When will populism come to Canada?

[dre]

The other interesting thing about this neo-populism, is the sheer cognitive dissonance associated with it.

Once a candidate successfully positions himself as the the alternative to the "evil establishment", they can literally do no wrong. It didn't matter that Donald Trump defrauded ordinary Americans out of their money, or hired illegal immigrants, or ripped off contractors. Once the flock has bought into the idea that you are their savior from the dysfunctional status quo, you can do an say whatever the hell you want, no matter how contradictory it is to your "populist" campaign. Sorta like how Burlisconi... the ultimate corrupt crony, somehow managed to ride a wave of anti corruption sentiment to power.

In any case this is inevitable. As our system of government and its predominant parties continue to fail at solving our problems, its going to be easier and easier for these type of people to win elections. And nationalism populism can be a real disaster for the ordinary folks that it purports to represent.

[eyeball]

You did say leadership race during which time Trump's policy was to pretty much just repeat that he wasn't a GOP insider and slag everyone else.

[dre]

8 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

No he had policies. He wanted to build a wall, he wanted to ban muslims, he wanted to lower corporate taxes, he wanting to cancel the TPP, etc.

The only policy Trudeau had was legalization of marijuana. And he was against legalization of marijuana in 2012 and only changed his mind after deciding to run for leadership. So he basically decided to run for leadership on 0 policies. Just say the world middle class a lot and play identity politics.

Trudeau had a lot more policies than just immigration.

1. Normalize relations with Iran

2. Get rid of first past the post electoral system

3. End the use of omnibus bills to avoid scrutiny of legislation

4. Make stats canada fully independent.

5. Non-partisan process for Senate Appointments.

6. New labeling rules for food, tobacco, etc.

And dozens of other things... not saying he HAS done them or WILL... But like you said with Trump, people just ignored most of the thing Trudeau said  he wanted to do.

[OftenWrong]

Trudeau is the Left's cult of personality. There was absolutely no reason to elect him other than this. He had no policy or even significant experience in politics. Just a pretty boy, a face. They even made sure he didn't get to say much, cause when he did... oh boy.

I'll tell you something else about you're entitled little fella. Beware those who smile all the time, and never for a moment get real. They are the worst there is.

[dre]

10 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

 

O'Leary doesn't gain as much profits by pursuing political office.

 

If he can privatize part of the healthcare system, then him and people like him stand to make billions.

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Trudeau is the Left's cult of personality. There was absolutely no reason to elect him other than this. He had no policy or even significant experience in politics. Just a pretty boy, a face. They even made sure he didn't get to say much, cause when he did... oh boy.

 

This exemplifies the same type of disregard for a whole swack of people that the 'elites' are accused of doing. Trudeau's message resonated with a lot of people.  Maybe that message didn't appeal to you, but dumbing it down like that so you can dismiss it is no diffetent than Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorable.  

 

[Omni]

36 minutes ago, Bryan said:

Trump had a documented policy platform that was on his website right from the time he began the race. The media just chose to ignore it. You can say you don't LIKE his policies, but it's categorically false to say he didn't have any.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

I wonder why he couldn't seem to elaborate any of his policy when the public was listening, such as in the debates. I guess he just preferred trying to bully Hillary around the stage like the buffoon he is. 

[Argus]

23 minutes ago, dre said:

If he can privatize part of the healthcare system, then him and people like him stand to make billions.

I don't care. I want our system to be more like those in Europe. Ours doesn't work nearly as well.

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

This exemplifies the same type of disregard for a whole swack of people that the 'elites' are accused of doing. Trudeau's message resonated with a lot of people.  Maybe that message didn't appeal to you, but dumbing it down like that so you can dismiss it is no diffetent than Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorable. 

The point in one of those cites is that when you have government not only does not represent a sizeable chunk of people but feels contempt for that sizeable chunk of people then you have conditions which give rise to populist or fake populist people and parties. We certainly have that situation now.

[Argus]

28 minutes ago, dre said:

Trudeau had a lot more policies than just immigration.

1. Normalize relations with Iran

2. Get rid of first past the post electoral system

3. End the use of omnibus bills to avoid scrutiny of legislation

4. Make stats canada fully independent.

5. Non-partisan process for Senate Appointments.

6. New labeling rules for food, tobacco, etc.

And dozens of other things... not saying he HAS done them or WILL... But like you said with Trump, people just ignored most of the thing Trudeau said  he wanted to do.

I wonder if you realize all that is stuff the man on the street largely doesn't give a damn about.

[-1=e^ipi]

@ Dre - I said with respect to the leadership contest, not the election. Name policies he had before getting the leadership in 2013.

[dre]

14 minutes ago, Argus said:

The point in one of those cites is that when you have government not only does not represent a sizeable chunk of people but feels contempt for that sizeable chunk of people then you have conditions which give rise to populist or fake populist people and parties. We certainly have that situation now.

You almost ALWAYS have those conditions. The problem is the mainstream parties have been able to create a firewall against other alternatives. Its very hard to overcome that in our system.  The US has not had a populist president since Roosevelt. I don't know if Canada has every really had a populist prime minister.

 

[dre]

25 minutes ago, Argus said:

I don't care. I want our system to be more like those in Europe. Ours doesn't work nearly as well.

We have been over this... You mentioned the French system... its not more private than ours its less private. And its successful mostly because doctors work for 100K. We need to address the certification problem, and the medical unions (associations).

[Bryan]

51 minutes ago, dre said:

If he can privatize part of the healthcare system, then him and people like him stand to make billions.

I sure hope so.

39 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 Trudeau's message resonated with a lot of people.

Yeah, people with really short memories.

33 minutes ago, Omni said:

I wonder why he couldn't seem to elaborate any of his policy when the public was listening, such as in the debates. 

He did, quite a bit. You should have tried listening to what he actually said, instead of what NYT, CNN, HuffPo, and CBC told you he said.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Bryan said:

I sure hope so.

Yeah, people with really short memories.

He did, quite a bit. You should have tried listening to what he actually said, instead of what NYT, CNN, HuffPo, and CBC told you he said.

"lock 'er up" is his policy?

[Bryan]

2 minutes ago, Omni said:

"lock 'er up" is his policy?

Thank you for proving my point.

[Omni]

Just now, Bryan said:

Thank you for proving my point.

Oh yeah, and I forgot, "we're gonna build a wall". That about covers it.

[Bryan]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Oh yeah, and I forgot, "we're gonna build a wall". That about covers it.

I'm not joking when I say you're proving my point. If that's all you got from his campaign, you did not listen to what Trump said, you listened to what the media TOLD you he said. There was a pretty big difference. 

[cybercoma]

2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

No, Trudeau is extremely unique as a politician. Name one other major party leader in a western country that won the leadership race on essentially a platform of no policies?

If Trudeau had no policies, Trump had even less.

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, Bryan said:

I'm not joking when I say you're proving my point. If that's all you got from his campaign, you did not listen to what Trump said, you listened to what the media TOLD you he said. There was a pretty big difference. 

I listened to the debates as long as I could stand it but finally realized it was a complete waste of time.   

[cybercoma]

1 hour ago, -1=e^ipi said:

No he had policies. He wanted to build a wall, he wanted to ban muslims, he wanted to lower corporate taxes, he wanting to cancel the TPP, etc.

And Trudeau had policies too. You just choose to ignore them or like to pretend they didn't exist.

[-1=e^ipi]

Just now, cybercoma said:

If Trudeau had no policies, Trump had even less.

Cool, can you list some of Trudeau's policies for the leadership race then?

[cybercoma]

Just now, -1=e^ipi said:

Cool, can you list some of Trudeau's policies for the leadership race then?

Sure. Here's a list of 223 promises he made during the election.

https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/

[-1=e^ipi]

During the ELECTION. I said during the LEADERSHIP race. Come on, name some. You have legalization of marijuana. What else?

[Argus]

32 minutes ago, dre said:

We have been over this... You mentioned the French system... its not more private than ours its less private. And its successful mostly because doctors work for 100K. We need to address the certification problem, and the medical unions (associations).

What we need to do is SOMETHING. I don't particularly care what we try, but we have not tried anything in decades and there seems no political will among any of the parties to do so now.