Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[Smallc]

All he knows or cares about is how to get votes. He doesn't care about the future any more than any other politician does. He cares about this election. Now. Nothing else.

I'm glad that at least one of us can read minds.

What states? More than half of them wear the hijab every single time they leave home. And you think this is a hat. I can only shake my head at how naive you are.

A lot of Christians wear a cross. I don't see the complaint.

Do they believe in executing homosexuals, blasphemers, apostates, and anyone else who insults Islam? Do they think women in shorts are prostitutes? Do their women not socialize with men outside their family?

These are pretty core Muslim beliefs.

Are they? Do all the people wearing the hijab believe that? Are you sure?

What bias do I hold? Do you think I would have a different opinion of, say, Italians, if they acted and believed what Muslims do, or Jews? Or Methodists?

Or maybe, just maybe, am I simply examining their self-stated beliefs - the beliefs you are so absolutely certain they don't hold, even if they say they do, and even if their religious texts say they must, and even if that belief is part of their legal code in every Muslim country, and judging that as barbaric?

I think, that like many conservatives, you fear change and the other.

Well, without 'em...Gaza might as well go back to being Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan. Because they are the Palestinian Cause unless you actually sign-on to all that clap-trap claiming otherwise.

Helping the people that live there doesn't mean supporting the groups that lead them.

I'd prefer Canada take zero "Palestinians" due to their track record. But, I don't run things...

Good thing too - broadbrushing is always a bad idea.

In which western country is homosexuality illegal?

What?

A lot of people hear or read the words "UN" and seem to instinctively feel this must be a group of neutral outside foreigners who can be trusted to be unbiased, but in point of fact most of the UN employees of the UNRWA are Palestinians. They don't even make any secret of it.

UNRWA has over 30,000 employees, most of them Palestine refugees and a small number of international staff, in two headquarter offices (Gaza and Amman), five field offices (Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and West Bank), and in four Representative/Liaison Offices (New York, Geneva, Brussels and Cairo).

http://www.unrwa.org/careers/working-unrwa

And all Palestinians are inherently evil, right?

[DogOnPorch]

The Hijab is entirely the wrong battle to fight. A quick look back at Iran in the Shah days shows the ladies were pretty darn modern. Especially in Tehran. It is the suffocating effect of Islam itself that brought the change in 1979.

[DogOnPorch]

Helping the people that live there doesn't mean supporting the groups that lead them.

Good thing too - broadbrushing is always a bad idea.

Yes it does. When Henry Ford traded with Nazi Germany, he was supporting the Third Reich.

Anybody claiming to be 'Palestinian' obviously has connection to either Hamas or the PLO...either direct or by tacit support.

Ask Jordan why you don't want too many claiming to be so in your country.

[Argus]

Oh so now it's not just a simple survey of opinions and attitudes, but a full personality inventory?

You're being more and more ridiculous, Argus.

Out in la-la land.

That requires a professional to administer and interpret, and would cost about $2,000 per person.

You're pulling numbers out of your ass. I had such a test when Rogers was looking for customer service people and I don't believe for a second that it cost them $2k apiece.

If the cost was that high nobody would use it for mere candidates.

But in any event, given how much we spend on each immigrant and refugee, the additional cost is pretty small beer.

[herples]

Yes it does. When Henry Ford traded with Nazi Germany, he was supporting the Third Reich.

Anybody claiming to be 'Palestinian' obviously has connection to either Hamas or the PLO...either direct or by tacit support.

Ask Jordan why you don't want too many claiming to be so in your country.

Or maybe the support the people and not Hamas or the PLO. We are not talking about Henry Ford.

[Argus]

I'm glad that at least one of us can read minds.

It doesn't require reading minds. It merely requires observation of politicians and their behaviour over a long period of time.

A lot of Christians wear a cross. I don't see the complaint.

A tiny necklace does not equate to a full headdress which blocks your view of the world around you. And I rarely see just the head scarf. Almost always its accompnied by shapeless, ankle length robes.

Are they? Do all the people wearing the hijab believe that? Are you sure?

Can you tell an Ultra-Orthodox Jew from how he's dressed? Does an ultra-orthodox Jew believe in the Torah? Your question is ridiculous. If they wear the hijab or burka than they are extremely religious. If you're extremely religious you don't ignore central tenets of your religion.

I think, that like many conservatives, you fear change and the other.

Nope. I love change. I fear change for the worst.

What?

You said the bible had bad things to say about homosexuals, just like the Koran. I asked you which western countries make homosexuality illegal, like Muslim countries do.

And all Palestinians are inherently evil, right?

No. All Palestinians, with extremely rare exceptions, are on the side of the Palestinians and not that of the Israelis, and thus are far from unbiased. Why should they not side with the PLO and Hamas and help them against Israel?

[DogOnPorch]

Or maybe the support the people and not Hamas or the PLO. We are not talking about Henry Ford.

You send your money to Gaza...Hamas gets it.

[herples]

You send your money to Gaza...Hamas gets it.

Only if you send it directly to Hamas.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh, please.

[Smallc]

A tiny necklace does not equate to a full headdress which blocks your view of the world around you. And I rarely see just the head scarf. Almost always its accompnied by shapeless, ankle length robes.

They're both religious symbols - and a hijab and or robe is hardly the impediment you're making it out to be.

Can you tell an Ultra-Orthodox Jew from how he's dressed? Does an ultra-orthodox Jew believe in the Torah? Your question is ridiculous. If they wear the hijab or burka than they are extremely religious. If you're extremely religious you don't ignore central tenets of your religion.

That's simply a false equivalency that you've trotted out to try to make it seem like the beliefs are of equal depth. In reality, you have no idea.

No. All Palestinians, with extremely rare exceptions, are on the side of the Palestinians and not that of the Israelis, and thus are far from unbiased. Why should they not side with the PLO and Hamas and help them against Israel?

Most people are generally on their own side. It doesn't make them bad people.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Smallc

[cybercoma]

Denial is the order of the day. I know...you got slammed pretty hard there. Help you up?

Slammed pretty hard by your complete and utter BS that you made up? Like every other discussion forum, the person who claims victory is often delusional. You lied about Malala Yousafzai and I posted the proof. She donated the money to the UN to build schools. You're claiming this is how she supported terrorism. Just wait until you find out that our government "supports terrorism" too by your painfully stupid definition.

[Argus]

They're both religious symbols - and a hijab and or robe is hardly the impediment you're making it out to be.

Yeah? You ever wear one? Every day of your life everywhere you go? Can't go swimming with it. Hot out? Doesn't matter.

Equating putting on a little cross to wearing a hijab everywhere is like equating wearing flats to tottering around in six inch stilettos.

It's way more of an inconvenience. You don't do it on a whim. And no, it's not a religious requirement or they'd all wear em.

That's simply a false equivalency that you've trotted out to try to make it seem like the beliefs are of equal depth. In reality, you have no idea.

Perhaps. I'm not an expert, nor claim to be. But I like to apply logic to such things. If you're going to dress a certain way every day of your life, like a uniform, a uniform that sets you apart from society and makes you stand out and draw sometimes hostile eyes, it's not going to be on a whim. You have to be a true believer to go through that. And if you're a true believer you don't pick and choose from among what your holy book tells you. It says clearly homosexuality is forbidden and they should be executed. It says very clearly women are inferior and that they cannot socialize with men, nor boys with girls. Period. End of story. You can't even find a religious scholar who disagrees on these.

Most people are generally on their own side. It doesn't make them bad people.

No, but it certainly doesn't make them neutral in a war.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Argus

[cybercoma]

Canada is state sponsor of terrorism.

If we donate to UNRWA, yes.

We did until 2008.

I missed this exchange. Sorry for the repeat.

[cybercoma]

A lot of people hear or read the words "UN" and seem to instinctively feel this must be a group of neutral outside foreigners who can be trusted to be unbiased, but in point of fact most of the UN employees of the UNRWA are Palestinians. They don't even make any secret of it.

UNRWA has over 30,000 employees, most of them Palestine refugees and a small number of international staff, in two headquarter offices (Gaza and Amman), five field offices (Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and West Bank), and in four Representative/Liaison Offices (New York, Geneva, Brussels and Cairo).

http://www.unrwa.org/careers/working-unrwa

Yes, and as we all know, Palestinian refugees are all terrorists.

It's like you people aren't even trying anymore.

[cybercoma]

No. All Palestinians, with extremely rare exceptions, are on the side of the Palestinians and not that of the Israelis, and thus are far from unbiased. Why should they not side with the PLO and Hamas and help them against Israel?

And if you're not with Harper, you're with the pedophiles too, right? I'm not sure if you guys are actually being serious with this completely and utterly ridiculous deficit of logic.

[Smallc]

Yeah? You ever wear one? Every day of your life everywhere you go? Can't go swimming with it. Hot out? Doesn't matter.

I'm an atheist - I find it all to be silly garbage. I just don't find Islam to be special silly garbage (though I'm not delusional - Islam has produced more violence even if the religion itself isn't more violent).

No, but it certainly doesn't make them neutral in a war.

A war that isn't ours.

[DogOnPorch]

Slammed pretty hard by your complete and utter BS that you made up? Like every other discussion forum, the person who claims victory is often delusional. You lied about Malala Yousafzai and I posted the proof. She donated the money to the UN to build schools. You're claiming this is how she supported terrorism. Just wait until you find out that our government "supports terrorism" too by your painfully stupid definition.

Hamas uses said schools to store Iranian made missiles.

[Smallc]

Hamas uses said schools to store Iranian made missiles.

All of them?

[DogOnPorch]

All of them?

Are you denying or excusing?

[Argus]

I'm an atheist - I find it all to be silly garbage. I just don't find Islam to be special silly garbage (though I'm not delusional - Islam has produced more violence even if the religion itself isn't more violent).

So fundamentalist Christians who believe homosexual is sinful = fundamentalist Muslims who believe homosexuals must be killed?

It's all just "silly", right?

And btw, have you ever met a Muslim and told them you're an atheist?

Edited September 14, 2016 by Argus

[Guest]

And btw, have you ever met a Muslim and told them you're an atheist?

I have. I still have the book somewhere.

[cybercoma]

So fundamentalist Christians who believe homosexual is sinful = fundamentalist Muslims who believe homosexuals must be killed?

That kind of thing never happens here.

http://www.canada.com/life/Hate+crimes+against+gays+doubled+Canada/3155968/story.html

[Smallc]

So fundamentalist Christians who believe homosexual is sinful = fundamentalist Muslims who believe homosexuals must be killed?

I know enough Christians in just my corner of the world that imply that gays should die to know that you don't really know what you're talking about.

God hates fags, remember?

And btw, have you ever met a Muslim and told them you're an atheist?

It's never come up. It has come up around some Christians. Lets just say I'm going to hell, in politer words.

[dialamah]

And btw, have you ever met a Muslim and told them you're an atheist?

Yes. I'm still alive, they're still my friends.

[WestCoastRunner]

So fundamentalist Christians who believe homosexual is sinful = fundamentalist Muslims who believe homosexuals must be killed?

It's all just "silly", right?

And btw, have you ever met a Muslim and told them you're an atheist?

The LGBT community has an extraordinarily high rate of suicide due to lack of acceptance in Canada. Canada is not perfect when it comes to acceptance. Many deaths of the LGBT community have been reported from Vancouver to Toronto to Montreal.

You can be in denial about our acceptance but ask the LGBT community first before you espouse your opinions. And don't assume that we are any better than the Muslims living in Canada today when it comes to LGBT rights.