme. We ride on the same buses now. I treat blacks same as I would whites or anyone else. If they are idiots I blast them. If they are good guys I buy them a beer. Its not that complicated a philosophy. More tot he point Taxme, when it comes down to it I prefer dogs. Now have a nice Christmas and yes indeed Tny Fenrnandez was by favourite Blue Jay and he was dark brown and a very devout Christian. I also loved Babe Ruth. I love big fat white guys like Babe who got along with everyone. Yah I liked Jackie Robinson. Yah I loved Roberto Clemente and Willi Stargell and Willie Mays and Carleton Fisk and Thurmon Munson. Didn't care what colour they were. Hey I grew up anExpos fan.  Rusty Staub was pushed out of Houston and came to Montreal when they found out he was gay. Our Manager was Gene Mauch an old ornery son of a gun from Philly and they said Staub wouldn't last a week with him. Mauch never once fought with him or put him down. H e held his tongue. We all knew Staub was gay as they come and loved him. Yah imagine that. See you need to give people credit Taxme. Most people will like anyone if given the chance.

 

Edited December 9, 2016 by Rue

[taxme]

On 12/8/2016 at 5:30 PM, The_Squid said:

Except St. Nicholas wasn't white....  he looked more like our Mongolian Santa....   

So, he was non-white. What's your point? 

[Omni]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, he was non-white. What's your point? 

The point might be then why not portray him honestly in the mall?

[taxme]

10 hours ago, Rue said:

Taxme. All you have to do is look at my past posts on this forum to know what my positions are -make ignorant sweeping comment about anything, you might expect to find me challenging your comments. It depends on how much bran I had that day not the object of your derision. 

By the way this idea you have that "Marxist-liberals  support a black Santa Claus  is a tad twisted.

To start with Marxism of any type (Leninist, Trotskyist, Maoist, Stalinist  denounces Christianity and all religions as a tool byt he state used to unfairly control the masses so they would not support anything to do with any religious ritual. Further, Christmas is in fact a pagan holiday. Paganism and Christianity were fused together by King Constantine in Rome to avoid a civil war between the two. Most if not all Christmas traditions can be linked to pagan and Wiccan rituals about the solistice amd Marxism rejects all religions and faith belief systems other than the state and so paganism which is a faith belief system other than the state would be rejected by Marxists.

 As for choosing Saints, Marxism would denounce that precisely because its a religious ritual and their "egalitarian" views reject the concept of saints. So a Marxist would not believe in anything to do with Christmas let alone saints black, yellow or green.

As for liberalism, Jeremy Bentham who started the ideology said this about religion:( https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/14212-jeremy-bentham )

“No power of government ought to be employed in the endeavor to establish any system or article of belief on the subject of religion.

. . . in no instance has a system in regard to religion been ever established, but for the purpose, as well as with the effect of its being made an instrument of intimidation, corruption, and delusion, for the support of depredation and oppression in the hands of governments.”

As I doubt you know who he is let's just say  he did not like organized religion at all and rejected it and so was no fan of Christmas. So to suggest he supported Santa let alone a black one is silly. He distanced himself from formal organized religions.

Now I assume the people you call Marxist liberals are a category o f people you made up you assume follow both ideologies because you feel anyone leftist is both. I  also assume you think people on what you think is the "right" are against a black Santa.

Let me help you out there. Speaking for myself,I am not Marxist and I am neutral when it comes to Bentham and his theories of utilitarianism but I would probably lean more towards Burke than Bentham in terms of feeling comfortable with certain British political philosophers. From a purely pragmatic point of view I actually think Prince Charles approach to architecture and gardening is good.

 I lgo by psycho-analytical approaches to human behaviour and Jane Goodall as she is an expert on ape behaviour. Political philosophies to me are like religions. I try read up about them all but everyone has its strengths and weaknesses. Most people have no clue what conservatism or liberalism is. They believe the two political parties in Canada calling themselves that name are their namesakes. They aren't. Both are very similiar and practice a Canadian model of political government that tries to balance certain aspects of collectivist approach with certain aspects of individualistic approach. Left, right, the system of patronage and lobbying usualy forces the ruling party to a mushy middle where it caters to the strongest lobyists. Not much ideology today. Its all about who you know and how much money from that person will get a politician re-elected.

As for these constitutents  you sweep into this category of Marxist liberalism black Santa suupporters , I think if you looked a little deeper you might find they could care less what skin colour Santa has as long as he can replace Jose Bautista or Eddie Encarcerion for the Blue Jays in homers and hits.

I am of the same belief as they. The old Negro Leagues are a thing of the past Taxme. We ride on the same buses now. I treat blacks same as I would whites or anyone else. If they are idiots I blast them. If they are good guys I buy them a beer. Its not that complicated a philosophy. More tot he point Taxme, when it comes down to it I prefer dogs. Now have a nice Christmas and yes indeed Tny Fenrnandez was by favourite Blue Jay and he was dark brown and a very devout Christian. I also loved Babe Ruth. I love big fat white guys like Babe who got along with everyone. Yah I liked Jackie Robinson. Yah I loved Roberto Clemente and Willi Stargell and Willie Mays and Carleton Fisk and Thurmon Munson. Didn't care what colour they were. Hey I grew up anExpos fan.  Rusty Staub was pushed out of Houston and came to Montreal when they found out he was gay. Our Manager was Gene Mauch an old ornery son of a gun from Philly and they said Staub wouldn't last a week with him. Mauch never once fought with him or put him down. H e held his tongue. We all knew Staub was gay as they come and loved him. Yah imagine that. See you need to give people credit Taxme. Most people will like anyone if given the chance.

 

Hey, all I am trying to say here is let us just stay with a white Santa at the mall. It has been that way for decades, and there is no reason to change it. Why do we have to give up a tradition to the god of multiculturalism because really that is what it is all about. I picture some kid going to one mall and sitting on a white Santa's knee, and then goes to another mall, and then sees a black Santa. I think that you are going to end up with one mixed up in the head kid here probably asking why so many different colored Santa Clauses. What next, a turban wearing Santa Claus. Geez, I think that I might now regret saying that. Lol.  

PS: I guess that I can consider myself an expert on apes also. They live and climb around in trees. They eat bananas, nuts, and a variety of other plant like foods. They breed to keep their species going. They cannot swim. What else is there to know? I sometimes wondered if she would have preferred to have been an ape rather than a human? 

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, Omni said:

The point might be then why not portray him honestly in the mall?

No, the point is leave things as they dam well are. It is just a tradition that has been around for decades and everyone appeared to be quite happy with it. I never heard anyone saying to me, why is Santa white? nobody cared. I guess that because it is a white man's tradition, then it must be changed. What else can it be?  

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

No, the point is leave things as they dam well are. It is just a tradition that has been around for decades and everyone appeared to be quite happy with it. I never heard anyone saying to me, why is Santa white? nobody cared. I guess that because it is a white man's tradition, then it must be changed. What else can it be?  

People should be able to accept a fictional character in any color they choose.

[taxme]

21 minutes ago, Omni said:

People should be able to accept a fictional character in any color they choose.

I think that we are just screwing around with the heads of the children who have been led to believe that Santa is white. To start having a Santa Claus in the mall in many colors is just nonsense.

What more can I say except that I don't think that you are getting the drift at all here?   

[Omni]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

I think that we are just screwing around with the heads of the children who have been led to believe that Santa is white. To start having a Santa Claus in the mall in many colors is just nonsense.

What more can I say except that I don't think that you are getting the drift at all here?   

I don't know where you live but where I live when I walk down the street I encounter people of many colors. And I don't asses them as being nonsense. You seem to have a very narrow mind. But maybe that's where you live,

. 

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

I don't know where you live but where I live when I walk down the street I encounter people of many colors. And I don't asses them as being nonsense. You seem to have a very narrow mind. But maybe that's where you live,

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Me too. I see lots of different colored people, and hear a lot of strange languages coming from them. Some of the malls where I go now and then are starting to look like the rest of the world. I live in Canada, a country that is starting to look more like the rest of the world, not Canada anymore. I do not have a problem with a person's color. I have a problem with the amount of all these different colors immigrating to Canada. I don't have a narrow mind, I have a politically incorrect one. I call is as I sees it. 

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Me too. I see lots of different colored people, and hear a lot of strange languages coming from them. Some of the malls where I go now and then are starting to look like the rest of the world. I live in Canada, a country that is starting to look more like the rest of the world, not Canada anymore. I do not have a problem with a person's color. I have a problem with the amount of all these different colors immigrating to Canada. I don't have a narrow mind, I have a politically incorrect one. I call is as I sees it. 

You should try travelling more. Being in a place where you are the minority can teach you things.

 

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

You should try travelling more. Being in a place where you are the minority can teach you things.

 

Fact of the matter is oceans are being crossed these days, and let me know if I.m wrong but I assume you are a white Canadian guy, And if that's right then guess what, those people, of whom I am one, are getting old and dying. And we are not having a lot of babies, so our population will drop off unless, we bring in immigrants. Many of those immigrants we have already brought in are very talented and contribute greatly to the economy. And yep, a lot of them are a different color than us. The world is getting smaller, I am here right now due to my grandparents having set sail to this country as emigrants,and so your idea of trying to corral the borders is simply outdated and wrong. Immigration is going to happen whether you like it or not. Always has. Head in the sand is not the way to deal with it.

[taxme]

12 minutes ago, Omni said:

You should try travelling more. Being in a place where you are the minority can teach you things.

 

When I go too other countries where the people are of another color, and they speak a strange language to me, I can accept that. After all, I am in their country, not mine. In Canada I am teaching myself that white Canadians are starting to become a minority in their own country. One just has to look at most of the schools in Vancouver, and even in most malls too see that this is happening for a fact. Apparently, in Richmond, BC white people are in the minority. Just a little education and facts for you to swallow. 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

Fact of the matter is oceans are being crossed these days, and let me know if I.m wrong but I assume you are a white Canadian guy, And if that's right then guess what, those people, of whom I am one, are getting old and dying. And we are not having a lot of babies, so our population will drop off unless, we bring in immigrants. Many of those immigrants we have already brought in are very talented and contribute greatly to the economy. And yep, a lot of them are a different color than us. The world is getting smaller, I am here right now due to my grandparents having set sail to this country as emigrants,and so your idea of trying to corral the borders is simply outdated and wrong. Immigration is going to happen whether you like it or not. Always has. Head in the sand is not the way to deal with it.

See you are a defeatist. You have been conditioned and brainwashed by the politically correct politicians and the phony media that Canada needs more immigrants, and that 80% of them must come from non-white countries.This has been the way for decades now. From my understanding there are plenty of white people that would like to immigrate to Canada but for some u/k reason this is not happening. It's no wonder our white birth rate is dropping. We are not bringing in white people into this country as we once did several decades ago before father trudeau changed our immigration policy to favor non-whites. Before the policy change Canada 's immigrants came mostly from Britain and Europe and Australia in high numbers, and the white people grew in numbers. It only makes common sense and logic to see that when you stop bringing in white people we are naturally going to decline in numbers. If you cannot see that well what more can be said. It is then your head that is in the sand, not mine. 

[Omni]

30 minutes ago, taxme said:

When I go too other countries where the people are of another color, and they speak a strange language to me, I can accept that. After all, I am in their country, not mine. In Canada I am teaching myself that white Canadians are starting to become a minority in their own country. One just has to look at most of the schools in Vancouver, and even in most malls too see that this is happening for a fact. Apparently, in Richmond, BC white people are in the minority. Just a little education and facts for you to swallow. 

The world is full of many different colors who speak various languages. We are the minority. If we don't swallow that fact and educate ourselves we will continue to have problems with that reality. We can remain ignorant and try not to allow integration, or we can get off our dumb arses and enjoy the ride. One way or the other it will happen.

[OftenWrong]

Santa's not ALLOWED to remain white. Traditional Santa is married as well. "Mrs. Clause". So the next version of Santa is GAY.

[Rue]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

I think that we are just screwing around with the heads of the children who have been led to believe that Santa is white. To start having a Santa Claus in the mall in many colors is just nonsense.

What more can I say except that I don't think that you are getting the drift at all here?   

You don't speak for any children just yourself. It  may be hard for you to deal with Santa if he has a tan but don't pose as if you speak for children.

Most people do get your drift. You still own and cling to a black and white t.v.  Wake up those so called children you speak for have left you in the dust.

[Rue]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Santa's not ALLOWED to remain white. Traditional Santa is married as well. "Mrs. Clause". So the next version of Santa is GAY.

That's interesting considering you are arguing Santa is not allowed to be black. Yah zip over your head. You see no contradiction there. Listen, no one is telling you Santa can't be white. straight. obese, whatever you want him to be.  . Knock yourself out just don't try tell other people what colour Santa has to be either.  

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

no one is telling you Santa can't be white. straight. obese, whatever you want him to be.  . Knock yourself out just don't try tell other people what colour Santa has to be either.  

Ah.  Such is moral reltivisim

 

Edited December 10, 2016 by OftenWrong

[Rue]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Ah.  Such is moral reltivisim

 

None of my relatives are moral. 

[taxme]

On 12/10/2016 at 1:21 AM, Omni said:

The world is full of many different colors who speak various languages. We are the minority. If we don't swallow that fact and educate ourselves we will continue to have problems with that reality. We can remain ignorant and try not to allow integration, or we can get off our dumb arses and enjoy the ride. One way or the other it will happen.

It is quite obvious to me now that you are a liberal and a multiculturalist. The old Canada means nothing to you for whatever reason, and you want to see it disappear along with it's traditions,cultures and heritages. Am I right? You must be waiting anxiously for the day when white people in Canada become a tiny minority, eh? The Canada of the past is not your cup of tea. This country will change alright if white people don't wake the heck up soon. We just have to increase our Caucasian immigration policy from 20 - 80% and that will do the job because it is for sure that our phony and fake scream media and politicians won't make the change. They want to make the situation worse. Sad indeed.  

Works for me. 

[taxme]

On 12/10/2016 at 9:51 AM, Rue said:

You don't speak for any children just yourself. It  may be hard for you to deal with Santa if he has a tan but don't pose as if you speak for children.

Most people do get your drift. You still own and cling to a black and white t.v.  Wake up those so called children you speak for have left you in the dust.

No, it is you who has left our white children in the dust, and who is trying to spread the multicultural nonsense that you and your kind want to spray around in Canada. It may be too late but there is always hope that things could change for the better. All it will take is for the white people and to stop listening to people like you, and wake the heck up.