Canada’s has announced to China that Canada has no freedom of speech a

[TimG]

So according to you Hitler is also success too that you need to learn from?

Japan expelled the Europeans from Asia and laid the foundation for the independent states today. Japan did something that China could not. Most south east Asian countries understand this which is why they don't waste a lot of political rhetoric attacking Japan for what happened 80 years ago. That statement does not mean Japan was right or that it did not commit many war crimes during its expansion. It just means that Japan accomplished something that China was too weak to do.

That part of land there was belong to China more than 1000 ago.

So what? The point is Tibetans and Uyghars are distinct cultures and the Han Chinese have been trying to exterminate those cultures. This is exactly what the Europeans did in the Americas. The Europeans would insist that they were bringing civilization to the 'savages' just like the Han Chinese do today. But the Natives Americans did not appreciate the effort and neither do the Tibetans. Chinese actions in Tibet have been described as 'cultural genocide'. It makes no difference that a Chinese army showed up 1000 years ago or 70 years ago. The story of Tibet is a story of people who land and culture was stolen by the rapacious Han Chinese.

China is the leader in a world full of countries built by war, conquest and assimilation. China has absolutely no business criticizing Europeans for doing what China has been doing for centuries before the Europeans showed up.

Edited September 12, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

So what? The point is Tibetans and Uyghars are distinct cultures and the Han Chinese have been trying to exterminate those cultures. This is exactly what the Europeans did in the Americas. The Europeans would insist that they were bringing civilization to the 'savages' just like the Han Chinese do today. But the Natives Americans did not appreciate the effort and neither do the Tibetans. Chinese actions in Tibet have been described as 'cultural genocide'. It makes no difference that a Chinese army showed up 1000 years ago or 70 years ago. The story of Tibet is a story of people who land and culture was stolen by the rapacious Han Chinese.

In a world full of countries built by war and conquest China is the leader. China has absolutely no business criticizing Europeans for doing what China has been doing for centuries before the Europeans showed up.

That's why I say a thief can not imaging there are people are not thief exist in the world.

China is never aggressive. The people outside China is aggressive, because they want do robbery from rich china. China send army there is after china found build great war has no use to protect itself. Otherwise, there would be no western nations now.

[TimG]

That's why I say a thief can not imaging there are people are not thief exist in the world.

What exactly is your argument here? We have Tibetans accusing the Chinese of exterminating their culture. Your response is to ignore it completely and throw insults? It makes no sense. Are you simply unable to comprehend that China is trying to exterminate Tibetan culture while it claims to be 'providing prosperity' just like the Europeans did in the Americas? What is your response to the Tibetans who, like Native Americans, feel that they are being overrun by an aggressive foreign power? Tell them to bend over and enjoy because they belong to China and if China wants to exterminate their culture China can exterminate their culture? That has to be most ignorant and arrogant response imaginable.

China is never aggressive.

The Tibetans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Uyghars, would disagree. Any basic student of Chinese history knows that the China that exists today was created by war and conquest. Qin wars of unification were not settled over tea. Mao himself has the blood of tens of millions on his hands. It is appalling that you are so ignorant of the violent history of China.

And as I said: The Han Chinese are trying to exterminate Tibetan culture today. How is that NOT aggressive?

China has said it will invade Taiwan if it declares independence. How is that NOT aggressive?

China has said it will attack Vietnam or Philippines ships if they contest the robbery that China is currently engaged in the South China Sea. How is that NOT aggressive?

Edited September 12, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

What exactly is your argument here? We have Tibetans accusing the Chinese of exterminating their culture. Your response is to ignore it completely and throw insults? It makes no sense. Are you simply unable to comprehend that China is trying to exterminate Tibetan culture while it claims to be 'providing prosperity' just like the Europeans did in the Americas? What is your response to the Tibetans who, like Native Americans, feel that they are being overrun by an aggressive foreign power? Tell them to bend over and enjoy because they belong to China and if China wants to exterminate their culture China can exterminate their culture? That has to be most ignorant and arrogant response imaginable.

The Tibetans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Uyghars, would disagree. Any basic student of Chinese history knows that the China that exists today was created by war and conquest. Qin wars of unification were not settled over tea. Mao himself has the blood of tens of millions on his hands. It is appalling that you are so ignorant of the violent history of China.

And as I said: The Han Chinese are trying to exterminate Tibetan culture today. How is that NOT aggressive?

China has said it will invade Taiwan if it declares independence. How is that NOT aggressive?

China has said it will attack Vietnam or Philippines ships if they contest the robbery that China is currently engaged in the South China Sea. How is that NOT aggressive?

What you can do is just repeating what US said, like an brainless automatic answering machine. how pity you are.

You post off topic content is to avoid the talk about the fact that Canada's human right and freedom speech situation is worse than China.

And you want to follow US to tear China into pieces so that it can become weak so that US can rule the whole world as a dictator, so that 0.01% of the richest people can rob wealth and slave people from all over the world include US itself and Canada.

So that you can ask for some soup from those rich guys.

How pity you are.

China is not aggressive, but China need to protect itself.

If you say you are not aggressive, and when a thug use a knife point on you, you would let him to kill you?

China is in the situation. US is never stop try to tear China into pieces, it create conflicts everywhere.

If peace will come, US will start to worry, it will try to break the peace and make it conflict again.

US has something to worry now:

http://www.stripes.com/news/philippines-reversal-on-troops-patrols-could-upend-us-china-strategy-1.429070

“The Obama administration’s containment strategy against China is falling apart as front-line countries like the Philippines change gear, creating a cascade effect,” Richard Heydarian, a security analyst De La Salle University in Manila, said in a phone interview last week.

It clearly shows south China sea problem is not a Philippines's problem, US want it.

As a thug country, US may do the following things to remove Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte:

1. try use bribe and threat to control Duterte.

2. try to bribe the members of parliaments in Philippines, use them to remove the presidents.

3. pay some money to some local lawyers to sue the president.

4. use google and facebook and twitter to spread rumors in Philippines, create some Philippine spring revolution.

5. try to use the ISIS to kill Duterte.

That is what US want to do.

I guess one of these may happen in future.

US always did those ugly things.

[TimG]

You post off topic content is to avoid the talk about the fact that Canada's human right and freedom speech situation is worse than China.

A laughable claim that has been completely refuted in this thread. You seem to think that if you ignore arguments or change the topic that those arguments will go away. This is delusional thinking. No informed person believes that free speech exists in China.

China is not aggressive, but China need to protect itself.

The fact remains: Tibetans are not happy with the Chinese occupation of their country and what the Chinese are doing in Tibet is no different than what the Europeans did in North America. Your claim that China is not violent or aggressive is completely absurd given the facts available.

try to bribe the members of parliaments in Philippines, use them to remove the presidents.

Why is this any different than what China does in Cambodia, Myanmar or Africa. China is shameless when it comes to using money to buy support for its claims. Why is it wrong if the US does the same?

[bjre]

A laughable claim that has been completely refuted in this thread. You seem to think that if you ignore arguments or change the topic that those arguments will go away. This is delusional thinking. No informed person believes that free speech exists in China.

'The Chinese see us as barbarians; often, you're giving them reason to do that.'

– Alexandre Trudeau, remembering what his father said to him as a child in China

– Canada has lost its voice and become a 'confused follower nation,' says Alexandre Trudeau

– http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/alexandre-trudeau-follower-nation-1.3761033

The fact remains: Tibetans are not happy with the Chinese occupation of their country and what the Chinese are doing in Tibet is no different than what the Europeans did in North America. Your claim that China is not violent or aggressive is completely absurd given the facts available.

The fact is most Tibetans in the world are Chinese, they are living in Tibet as a part of China. Only US wish them unhappy, so that it can create conflict. As an automatic answer machine of US, you certainly have no brain and no your own voice.

Why is this any different than what China does in Cambodia, Myanmar or Africa. China is shameless when it comes to using money to buy support for its claims. Why is it wrong if the US does the same?

You accepted that US actually does not respect democracy elected president and change democracy result with ugly methods? so, obviously your faith to democracy is a lie.

[TimG]

The fact is most Tibetans in the world are Chinese, they are living in Tibet as a part of China.

Well the only way that would be true is if the Chinese exterminated the Tibetan culture. I will take this as an admission that the Chinese believe that cultural genocide is a good thing. Thank you for proving my point that China is acting just like the Europeans did in North America 200 years ago.

I really can't understand how someone can be so disconnected from reality and believe what you believe about China. It one thing to take the attitude that China is a big player and is entitled to do what it wants. It is another thing entirely to be completely blind to China's aggressive and violent tactics which are designed bully others into submission. I guess that is a sign of how effective the Communist party propaganda machine is. It is very sad for people that have no ill will against China and want it to be an equal partner in the international system.

Edited September 16, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

Well the only way that would be true is if the Chinese exterminated the Tibetan culture. I will take this as an admission that the Chinese believe that cultural genocide is a good thing. Thank you for proving my point that China is acting just like the Europeans did in North America 200 years ago.

I really can't understand how someone can be so disconnected from reality and believe what you believe about China. It one thing to take the attitude that China is a big player and is entitled to do what it wants. It is another thing entirely to be completely blind to China's aggressive and violent tactics which are designed bully others into submission. I guess that is a sign of how effective the Communist party propaganda machine is. It is very sad for people that have no ill will against China and want it to be an equal partner in the international system.

All you can prove is your brain has no function of thinking. It is only repeat what has been programmed.

Tibetan language is printed in Chinese money.

Tibetans learn Tibetan languages in school in Tibet.

Tibetan temples are full of Tibetan people who understand the meaning of it.

Tibetan history has been documented for more than 1000 years.

How many Inca temples has native people living inside?

How many Mayan writings can be recognized by native people?

How many aboriginal has no child be sent to residential schools force them not speaking their own language.

This clearly shows how shameless you are to even talk about ''cultural genocide".

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[TimG]

Tibetan language is printed in Chinese money.

Tibetans learn Tibetan languages in school in Tibet.

Tibetan temples are full of Tibetan people who understand the meaning of it.

Tibetan history has been documented for more than 1000 years.

Then they can't be Chinese. You can't claim that Tibetans are Chinese one minute and claim their culture is preserved another. More importantly, it is not your opinion that matters when it come to the question of whether Tibetan culture is being preserved. It is the opinion of the Tibetans that matters. Here is what they say: http://tibet.net/about-tibet/issues-facing-tibet-today/#code0slide1

Chinese occupation of Tibet has seen the Tibetan language surpassed by that of the Chinese. The government is repressing Tibetan culture by making the language redundant in all sectors. Tibets education system, controlled entirely by the Chinese and their Communist ideology, is geared to suit the needs of Chinese immigrants. Tibetan students also suffer from prohibitive and discriminatory fees and inadequate facilities in rural areas.

In monasteries, Chinese government work teams are being sent to forcibly re-educate monks and nuns in their political and religious beliefs. Their methods are similar to those imposed during the Cultural Revolution. The strike hard campaign between 1996 and 1998 saw 492 monks and nuns arrested and 9,997 expelled from their religious institutions.

Zhang Qinglis arrival at the helm in the TAR in May 2006 led to the scope of the patriotic re-education campaign being expanded from the confines of the monasteries and nunneries to encompass the wider population in Tibet, including schools. The main thrust of this campaign is to re-orient the Tibetan peoples religious faith and belief by requiring to pledge their opposition to His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

IOW - the Tibetans are subject to the same treatment that natives experience in residential schools in Canada.

Please don't waste time claiming that these are "lies".

They are the opinion of Tibetans and demonstrate that the only one who is lying is you.

Edited September 16, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

Then they can't be Chinese. You can't claim that Tibetans are Chinese one minute and claim their culture is preserved another. More importantly, it is not your opinion that matters when it come to the question of whether Tibetan culture is being preserved. It is the opinion of the Tibetans that matters. Here is what they say: http://tibet.net/about-tibet/issues-facing-tibet-today/#code0slide1

IOW - the Tibetans are subject to the same treatment that natives experience in residential schools in Canada.

Please don't waste time claiming that these are "lies".

They are the opinion of Tibetans and demonstrate that the only one who is lying is you.

Those Tibetans who created the web-page you cited are not Chinese. They create that web page for US, and US pay them, US need them to create conflict so that US can profit from. They are not happy because they are not Chinese so that they can not get the welfare the 600 million Chinese Tibetan can get.

Those several individual people who escape out of Tibet were cheated by the US payed Tibetan outside China, just like I was cheated to Canada by immigrant agency. The difference is they are famous so that it is hard for them to change what they already said. I am nobody. I can tell truth whenever I understand it.

And you intentionally try to make conflict according to what you have been programmed with US brainwash materials.

[TimG]

Those Tibetans who created the web-page you cited are not Chinese.

You mean they have not been assimilated.

I guess that means you are now agreeing that destroying Tibetan culture is the point of Chinese policies in Tibet.

More importantly, we can't know what Tibetans in China think because the Chinese government won't let them speak. Therefore, anything you say has to be presumed to be nonsense. If what you say is true the the Chinese government should stop repressing speech and let dissenters say what they will. If they Tibetans are really happy being assimilated by the Chinese then the dissenters will get no where. But you know, but will not admit, that the reason the Chinese government suppresses dissent is because it knows that a large number of Tibetans in China are not happy with Chinese rule.

Edited September 16, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

You mean they have not been assimilated.

I guess that means you are now agreeing that destroying Tibetan culture is the point of Chinese policies in Tibet.

More importantly, we can't know what Tibetans in China think because the Chinese government won't let them speak. Therefore, anything you say has to be presumed to be nonsense. If what you say is true the the Chinese government should stop repressing speech and let dissenters say what they will. If they Tibetans are really happy being assimilated by the Chinese then the dissenters will get no where. But you know, but will not admit, that the reason the Chinese government suppresses dissent is because it knows that a large number of Tibetans in China are not happy with Chinese rule.

It is normal there are people not satisfied, How many Canadians satisfied with the government here?

But that can not change the fact that Tibetan culture has been preserved very well in China that Canada should be shame about what Canada did.

Tibetan in China live a better than Tibetan live in India.

Most Tibetan lives in China. Western Journalists have chance to hear their voice.

However, Western nations have no freedom of speech. They are not allowed to talk about positive opinions about China. They are just like you, you have no freedom of speech, you can not talk about positive side of China even when you realized it. That's why we can not heard of the voice of most Tibetan. The problem is because there is no freedom of speech in Canada.

[TimG]

But that can not change the fact that Tibetan culture has been preserved very well in China that Canada should be shame about what Canada did.

Again, without free speech your words cannot be believed. They are just propaganda that you want to believe. Free speech is the only way to be sure the truth gets out. We have free speech in Canada which is why we all know how the natives felt about residential schools. Sometimes the complaints are unreasonable but we get a chance to hear that view and understand different perspectives.

In China people don't get to hear that because the government won't let them.

I am very certain that if the Chinese government allowed people to speak the stories coming from Tibetans would be no different than the stories we hear from natives in Canada today.

You in denial if you think all is good in Tibet as far as the Tibetans are concerned.

Edited September 16, 2016 by TimG

[bjre]

Again, without free speech your words cannot be believed. They are just propaganda that you want to believe. Free speech is the only way to be sure the truth gets out. We have free speech in Canada which is why we all know how the natives felt about residential schools. Sometimes the complaints are unreasonable but we get a chance to hear that view and understand different perspectives.

In China people don't get to hear that because the government won't let them.

I am very certain that if the Chinese government allowed people to speak the stories coming from Tibetans would be no different than the stories we hear from natives in Canada today.

You in denial if you think all is good in Tibet as far as the Tibetans are concerned.

It is you that keep ignore truth and insist only lies.

By review the thread, it is easy to find that all truths in this thread that not support your goal have been ignored by you.

That clearly shows that you just intentionally tell lies.

It is Canada has no freedom of speech.

It is in Canada that journalist will have to resign if he/she tell his/her belief that is different with political correctness on newspaper:

An employee with the Globe and Mail since 1988, in September 2006, Ms. Wong penned “Get Under the Desk,” a highly controversial column that linked Montreal’s Dawson College shooting to Quebec identity politics.

The column prompted immediate condemnation from across the Canadian political spectrum, including a letter from Prime Minister Stephen Harper saying it was “completely prejudiced to lay blame on Quebec society in this manner.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/jan-wong-ordered-to-pay-back-209k-to-the-globe-for-disclosing-firing-settlement-details

It is in Canada that politician will have to resign if he/she tell his/her belief that is different with political correctness:

“So today we remember the tragedy of 911. Today we will talk about who did it and why. Today most people will continue to believe the lie, and again, THEY continue to win. Thank God I know the truth! LOVE is the answer!!!” read the post. She wrote a similar post in 2010.

Maria Manna resigns as Liberal candidate after questioning 9-11 - See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/maria-manna-resigns-as-liberal-candidate-after-questioning-9-11-1.2069801

It is in Canada that pastor will have to face court conviction if he/she tell his/her belief that is different with political correctness:

21 Sep 2009 Stephen Boissoin In Court Today Challenging “Hate Speech” Conviction

Stephen BoissionBy Thaddeus M. Baklinski

CALGARY, September 16, 2009 (LifeSIteNews.com) – Last year Alberta pastor Stephen Boissoin was ordered by the Alberta Human Rights Commission to desist from expressing his views on homosexuality in any sort of public forum, and to pay complainant and homosexual activist Dr. Darren Lund $7,000 in damages. Today, however, he is in Alberta Court of the Queen’s Bench, appealing the conviction of hate speech that resulted in the above penalties. That conviction was based upon a letter to the editor in the Red Deer Advocate, in which Boissoin expressed his opinion that homosexuality is immoral and dangerous, and called into question new gay-rights curricula permeating the province’s educational system.

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2009/09/21/rev-stephen-boissoin-in-court-today-challenging-qhate-speechq-conviction/

It is in Canada that positive news of China can hardly see when China keep 30 years of high speed development.