Immigration of religious fanatics

[Canadianjim]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Of course you do. But why? It's two religious groups expressing their hatred for each other far from Canada. 

But why? Did you ask me why? Why did my family fight in ww1 and ww2? Were  they wrong?

Edited December 18, 2016 by Canadianjim

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

Ok I assume you are  a canadian like me. Guess what the news is now that Canada has WMD'ds . America has accused us. They are now invading. Their bombs have killed my wife and children. They have killed your entire family. They now have your brother in stoney mountain prison torturing him. What are you going to do about it?

Wiggle my nose and make it all stop. This is all silly fantasy, after all.

And you leave out that virtually all western military intervention over the past generation has been a response to existing violence in the middle east.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

But why? Did you ask me why? Why did my family fight in ww1 and ww2? Were  they wrong?

Survived 3rd Ypres, at least...

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, Canadianjim said:

But why? Did you ask me why? Why did my family fight in ww1 and ww2? Were  they wrong?

We fought because we were part of the British empire and defending Britain, of course, and because if the Germans took over the rest of the world they'd eventually be after us. I fail to see how that relates to the middle east, or how any of it relates to the topic of bringing religious fanatics into Canada. Which is something you evidently support wholeheartedly despite claiming you despise religion.

I'll make it easier on you. I would also oppose bringing zealous Jews to Canada from Israel, especially those ultra-orthodox loonies the Haradim. I bet you would, too. So now explain why you WANT lots of extremist Muslms to come here.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Argus

[herples]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Uhhhh...nope. The KKK was founded post Civil War to counter Northern influence specifically. Not put freed slaves back in the fields. You're free to read the entire Wikipedia page.

You cannot separate the KKK from it's white supremacist roots by claiming that it was only against northern influence. 

[Canadianjim]

16 minutes ago, Argus said:

Please don't introduce your Jew hatred into this topic. There are many other topics available to those who despise Jews.

As for your denial of the obvious truth that there is no support of Christian theocratic rule but massive worldwide support for Sharia law and Islamic rule, one can only ascribe that to extreme ideological blindness.

 

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Canada did have WMDs for quite a number of years. We bombed Germans in their beds, too. Nice old grannies and pretty young girls...boom.

Is that your response?. My reply is Miko Peled , Israeli born Jew, served in IDF, father Matti Peled . Israeli general during 67 war. Grandfather ..one of israelis original founders,  Miko Peled a Jew i admire who despise fascists who try to shut down the conversation ;... 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, herples said:

You cannot separate the KKK from it's white supremacist roots by claiming that it was only against northern influence. 

Good gravy...a good chunk of the Union was against Lincoln freeing the slaves let alone the Confederacy. 1865 isn't 2016.

 

1 minute ago, Canadianjim said:

 

Is that your response?. My reply is Miko Peled , Israeli born Jew, served in IDF, father Matti Peled . Israeli general during 67 war. Grandfather ..one of israelis original founders,  Miko Peled a Jew i admire who despise fascists who try to shut down the conversation ;... 

Miko's dad lorded over Egyptian POWs...not your pet Palestinians.

[Canadianjim]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Wiggle my nose and make it all stop. This is all silly fantasy, after all.

And you leave out that virtually all western military intervention over the past generation has been a response to existing violence in the middle east.

"And you leave out that virtually all western military intervention over the past generation has been a response to existing violence in the middle east"

 

I see excuses for atrocities. Never mind those interventions were over there. That  in itself exposes your claim. Why were they "over there"

[herples]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Everything about the cultural value system of the middle east is easily as exclusive as the KKK. Pan Arabism and the entire notion of the "caliphate" and Dar al-Islam excludes anyone who isn't Arab and Muslim. Incidentally, Dar al-Islam means the House of Peace. It is where Muslims rule. The rest of the world, where Muslims don't rule, is called Dar al-Harb, which is The House of War, which are the places Muslims must conquer. There is no cultural or social instinct towards peaceful co-existence, equality and respect for non-Muslims in any of the 57 Muslim countries.

I don't disagree that those countries have their own issues with race and ethnicity but it is still a stretch to compare a religion with a racial movement. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, herples said:

I don't disagree that those countries have their own issues with race and ethnicity but it is still a stretch to compare a religion with a racial movement. 

Islam and the KKK are both religious organizations.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Islam and the KKK are both religious organizations.

More to the point is that Islam has a very strong political element, including a complete code of laws, both criminal and family, and instructions on how the state should be run. As such it is easily, and has been co-opted into a political movement.

[herples]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Islam and the KKK are both religious organizations.

Islam isn't based on the basis of being Arab or middle eastern where as the KKK is based on the basis of being white. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Argus said:

More to the point is that Islam has a very strong political element, including a complete code of laws, both criminal and family, and instructions on how the state should be run. As such it is easily, and has been co-opted into a political movement.

The KKK is no slouch politically over its lifetime...5 million members during the 2nd Klan. WW2 put an end to it.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, herples said:

Islam isn't based on the basis of being Arab or middle eastern where as the KKK is based on the basis of being white. 

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all from the Middle East.

Some of the biggest slave holders in the Old South were black.

Edited December 18, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, herples said:

Islam isn't based on the basis of being Arab or middle eastern where as the KKK is based on the basis of being white. 

In fact, a lot of people, most especially Arabs, will tell you that the only legitimate Koran is one written in Arab. 

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all from the Middle East.

Some of the biggest slave holders in the Old South were black.

And Islam legitimizes slave holding, as long as they're not Muslims.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Argus said:

And Islam legitimizes slave holding, as long as they're not Muslims.

 

Yes...sex slavery specifically.

[herples]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

In fact, a lot of people, most especially Arabs, will tell you that the only legitimate Koran is one written in Arab. 

Which says more about the mindset of that person than Islam itself. 

 

15 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all from the Middle East.

Some of the biggest slave holders in the Old South were black.

Does not change what the KKK is and it is a white supremacist movement.

[DogOnPorch]

34 minutes ago, herples said:

Which says more about the mindset of that person than Islam itself. 

 

Does not change what the KKK is and it is a white supremacist movement.

 

Similar to claiming that the Nazis were a White Supremacist movement. While technically true, it ignores every other aspect of Nazism...from Blitzkriegs to Bismarcks. The KKK were just as likely to hang you no matter your skin colour if you didn't agree with their particular value set. Republicans, Jews and Catholics included. Naturally, any black political movement in the South was going to be its target.  But, you've seen Mississippi Burning...only one black guy in that automobile.

Edited December 18, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

47 minutes ago, Argus said:

And Islam legitimizes slave holding, as long as they're not Muslims.

Holy crap, you actually believe this?? Let's see some evidence of that, and not analogies or crap like that. Cite some sources.

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Holy crap, you actually believe this?? Let's see some evidence of that, and not analogies or crap like that. Cite some sources.

Isis and Boko Haram both enslave women, and no doubt other extreme sects do as well.   That's all the proof they need: .006625% of the Muslim population does it, so it must be mainstream.

 

[Omni]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Nor KKK members. So you're okay with importing tens of thousands of KKK members every year right?

Trying to equate the KKK with Syrian refugees just ain't gonna fly.

[DogOnPorch]

The Quran justifies sexual slavery of non-Muslims in several verses...most notable being 33:50...the notorious 'which the right hand possesses' verse.

https://quran.com/33/50

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

Trying to equate the KKK with Syrian refugees just ain't gonna fly.

Any Muslim is capable of becoming a violent extremist as we have seen in past Jihad attacks on the West. Not just a refugee from Syria. A Muslim convert from Canada can be JUST as fanatical...Islam isn't a race or a skin colour.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Any Muslim is capable of becoming a violent extremist as we have seen in past Jihad attacks on the West. Not just a refugee from Syria. A Muslim convert from Canada can be JUST as fanatical...Islam isn't a race or a skin colour.

And so can any Jew, Christian, atheist, etc.