jbg Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Posted August 25, 2016 No, sorry. Before the Mufti there was the Ottoman Empire. There was the 1858 Land Code which allowed the purchase of land from the Sultan. Something the Zionist Movement took full advantage of.Right, before Israel there was the Ottoman Empire .. That's the heart of the Zionist's argument and one I make; that the area was never under local Arab control. The Jewish influx started under the Ottomans. Other parts of the Ottoman Empire did move over to local Arab control such as the KSA, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and other countries. If the Europeans then switched those countries over to Jewish or European control the argument would be stronger and more principled. As structured now, the argument seems more anti-Jewish. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Posted August 25, 2016 No I don't lump you in with Rue, that would be unfair to you. But I know I won't have that reciprocated from certain members. I try very hard to make unfailing courtesy my standard in dealing, both in the real world and the e-world. Jut ten minutes ago the other side of a legal matter failed to electronically file a set of documents on which I gave them original signatures at the end of June. I nicely called the office and when I was told that the attorney and paralegal was busy on other matters, I left a message that I expected to hear back from someone shortly or my next call was to the Grievance Committee. I did receive a call from the attorney and I told her in a nice way that her office's slipshod handling of papers put her license, as a professional, in jeopardy., While the secretaries involved could just waltz off to another job, she faced damage or loss to a valuable professional license. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 DoP, so what's your point? While being critical of Israel isn't always antisemitic, supporting the Palestinian Cause most certainly is. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 That's the heart of the Zionist's argument and one I make; that the area was never under local Arab control. The Jewish influx started under the Ottomans. Other parts of the Ottoman Empire did move over to local Arab control such as the KSA, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and other countries. If the Europeans then switched those countries over to Jewish or European control the argument would be stronger and more principled. As structured now, the argument seems more anti-Jewish. It's not even an argument. It's the way it happened. The whole meme that post-Holocaust, Jews rushed to the Mandate and stole people's land is an outright lie. The Zionists bought their land at cut-throat prices. Most of which was declared 'Mewat' by the Sultan...unusable land. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Rue, you have a real issue of lumping the critics in with the true Jew-haters on this forum. That much I can put bank on. You again repeat the same accusation with zero proof. Edited August 25, 2016 by Rue
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) That's the heart of the Zionist's argument and one I make; that the area was never under local Arab control. The Jewish influx started under the Ottomans. Other parts of the Ottoman Empire did move over to local Arab control such as the KSA, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and other countries. If the Europeans then switched those countries over to Jewish or European control the argument would be stronger and more principled. As structured now, the argument seems more anti-Jewish. I fail to see how being third or fourth in line somehow makes the receipt of stolen land legitimate. The counter-argument is legally and morally baseless. This can only be settled through a comprehensive truth and reconciliation process followed by a binding agreement. Edited August 25, 2016 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 While being critical of Israel isn't always antisemitic, supporting the Palestinian Cause most certainly is. 100% Bullshit. You again repeat the same accusation with zero proof. Each time I do, it is ignored. Go away.
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 I fail to see how being third or fourth in line somehow makes the receipt of stolen land legitimate. The counter-argument is legally and morally baseless. This can only be settled through a comprehensive truth and reconciliation process followed by a binding agreement. The Sultan owned the land. Not individuals...until 1858. Then individuals could buy land. No Jews stood in the way of Arabs buying land. 100% Bullshit. Each time I do, it is ignored. Go away. No: the Palestinian Cause is anti-Semitic...so supporting it makes one also anti-Semitic. Be aware that the Palestinian Cause = The PLO/PA and Hamas. Both avowed antisemitic groups. That is: they have no problem with their antisemitism. They're comfortable with the badge. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 The Sultan owned the land. Not individuals...until 1858. Then individuals could buy land. No Jews stood in the way of Arabs buying land. Go tell it to the T&R commission. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 No: the Palestinian Cause is anti-Semitic...so supporting it makes one also anti-Semitic. Be aware that the Palestinian Cause = The PLO/PA and Hamas. Both avowed antisemitic groups. That is: they have no problem with their antisemitism. They're comfortable with the badge. When will Israel recognize Palestine's right to exist as a nation?
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 Go tell it to the T&R commission. The Ottoman Empire isn't Canada...plus you really don't want to go down the First Nations route as it is ancient Jewish pottery being unearthed in the region. When will Israel recognize Palestine's right to exist as a nation? When will you recognize Hamas and the PLO as a nation? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 The Ottoman Empire isn't Canada...plus you really don't want to go down the First Nations route as it is ancient Jewish pottery being unearthed in the region. I doubt this unearthing will carry much weight unless its occurring under the eye of an impartial T&R excavation team. It would be too much like allowing the defence to get the first crack at examining a crime scene. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 The Ottoman Empire isn't Canada...plus you really don't want to go down the First Nations route as it is ancient Jewish pottery being unearthed in the region. And its the fact that Israel went down the apartheid route that will lead it towards T&R. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 And its the fact that Israel went down the apartheid route that will lead it towards T&R. There is no Apartheid in Israel. Why lie? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 I doubt this unearthing will carry much weight unless its occurring under the eye of an impartial T&R excavation team. It would be too much like allowing the defence to get the first crack at examining a crime scene. The Arabs arrived in the region (invasion) starting in the 7th century AD. That's AD...not BC. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) When will you recognize Hamas and the PLO as a nation? No need, they are political (or terror groups) whatever you want to call them groups, they are not nations. WHY would you even propose that? Zionism was the political movement, Israel was the result. Hamas is a political movement , Palestine is the result. Edited August 25, 2016 by GostHacked
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 The Arabs arrived in the region (invasion) starting in the 7th century AD. That's AD...not BC. I'm sure the T&R commission will factor that in if it deems it appropriate. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) No need, they are political (or terror groups) whatever you want to call them groups, they are not nations. WHY would you even propose that? Zionism was the political movement, Israel was the result. Hamas is a political movement , Palestine is the result. The Palestinian Cause is the PLO and Hamas. Without them to rival the Hashemites in Jordan re: control of Al-Aqsa, they might as well go back to being Jordanians and Egyptians...like they were before. I'm sure the T&R commission will factor that in if it deems it appropriate. You've stopped making sense a few posts back. I'm part Native as you're probably aware by now. T&R is for victims. Edited August 25, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 Heh...and don't worry, Scotsmen. I'm not native enough re: the natives and not white enough for the white man...go figure. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 I'm part Native as you're probably aware by now. I could care less if you're Martian. T&R is for victims. It's also for perpetrators. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 I could care less if you're Martian. It's also for perpetrators. Sure you do or you wouldn't bring-up T&R like it applies to Israel. It does not. The Palestinians whom you champion made the mistake of not only following a Nazi, but also following an international terrorist. There are consequences for losing wars you start. There is no reason the Palestinian Arabs should be given a pass and a do-over for losing a war they started. Germany sure didn't. As history shows. Israel keeps to treaties made with former enemies. Ask yourself why these Palestinian Arabs don't make peace? They've had plenty of chances. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 Sure you do or you wouldn't bring-up T&R like it applies to Israel. It does not. I'm bringing it up because it applies to human beings. The Palestinians whom you champion made the mistake of not only following a Nazi, but also following an international terrorist. There are consequences for losing wars you start. There is no reason the Palestinian Arabs should be given a pass and a do-over for losing a war they started. Germany sure didn't. As history shows. Israel keeps to treaties made with former enemies. Ask yourself why these Palestinian Arabs don't make peace? They've had plenty of chances. Yes well, I'm sure you'll have a chance to take this up with you know who. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herples Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 No, sorry. Before the Mufti there was the Ottoman Empire. There was the 1858 Land Code which allowed the purchase of land from the Sultan. Something the Zionist Movement took full advantage of. Palestinian nationalism occurred before the Mufti came to power during the end of the Ottoman empire.
DogOnPorch Posted August 25, 2016 Report Posted August 25, 2016 I'm bringing it up because it applies to human beings. Yes well, I'm sure you'll have a chance to take this up with you know who. I accept your surrender. Palestinian nationalism occurred before the Mufti came to power during the end of the Ottoman empire. Nope. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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