Big Guy Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 They don't want their child to be a Canadian citizen, they want them to have a spare citizenship that they can exercise at their convenience. You give out your citizenship for the price of a plane ticket and a hotel room. I do not give out my citizenship to anybody. It is not mine to give or not to give. I do not feel my citizenship is endangered or degraded in any way when when someone follows existing guidelines and is granted citizenship. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Wilber Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I do not give out my citizenship to anybody. It is not mine to give or not to give. I do not feel my citizenship is endangered or degraded in any way when when someone follows existing guidelines and is granted citizenship. Well, in this instance I disagree. I think Canadian citizenship is worth more than the price of a four week vacation. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I guess it's only when you evolve into an Earthling that you realize just how picayune all this citizenship stuff sounds, especially in a global economy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 Who knows, So the basis of argument for change is weak, then. Quote
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 Do you put such little value on your citizenship that you are willing to give it to anyone who would come here on a vacation just to get their child a Canadian passport? Don't you think that is an insult to real immigrants who come here and go through all the requirements we demand of them to become citizens? You could have just said that you didn't know. Quote
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 it's just cheating the system that needs to be rectified. We don't need all the hyperbole and rhetoric to determine it's a problem. In fact, hyperbole and rhetoric distract from the actual issue. I don't see how it can be considered cheating when it's there in black and white. Quote
Wilber Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I guess it's only when you evolve into an Earthling that you realize just how picayune all this citizenship stuff sounds, especially in a global economy. So, do you think anyone who can get across the border to a poling booth should be allowed to vote in Canadian elections or should we just let them do it online from anywhere? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I don't see how it can be considered cheating when it's there in black and white. It's not cheating, it's using a loophole that shouldn't be there. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 Is this really such a problem that we need to change long standing legal reality? We change legal reality a dozen times a year. The Liberals have already proposed changes to the Citizenship Act. Why do you find the idea of such a change such a monumental thing, and who, exactly is it going to harm? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) I do not give out my citizenship to anybody. It is not mine to give or not to give. I do not feel my citizenship is endangered or degraded in any way when when someone follows existing guidelines and is granted citizenship. Those of us with standards have a different opinion. Especially those who pay taxes. Edited August 8, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 It doesn't confuse me at all, Argus. It seems to confuse you though. Is not this 'Birth House' issue that children born here are granted Canadian citizenship no matter what thier parents citizenship is? It doesn't confuse me at all that being born of Canadian citizens in Germany that Germany did not grant you German citizenship. The existing law is a relic from another time, a time when it took weeks if not months to get here. It's high time we modernize it in recognition that people can hop on a plane and be here a few hours later, then leave again. If a visitor has a baby in your house are you responsible for that child's upkeep for the next eighteen years? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) So the basis of argument for change is weak, then. What was the basis of argument to change the Citizenship Act so that people who want to get a passport don't have to state that they intend to live here any more? I mean, you guys in the Liberal party apparently feel there's no reason why people who want to become 'Canadians' should want to live here, so you're changing the rules. Why is that? What is the point of immigration if the immigrants don't even intend to live here? Or was someone paid off by immigration consultants working for rich people who want to buy passports? Edited August 8, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Peter F Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 If a visitor has a baby in your house are you responsible for that child's upkeep for the next eighteen years? The tourists are abandoning their newborns here? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 We change legal reality a dozen times a year. The Liberals have already proposed changes to the Citizenship Act. Why do you find the idea of such a change such a monumental thing, and who, exactly is it going to harm? I see it as a waste of time if it isn't a problem. Show me the money. Quote
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 It's not cheating, it's using a loophole that shouldn't be there. I don't necessarily disagree. On the other hand, no one has shown me that it's much of a problem. Quote
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 What was the basis of argument to change the Citizenship Act so that people who want to get a passport don't have to state that they intend to live here any more? To restore it to the way it previously was. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I don't necessarily disagree. On the other hand, no one has shown me that it's much of a problem. Call it a loophole instead of cheating then. Quote
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I see it as a waste of time if it isn't a problem. Show me the money. NOW you're talking like a true Liberal. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 To restore it to the way it previously was. That's a non-answer. The only reason to change the law is because someone in the Liberal Party is doing favours for immigration consultants, probably because they were paid to do so. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 That's a non-answer. The only reason to change the law is because someone in the Liberal Party is doing favours for immigration consultants, probably because they were paid to do so. The law was changed in a way that the Liberals disagreed with. Canadians have always come from everywhere and have always lived at home and abroad. Quote
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 Call it a loophole instead of cheating then. And I'm not convinced it's a large problem. I don't really see it as a concern if it exists or not. Quote
Wilber Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 I don't necessarily disagree. On the other hand, no one has shown me that it's much of a problem. How could it be yet? They are just infants. They may come back as 50 year old mobsters on the run and we will have to let them in. Who knows, anything is possible. The question should be, why are we doing it? What could possibly be in it for Canada that we can't do with regular immigration? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 The law was changed in a way that the Liberals disagreed with. Canadians have always come from everywhere and have always lived at home and abroad. That's another non-answer. Why was the law changed so that people who wanted Canadian passports no longer had to state they intended to live in Canada? What was the inspiration for this change? Why did you think it was so important to do given such a change is clearly not in Canada's interests? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 The law was changed in a way that the Liberals disagreed with. Canadians have always come from everywhere and have always lived at home and abroad. Still can. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 How could it be yet? They are just infants. They may come back as 50 year old mobsters on the run and we will have to let them in. Who knows, anything is possible. Anything including hyperbolic nonsense. Maybe they'll be the next Hitler? Air travel isn't new. Quote
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