carbon

[Topaz]

The other night, I was listening to the guy talk about how research had come up with a way to turn carbon into a substance that can be mixed with paint for autos to heat up like solar panels do and  this would run the auto, and he said if would be able to mix it with paint for one's home. Anyone know about this?

[-1=e^ipi]

Carbon is black. If you mix it with paint and make your car black then I guess it would heat up since black things tend to absorb more sunlight.

[Wilber]

How is he going to use this heat to produce power? Photo electric solar panels require light to work, not heat. Silicon is used for electric solar panels because it is a good semi conductor, Carbon is an electrical non conductor and not used in solar panels that produce electricity.

[Guest]

Maybe bucky-balls?

From Wiki:

The optical absorption properties of C₆₀ match solar spectrum in a way that suggests that C₆₀-based films could be useful for photovoltaic applications. Because of its high electronic affinity ^[61] it is one of the most common electron acceptors used in donor/acceptor based solar cells. Conversion efficiencies up to 5.7% have been reported in C₆₀–polymer cells.^[62]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminsterfullerene#Applications

Edited November 3, 2016 by bcsapper
forgot to add link

[dre]

Its new technology not ready for prime time yet. Basically the molecules automatically allign themselves to magnetic north and you collect the power there with a copper wire. It has nothing to do with making heat, it actually turns the painted surface into a solar panel that produces current.

 

http://www.nanoflexpower.com/automotive

These guys are starting to make photo-voltaic paints.

Same with these guys.

http://www.proudgreenhome.com/news/new-paint-additive-turns-any-surface-into-a-solar-panel/

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The conductor is a super thin 2μm (microns) copper-based alloy fiber that acts as the basic conducting surface. This fiber can be fabricated as a cloth or as a powder.

The photovoltaic cells are the most and revolutionary of the three components. They have the capacity to transform light sources to electricity, to work as an intelligent conductor and to sense the magnetic North. The cells'surfaces have a series of conducting and non-conducting areas. Through a special process, each photovoltaic cell is able to use these areas to intelligently allow and stop energy flow from and to the fiber conductor avoiding a shortcut chaos. Most importantly, each cell will re-route energy coming from the fiber to the magnetic north. This is the way by which instead of thousands of possible destinations, the flow of energy always finds its way to the magnetic North where the conductor will end and the electric current is trapped by a special copper wire.

The third component is the tension stabilizer that receives electric current from different parts of the conductor fibre by the copper wire and it stabilizes it before generating a useful current output.

Once the electrical output is obtained, this system is connected to the house grid.

 

 

[Wilber]

Very interesting technology for fixed applications but problematic for a vehicle where orientation with magnetic north is continually changing.

[-1=e^ipi]

sounds useful. But the amount of power you would get from that is very small. You couldn't power a car with that.

[Wilber]

Just a very light, very small, very slow car and only one driven in daylight. It might be used to augment electric and hybrid vehicles though..

[Bonam]

Solar panels on a car (whether conventional or using some new technology discussed above) would just allow a small amount of charge to be recovered while the car is parked where there is light. It would take many days out in full sunlight to recharge an electric car battery completely, given the small amount of area available for solar panels on a car. That said, it could be a nice little benefit, or could be used to run/charge small devices. For example, I know some people that have camper vans with solar panels installed, and use them to charge phones, runs laptops, run a radio or small electric heater, etc, without turning on the engine. For most normal vehicles though, the cost of installing solar panels on it would likely not be worth the small amount of extra energy that could be recovered. 

[Wilber]

Very small. A solar array that could be mounted on a small car couldn't put out anywhere near the 240V that is required to charge a Nissan Leaf in 8 hours.

 

RV systems are 12V. Some folks have solar systems that can put out 1000W or more, coupled with 120V inverters and larger battery banks can pretty much go off grid indefinitely in sunnier climes without a generator, as long as they don't need air conditioning. 150W to 300W would be more then norm though.

[overthere]

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Very small. A solar array that could be mounted on a small car couldn't put out anywhere near the 240V that is required to charge a Nissan Leaf in 8 hours.

How many kwh does that require, for a full charge?

[Wilber]

It comes in 24 and 30 kwh battery packs.

[August1991]

On 11/3/2016 at 10:48 PM, Wilber said:

Very small. A solar array that could be mounted on a small car couldn't put out anywhere near the 240V that is required to charge a Nissan Leaf in 8 hours.

 

RV systems are 12V. Some folks have solar systems that can put out 1000W or more, coupled with 120V inverters and larger battery banks can pretty much go off grid indefinitely in sunnier climes without a generator, as long as they don't need air conditioning. 150W to 300W would be more then norm though.

This thread somehow morphed (changed) from a discussion of Carbon into a discussion of Climate Change aka Global Warming aka increased CO2 emissions aka Carbon Dioxide emissions.

Carbon is one thing. Carbon Dioxide is something else.

Let's be honest: It is a CO2 (carbon dioxide) tax. It is not a carbon tax. 

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When Justin Trudeau refers to a CO2 tax or a "Carbon Dioxide tax", I'll take him seriously.

As long as he refers to a "carbon tax", I reckon that he's an idiot or a propagandist - or as his youtube/selfies about quantum mechanics suggest, a useful idiot.

Edited November 10, 2016 by August1991

[Wilber]

Just now, August1991 said:

This thread somehow morphed (changed) from a discussion of Carbon into a discussion of Climate Change aka Global Warming aka increased CO2 emissions aka Carbon Dioxide emissions.

Carbon is one thing. Carbon Dioxide is something else.

Let's be honest: It is a CO2 (carbon dioxide) tax. It is not a carbon tax. 

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When Justin Trudeau refers to a CO2 tax or a "Carbon Dioxide tax", I'll take him seriously.

As long as he refers to a "carbon tax", I reckon that he's an idiot - despite his youtube/selfies about quantum mechanics.

How so? I don't see one reference to climate change until you brought it up just now. We are discussing the viability of a solar powered vehicle and how much power you can expect to get from a portable solar array. 

[Wilber]

30 kwh would cost about $2.50 at BC's cheapest rate or about 150 mpg at $1.00 per litre gasoline.

[August1991]

27 minutes ago, Wilber said:

How so? I don't see one reference to climate change until you brought it up just now.

Why go to the trouble of subsidizing/making solar panels in China and shipping them to Canada?

Natural gas, oil and coal are readily available here, in North America. But that would mean, as Leonardo di Caprio has pointed out, large emissions of CO2 (carbon dioxide) into the atmosphere.

It is a carbon dioxide tax. Not a "carbon" tax. (Heck, coal and carbon are black. Let's call it a black tax.)

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Wilber, what's the emoji for "sigh"?

 

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by August1991

[Wilber]

42 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Why go to the trouble of subsidizing/making solar panels in China and shipping them to Canada?

Natural gas, oil and coal are readily available here, in North America. But that would mean, as Leonardo di Caprio has pointed out, large emissions of CO2 (carbon dioxide) into the atmosphere.

It is a carbon dioxide tax. Not a "carbon" tax. (Heck, coal and carbon are black. Let's call it a black tax.)

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Wilber, what's the emoji for "sigh"?

 

 

August, I can't find the words subsidize, carbon dioxide or carbon tax anywhere in this thread until you inserted them. This was pretty much a technical discussion but you seem intent on turning it into something else.

[August1991]

On 11/3/2016 at 0:42 PM, Wilber said:

How is he going to use this heat to produce power? Photo electric solar panels require light to work, not heat. Silicon is used for electric solar panels because it is a good semi conductor, Carbon is an electrical non conductor and not used in solar panels that produce electricity.

Huh?

Carbon, Carbon chains, Carbohydrates, Hydro-carbons, Butane, Propane, natural gas, light oil, heavy oil, oil sands, tar sands, heat, power, electricity.

Or something.

Edited November 10, 2016 by August1991

[?Impact]

Not really sure where this thread is going as it seems all over the place. Getting back to the original OP, there has been a lot of research recently with carbon nanotubes to 'paint' a battery onto surfaces. I haven't seen anything about photocells, but that seems like a possible progression.