?Impact Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Argus said: Sure. But let's face facts. We're talking about people with, for the most part, no knowledge of English/French, without the modern, technical skills and abilities we take for granted (how many do you think can type?), from a culture completely different from the one here, often with little or no education beyond primary school, and with no assets. What's left for them but unskilled labour? And even that requires they learn English first. What is your opinion of the refugees from Syria based on? Education level was good in Syria prior to 2011. The biggest problem is with the past 5 years, and that depends on the facilities available in the asylum countries. I expect the 20% of refugees in the 15-24 age bracket will be the hardest hit, younger children will take some time to fit into our education system but in the long run they will for the most part benefit. the 25+ adult age bracket will have benefitted for the most part from a solid education in Syria. Language will be an issue, as only about half of the refugees speak English or French. Not every refugee will be a success story, but there is a significant effort to provide them the opportunity to reach success. Instead of continually looking at the glass half empty, get off your butt and volunteer to help them succeed. To find out how go to: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/volunteer.asp
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 7 hours ago, ?Impact said: What is your opinion of the refugees from Syria based on? Education level was good in Syria prior to 2011. The 25,000 refugees Canada is importing contrast with Europe’s new arrivals in almost every way. Generally speaking, they were the most economically vulnerable of the Syrian refugees living in Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon They were Syria’s olive farmers and shopkeepers before the war, not its university graduates. Of the dozens of refugees headed to Canada that I met (and I was focused on the government-selected pool, rather than private sponsorships), I can remember only one who spoke passable English. Many of their kids, worryingly, had been out of school for years. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/what-distinguishes-the-syrians-arriving-in-europe-from-those-incanada/article28614428/ Canada’s refugees are being drawn from a pool of the poorest of the poor. Lacking higher education or easily transferable skill sets, and with scant English or French, they will require an immense amount of help and encouragement when they arrive on the other side of the pond. They will be in for a tough slog once they get their parkas, toques and galoshes on. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/matthew-fisher-refugees-will-face-a-cultural-cliff-in-canada-and-canadians-will-be-tested-too "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 You've posted those before, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence from which they draw their conclusions. Canada was able to pick the refugees than they wanted, rather than having them just streaming in.
betsy Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 10 hours ago, Smallc said: Canada was able to pick the refugees than they wanted, rather than having them just streaming in. How do you know that? What makes you so sure?
betsy Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, ?Impact said: What you are assuming in both cases is the refugees are not working and supporting themselves. The goal of the refugee program is not to create welfare cases, but integrate them into the Canadian economy. Integration is just part of the issue. That's another thing. How many share Canadian values? Because if they don't share it, you can kiss integration goodbye! That's why screening refugees we take in for compatibility with our values, is the most important thing to do! Everything hinges on that! But when we talk of welfare cases - we're talking about being able to support themselves! The goal of the Refugee Program is not realistic - it's simply a "feel-good" line they feed to Canadians, who'll surely end up footing the bill! Edited November 13, 2016 by betsy
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 2 hours ago, betsy said: How do you know that? What makes you so sure? Uhhh, the fact that we went over there to get them from the camps, interviewing and vetting them. Most of Europe didn't get that chance.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Vetting...lol... Q: Are you a terrorist? A: No. Welcome to Canada. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
?Impact Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 4 hours ago, betsy said: How many share Canadian values? Canadian values, you mean to live in peace and raise a family? Is that what you mean by Canadian values, or do you have a whole whack of right wing religious extremist views you want them to share? Stop it with the friggen Canadian values line if you can't define it.
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Smallc said: Uhhh, the fact that we went over there to get them from the camps, interviewing and vetting them. Most of Europe didn't get that chance. The number one priority given to Immigration was to get them over here as fast as humanly possible. All else was sacrificed to meeting an artificial goal set by Trudeau. They have had virtually zero vetting. Edited November 13, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 3 hours ago, ?Impact said: Canadian values, you mean to live in peace and raise a family? Is that what you mean by Canadian values, or do you have a whole whack of right wing religious extremist views you want them to share? Stop it with the friggen Canadian values line if you can't define it. Yes, Canadian values, as in we don't want to burn Jews in ovens or drop a wall on gays or beat women to death if they show their shoulders in public, or execute apostates and blasphemers, among other things. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 18 hours ago, Smallc said: You've posted those before, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence from which they draw their conclusions. The fact they're crowding into food banks is evidence. And the journalists in question actually went and visited an interviewed them. That's evidence, too. What do you have to oppose it aside from selfies from the shiny pony? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, Argus said: The fact they're crowding into food banks is evidence. And the journalists in question actually went and visited an interviewed them. That's evidence, too. What do you have to oppose it aside from selfies from the shiny pony? They just got here from a war zone - you expect them to have their whole lives set up now?
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 The reality is, the government prioritized children and families. This wasn't designed as an economic boost.
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: They just got here from a war zone - you expect them to have their whole lives set up now? No, and I don't expect them to ever pay income taxes, either. Nor the 50,000 who come next year. Nor most of the tens of thousands of other ME people who will be immigrating this year and next year. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: The reality is, the government prioritized children and families. This wasn't designed as an economic boost. The majority of Syrian women have never worked outside the home except for farm work. Saw that somewhere. I think I've posted it,too. Something over 80%. So these women are here with their kids, they don't speak English, and they have zero job skills. How long do you think it will take before they're buying houses and cars? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) Refugees are not economic immigrants. That doesn't mean non will contribute. Looking at the charting, it appears that their education is about what you'd expect from people fleeing a war zone - delayed. Many of them were in high school or were young children. Edited November 13, 2016 by Smallc
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Just now, Argus said: The majority of Syrian women have never worked outside the home except for farm work. Saw that somewhere. I think I've posted it,too. Something over 80%. So these women are here with their kids, they don't speak English, and they have zero job skills. How long do you think it will take before they're buying houses and cars? Again, those people were brought here for humanitarian reasons - not as an economic driver. What is that so hard for you to understand?
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Smallc said: Again, those people were brought here for humanitarian reasons - not as an economic driver. What is that so hard for you to understand? That's what I said about how nice it was to be nice and how Liberals love to be nice - with other people's money. They just don't tend to want those people to know how much their niceness costs. We'll be paying for these women, most of whom will be on welfare, for the rest of their lives. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 There are also a significant number of people that came over with post secondary education (about 1/6 so far). You think that those people will never contribute?
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: There are also a significant number of people that came over with post secondary education (about 1/6 so far). You think that those people will never contribute? I'm sure some will find jobs of some kind. Post-secondary education from Syria? Fine. But what do they do when we no longer need taxi drivers? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Syria had an excellent education system.
Argus Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: Syria had an excellent education system. For the Middle East maybe. I have considerable doubts any of their 'post secondary' institutions are up to our standards in quality of education or are likely to be teaching the kind of things which are required here in our much more highly technological environment. Could, for example, a Syrian garage mechanic work here? Nope. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
betsy Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: Canadian values, you mean to live in peace and raise a family? Is that what you mean by Canadian values, or do you have a whole whack of right wing religious extremist views you want them to share? Stop it with the friggen Canadian values line if you can't define it. Living in peace and raising a family - those are universal! Since we're now in a predominantly liberal society, actually, what values I've got in mind should be asked by a liberal such as yourself. You should ask: do they share your values regarding equality for women? Abortion? LGBT? Promiscuity and adultery? Liberal moral lifestyle? What about Canadian cuisine - bacon is definitely part of our culture! Anyone who finds the smell of bacon offensive must have the welcome mat yanked off from under their feet! Yes, I'm still harping about someone complaining at the smell of bacon in a restaurant that serves breakfast. And the restaurant owner scrapped bacon off his menu. I wonder how is his breakfast special now? The nerve. Edited November 13, 2016 by betsy
Guest Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, betsy said: Living in peace and raising a family - those are universal! Since we're now in a predominantly liberal society, actually, what values I've got in mind should be asked by a liberal such as yourself. You should ask: do they share your values regarding equality for women? Abortion? LGBT? Promiscuity and adultery? Liberal moral lifestyle? Canadian cuisine - that bacon is definitely part of our culture! If people don't want to eat bacon that's up to them. If they want to work tables at Denny's they should expect to serve it.
betsy Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: If people don't want to eat bacon that's up to them. If they want to work tables at Denny's they should expect to serve it. I mean, if he wants to complain - go ahead. But don't demand that people kowtow to his demand! But I'm incensed over the stupidity of the owner. I wonder how his breakfast sale is going now if he's not serving bacon. Maybe he's decided to have the bacon-haters for his clientele. If that's the case, that's his choice.
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