Canadian Immigration

[Argus]

14 hours ago, dre said:

First of all your assumption is complete bullshit. That cab driver makes 30-55 thousand dollars. The average in BC is $40,106. He pays $1811.98 in CPP, he pays $754 into EI, he pays $1455.49 in provincial tax, and $3760.12 in federal tax.

CPP is no use to anyone else. He's paying for his own pension. Same for EI. As for what small amount of taxes he might pay, which probably disregards the deductions he gets for kids, he then gets back ten thousand through child care benefits. End result, he pays nothing. He is a net drain to the tax base. I don't know why you always insist on stomping around like an angry child waving your arms wildly in the air to try and make a point that anyone who understands our tax system knows is drivel.

14 hours ago, dre said:

He saves almost nothing and spends that entire $32324.66 into the economy.

It came FROM the economy. So it is no addition.

14 hours ago, dre said:

He most likely pays a few thousand dollars in consumption taxes as well.

GST refund. And he certainly gets his gas taxes paid as a business expense.

14 hours ago, dre said:

The companies that he buys things from pay taxes on the profit generated, and the fact he increases the demand for goods and services means more workers are hired.

And yet there are tens of thousands unemployed who could be doing that work if we simply made EI more sensible.

14 hours ago, dre said:

Furthermore he increases demand for housing by one unit. This causes about $300 000 of new money

Ugh. More of your magic money argument. Not buying it.

 

 

[dre]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

CPP is no use to anyone else. He's paying for his own pension. Same for EI. As for what small amount of taxes he might pay, which probably disregards the deductions he gets for kids, he then gets back ten thousand through child care benefits. End result, he pays nothing. He is a net drain to the tax base. I don't know why you always insist on stomping around like an angry child waving your arms wildly in the air to try and make a point that anyone who understands our tax system knows is drivel.

I didnt stomp around like an angry child, I calmly and rationally threw your bullshit back in your face. This is your pet issue not mine, I barely care about it. You claimed your imaginary cab driver pays no taxes... That's completely false, and Im sure your avid readers noticed you did not even try to defend the claim in your reply.

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that anyone who understands our tax system knows is drivel.

Cool story bro, but you don't know the first thing about our tax system OR our economy, and every post your write drives it home. The fact that you keep trying to judge peoples total economic contribution based on tax receipts and government expenditures alone is astonishing. You need to look at a persons balance of trade. Do they produce, or cause to be produced, more than their total consumption. You could pay nothing in taxes at all, and still be a net contributor.

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It came FROM the economy. So it is no addition.

You don't even know what an economy is, and that statement makes it crystal clear. The entire economy is derived from people selling goods and services and labor, and buying goods and services and labor from others with the proceeds.

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And yet there are tens of thousands unemployed who could be doing that work if we simply made EI more sensible.

We are near what economists consider full employment.  You are ALWAYS going to have tens of thousands of unemployed people. 

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Ugh. More of your magic money argument. Not buying it.

If you deny that our money is created through bank loans, then you dont even have a vague idea what money is, and should really stay out of topics about economics. 97% of our money supply was created in this way... through loans just like the one I described where a developer finances a new housing development.

Here's a basic primer for you... Ya gotta start somewhere I guess, and you have to pretty much start from scratch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation

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However, in most countries today, most of the money supply is in the form of bank deposits, which is created by private banks in a fractional reserve banking system. Bank lending increases the amount of broad money beyond the amount of base money originally created by the central bank.

 

[taxme]

On 5/9/2017 at 4:36 PM, Omni said:

Immigration is what has stopped our population from declining even more. That seems to be at least one fact you ignore.

There are just as many babies born in Canada every year as there are deaths in every year. Canada does not need over 300,000 new immigrants every year as an excuse to flood this country with more people that are not needed or required. It is greed on the part of corporations who want cheap labor, and want to bring in low skilled workers who will work for nothing, and most likely less benefits. This nonsense that Canada needs more new immigrants is just a pile of bull. That is a fact that seem to ignore. 

[Omni]

31 minutes ago, taxme said:

There are just as many babies born in Canada every year as there are deaths in every year

There are actually more babies born than there are deaths currently in Canada. However, you need to dig a little deeper. There are more people over 65 than there are under 18. Guess what that means. Less people working and more people looking for OAP CPP. Someone has to pay for it. Guess who?  

[Goh Shenas]

The immigration process must be vetted. Preferably fewer immigrants from muslim countries and more jews must be welcomed to Canada.

Edited May 17, 2017 by Goh Shenas

[Rue]

50 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said:

The immigration process must be vetted. Preferably fewer immigrants from muslim countries and more jews must be welcomed to Canada.

You back to bait? Here I am.

" bad skin complexion, tiny dill pickle, premature baldness, bad teeth, well they do make it hard to get a date  "

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Edited May 17, 2017 by Rue

[OftenWrong]

34 minutes ago, Rue said:

You back to bait? Here I am.

" bad skin complexion, tiny dill pickle, premature baldness, bad teeth, well they do make it hard to get a date  "

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Most of these problems can be solved by proper hygiene. Bathing, changing underwear etc.

[Argus]

12 hours ago, dre said:

I didnt stomp around like an angry child, I calmly and rationally threw your bullshit back in your face.

Aand you're still doing it.

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This is your pet issue not mine, I barely care about it.

But when you do like on this web site, you snarl and rage more than anyone else who discusses the topic. Uh huh.

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You claimed your imaginary cab driver pays no taxes... That's completely false, and Im sure your avid readers noticed you did not even try to defend the claim in your reply.

I let you arbitrarily raise the income level to $50k, which threw it into a different level than my initial claim. 

In any event, my point has never been about taxi drivers, but of low income earning immigrants. My point has always been that if we are to have immigrants I want them to be immigrants who pay their way, not immigrants who are a net drain on taxes. We have that choice, but social justice warriors like you can't stand the thought of us being unkind to third world farmers.

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Cool story bro, but you don't know the first thing about our tax system OR our economy, and every post your write drives it home.

And you pay no taxes and couldn't care less how high they go. Every post YOU make drives that home.

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The fact that you keep trying to judge peoples total economic contribution based on tax receipts and government expenditures alone is astonishing. You need to look at a persons balance of trade. Do they produce, or cause to be produced, more than their total consumption. You could pay nothing in taxes at all, and still be a net contributor.

Not to me. If I'm paying for your health care and your share of all other government services what exactly is your presence doing for me in return?

 

Edited May 17, 2017 by Argus

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Omni said:

There are actually more babies born than there are deaths currently in Canada. However, you need to dig a little deeper. There are more people over 65 than there are under 18. Guess what that means. Less people working and more people looking for OAP CPP. Someone has to pay for it. Guess who?  

Not immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Maybe we should instead encourage people to have babies here.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Not immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Maybe we should instead encourage people to have babies here.

And that encouragement will in all likelihood cost taxpayer dollars. Whereas, immigrants who come here to work provide taxpayer dollars. It seems you prefer red ink as long as we keep white skin. 

[Goh Shenas]

8 hours ago, Rue said:

You back to bait? Here I am.

" bad skin complexion, tiny dill pickle, premature baldness, bad teeth, well they do make it hard to get a date  "

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I don't want to see muslim terrorists coming to Canada. You got a problem with that?

Knock yourself and move to one of those countries.

[Goh Shenas]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Most of these problems can be solved by proper hygiene. Bathing, changing underwear etc.

Agreed.

[Argus]

56 minutes ago, Omni said:

And that encouragement will in all likelihood cost taxpayer dollars. Whereas, immigrants who come here to work provide taxpayer dollars. It seems you prefer red ink as long as we keep white skin. 

I think our fundamental difference is based on the fact I'm a taxpayer and you've probably never earned enough to pay more than you get in your multiple times on unemployment. You don't care how much immigration costs because hey, it's not any skin off your welfare sucking nose.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

I think our fundamental difference is based on the fact I'm a taxpayer and you've probably never earned enough to pay more than you get in your multiple times on unemployment. You don't care how much immigration costs because hey, it's not any skin off your welfare sucking nose.

You collect unemployment do ya? I've heard of it.Tell me how you go about that. 

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

You collect unemployment do ya? I've heard of it.Tell me how you go about that. 

Wow. What a lame response. In fact, everything you write is brainless and lame. It was lame when you were On Guard For Thee, before you got banned, and it's still lame. So I think that I'm long past done reading any of it.

bye.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Wow. What a lame response. In fact, everything you write is brainless and lame. It was lame when you were On Guard For Thee, before you got banned, and it's still lame. So I think that I'm long past done reading any of it.

bye.

It seems you get rather testy when your ideas get challenged, continuously. 

[taxme]

13 hours ago, Omni said:

There are actually more babies born than there are deaths currently in Canada. However, you need to dig a little deeper. There are more people over 65 than there are under 18. Guess what that means. Less people working and more people looking for OAP CPP. Someone has to pay for it. Guess who?  

There are more people on OAP, CPP and OAS because we have a larger population of older people. Guess what that means? It means more payments to be doled out to more older people on pensions. The huge numbers of new immigrants in the last several decades has added to this list of retired pensioners. No doubt many receiving pensions after only living here for three years or whatever it takes to become a Canadian citizen these days. All this family reunion nonsense is what is probably contributing to the amount of pensions being handed out. People who do not deserve a cent of taxpayer's tax dollars. If we want to stop paying for all those immigrants on pension well then just stop bringing them in by the hundreds of thousands every year. Someone has to pay for all those people. Immigration is the problem, not the solution. 

I am digging deeper, and it is costing me way more in tax dollars being blown than what needs to be blown. Of course, if you don't look at it from the conservative point of view than you will never see or find it. Conservatives know how to save tax dollars. Liberals only know how to blow tax dollars.  

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Omni said:

It seems you get rather testy when your ideas get challenged, continuously. 

Talk about people who get testy when they are challenged. One guess is all you get.  

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Omni said:

And that encouragement will in all likelihood cost taxpayer dollars. Whereas, immigrants who come here to work provide taxpayer dollars. It seems you prefer red ink as long as we keep white skin. 

The more immigrants Canada takes in the more toll there will be on the environment, infrastructure, medical and social services. More people means more housing, stores and the building of more roads. The less than all those things will not be needed. Canada can survive with a lot smaller population than what it is getting today. Canada did fine in the past when the population was a way lot smaller than what it is today. This nonsense about Canada needing more immigrants is just a pile of rubbish. And thanks to your pro-immigration stance on bringing in more third world immigrants is the reason why the white skin Canadians are fast becoming a minority in their own country. Liberals always give me the shakes and the willies. They are an emotional bunch of foolish talking losers.  But hey. 

[Omni]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The more immigrants Canada takes in the more toll there will be on the environment, infrastructure, medical and social services. More people means more housing, stores and the building of more roads. The less than all those things will not be needed. Canada can survive with a lot smaller population than what it is getting today. Canada did fine in the past when the population was a way lot smaller than what it is today. This nonsense about Canada needing more immigrants is just a pile of rubbish. And thanks to your pro-immigration stance on bringing in more third world immigrants is the reason why the white skin Canadians are fast becoming a minority in their own country. Liberals always give me the shakes and the willies. They are an emotional bunch of foolish talking losers.  But hey. 

Canada did fine because a lot of immigrants came here and settled, farmed, created an agricultural system, made money and then sent their kids to school. Your backward type of thinking would have us still in the throes of struggling in poverty. 

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Omni said:

Canada did fine because a lot of immigrants came here and settled, farmed, created an agricultural system, made money and then sent their kids to school. Your backward type of thinking would have us still in the throes of struggling in poverty. 

Immigrants that have been coming here for the past decades were never needed or wanted here. It is the far leftist liberal extremists like yourself who wanted and keeps bringing them here, and forcing Canadians to have to accept their incompatible culture today. Most have and are coming to Canada to take advantage of our free social and medicare services. We have our own Canadians in need of assistance but yet you seem to feel that Canada needs more leeches here. Backwards best describes you extremist. 

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Immigrants that have been coming here for the past decades were never needed or wanted here. It is the far leftist liberal extremists like yourself who wanted and keeps bringing them here, and forcing Canadians to have to accept their incompatible culture today. Most have and are coming to Canada to take advantage of our free social and medicare services. We have our own Canadians in need of assistance but yet you seem to feel that Canada needs more leeches here. Backwards best describes you extremist. 

Obviously you don't know much about the country in which you live. It was built by immigrants and also native people. Study a little history might be a good idea for you. Perhaps people might take you seriously after.  

[dre]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

Aand you're still doing it.

But when you do like on this web site, you snarl and rage more than anyone else who discusses the topic. Uh huh.

I let you arbitrarily raise the income level to $50k, which threw it into a different level than my initial claim. 

In any event, my point has never been about taxi drivers, but of low income earning immigrants. My point has always been that if we are to have immigrants I want them to be immigrants who pay their way, not immigrants who are a net drain on taxes. We have that choice, but social justice warriors like you can't stand the thought of us being unkind to third world farmers.

And you pay no taxes and couldn't care less how high they go. Every post YOU make drives that home.

Not to me. If I'm paying for your health care and your share of all other government services what exactly is your presence doing for me in return?

 

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Aand you're still doing it.

Show me where? (get ready for crickets).

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ut when you do like on this web site, you snarl and rage more than anyone else who discusses the topic. Uh huh.

Show me where I post anything emotion at all (get ready for crickets).

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I let you arbitrarily raise the income level to $50k, which threw it into a different level than my initial claim. 

Do you read well? I gave you numbers based on $40k which is the AVERAGE for a cab driver in my province.

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In any event, my point has never been about taxi drivers,

Well yeah... That is exactly the point you tried to make. I quoted it. People read it. You try to make stuff up, and then end up having to try to divorce yourself from your own statements.

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Not to me. If I'm paying for your health care and your share of all other government services what exactly is your presence doing for me in return?

That depends on the individual. Do you own a home or realestate? If you do then the value of those investments is driven by new demand for housing, much of which comes from new immigrants. Within a few years immigrants will account for 100% of our population growth. Go and look at realestate values in a town with a contracting population VS a town with a growing population. Report back to me.

Do you have investments in stocks? Because the value of stocks is based on predicted future demand for the products and services they sell, and much of the new demand for products and services come from new Canadians.

BTW your latest made up fact, was the claim that our cab driver receives "10's of thousands of dollars" in government assistance (day care and such). Got a source for THAT bullshit? I think we both know you don't and so does everyone else reading.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

the white skin Canadians are fast becoming a minority in their own country. . 

Doesn't take much to summarize your agenda. The thing is you can't even admit its not white skins you defend. Yah tell this Jew you are concerned about my white skin.

Pathetic.

[Rue]

15 hours ago, Goh Shenas said:

Agreed.

 

15 hours ago, Goh Shenas said:

I don't want to see muslim terrorists coming to Canada. You got a problem with that?

Knock yourself and move to one of those countries.

The words you stated were and  quote: " Preferably fewer immigrants from muslim countries and more jews must be welcomed to Canada."

Now you want to pretend your concern is Muslim terrorism?

I lived in one of those countries and witnessed Muslim terrorism first hand and it doesn't make me hate Muslims.

"The boy ain' too bright- h keeps trying to deny the smell hoping no one notices the stain.."

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"so this dude in front of me in line was screamin all kinds of things  so  I patted him on his shoulder and asked-"say boy what gives-you got per -pants on  too tight or what?- well he turns around, notices the yamaka on my head,  shrieks  in horror and ran-the Muslim standing behind me says, don't worry ....must be some misunderstanding , you aint ain that much of a big shot.."

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Edited May 18, 2017 by Rue