Canada surrenders to Mexico

[Argus]

the provided quote from the document speaks volumes... one of the influences contributing to an increase in "questionable" asylum claims is/was said to be the years-long waiting lists for regular processing. Not only did Harper's under the cover of omnibus changes not improve processing backlog, it increased it... notwithstanding the level of promised additional personnel hiring to assist in processing the backlog never materialized.

The phony asylum claims from Mexico made up 92% of Mexican asylum claims, which made up 25% of ALL asylum claims. That was not the case for any other nation, so is it your contention that this alleged increase in processing caused Mexicans and only Mexicans to flood us with fake asylum claims?

[waldo]

The phony asylum claims from Mexico made up 92% of Mexican asylum claims, which made up 25% of ALL asylum claims. That was not the case for any other nation, so is it your contention that this alleged increase in processing caused Mexicans and only Mexicans to flood us with fake asylum claims?

I wasn't able to find particulars (by stat/number/circumstance) of that "phony" grouping, particularly the nature of defined "phony and circumstances" therein. Now I do recognize that parts of Mexico are rife with political/military/police corruption given the influence of drug cartels... notwithstanding the influence of drug cartels directly on the Mexican populace itself. I trust the declared "phony asylum" grouping circumstances would properly factor all considerations - yes? Thanks in advance for any further information you can provide that speaks above and beyond your very broad numbers.

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[Machjo]

Is there such thing as Canadian culture, not since trudeau sr took over.

We have never even had a common language, let alone a common culture.

The Indian Act, the Gradual Civilisation Act, the Chinese Exclusion Act, the residential school system, abrogating the rights if German Canadians to send their children to school after WWI, official bilingualism, etc. all aimed or aim to reduce Canada's cultures to two. I'm thankful that all attempts have failed so far, yet they keep trying.

[-TSS-]

If Mexicans are granted asylum on grounds of Mexico being a poor and dangerous country then all Central-American countries should be given the same treatment.

[Argus]

I just found out, though it received little publicity, that Trudeau also lifted the requirement for a visa from Romania. Allegedly this is so Romania will be our friend and support Trudeau's almost desperate desire to get a seat on the UN security council. The visa was put in place because of the gypsies who flooded into Canada and claimed refugee status. We actually paid thousands of them to abandon their claims and go home a few years ago. Expect them all to return, and more. So the cost of Mr Sunny Days benevolence just went from half a billion a year to a billion a year, and probably more. After all, that's just the cost of processing the claims. That doesn't include the costs of welfare, health care, etc.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Argus

[Smallc]

So much bluster, yet so little factual information:

The next move toward ratifying Canada's trade deal with the European Union is set for early next week, when Immigration Minister John McCallum is expected in Brussels to resolve Canada's long-standing visa dispute with Romania and Bulgaria.

With an October signing date now set for the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement (CETA), Canada must act — or risk a veto by countries who don't appreciate their nationals being treated as second-class EU citizens.

In April, Canada and the United States were given an additional three months to comply with the EU's policy of visa reciprocity: countries whose citizens don't need EU visas must, in return, allow visa-free travel for all EU nationals.

Canada currently requires visas for nationals from Romania and Bulgaria, while the U.S. requires visas for citizens from five EU member states.

The European Commission is set to meet July 13 to consider whether to follow through and impose reciprocal visas on Canadians and Americans.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/romania-bulgaria-visas-european-commission-mccallum-july-1.3665356

[Argus]

The European Commission is set to meet July 13 to consider whether to follow through and impose reciprocal visas on Canadians and Americans.

There is ZERO chance the EU will impose visas on Canadians or Americans. They are blustering. They know full well why the visas are in place, and that the US, in particular, has no intention of rescinding theirs. As for vetoes from Bulgaria or Romania, they are the beggars of Europe and will do and vote as they are told or else risk the money they get. Removing the visa for Canada will mean tens of thousands of Romas coming here and claiming refugee status. A significant number of which will then try to slip across the border into the US, thus causing them to further tighten entry.

The reason we can't just walk across the border to the US without even a passport, the way we used to, is because the Americans don't like our low standards for immigrants and refugees.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Argus

[Smallc]

The reason we can't just walk across the border to the US without even a passport, the way we used to, is because the Americans don't like our low standards for immigrants and refugees.

That's absolute garbage. The reason we can't just walk across is September 11th, 2001, and the understandable US reaction to that.

[Smallc]

There is ZERO chance the EU will impose visas on Canadians or Americans.

So it was much easier to make something up.

[Argus]

That's absolute garbage. The reason we can't just walk across is September 11th, 2001, and the understandable US reaction to that.

The US isn't afraid of Canadians bombing them. It's all the foreigners we let in without checking that they're afraid of.

[Argus]

So it was much easier to make something up.

What I'm not making up is the billions we're going to spend now on spurious refugee claims, welfare and health care for all the gypsies who will be coming over.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Argus

[Smallc]

The US isn't afraid of Canadians bombing them. It's all the foreigners we let in without checking that they're afraid of.

Canada has one of the most praised immigration systems on the planet. No one gets in without getting checked. You're making things up. There's a reason things changed after 9/11 - 9/11.

[Smallc]

What I'm not making up is the billions we're going to spend now on spurious refugee claims, welfare and health care for all the gypsies who will be coming over.

CETA and the Visa issue are far more important than a few thousand refugee claims.

[Argus]

Canada has one of the most praised immigration systems on the planet. No one gets in without getting checked. You're making things up. There's a reason things changed after 9/11 - 9/11.

Most praised? Riiiight. I love how you liberals have this pie in the sky view that everyone out there loves our brilliance. It's like we have the world's greatest health care system! Uh, except nobody else wants to imitate it. And now we have one of the 'most praised' immigration systems... but nobody else in the world uses it.

And while things changed after 9/11 they changed before 9/11 too. The reason why the US began keeping a more wary eye on its northern border isn't because of pale faced Canadians flocking south for the winter, y'know.

[Argus]

CETA and the Visa issue are far more important than a few thousand refugee claims.

Really? Even though the visa thing will without question cost us tens of billions of dollars?

And it's not a few thousand it's more like tens of thousands every year.

[Smallc]

Most praised? Riiiight.

Right. The evidence is pretty clear. Canada doesn't have immigration like those that exist in other countries.

It's like we have the world's greatest health care system!

I don't know anyone that says that.

Uh, except nobody else wants to imitate it.

Other countries are actually looking at us as a model. Germany, Sweden, and the UK among others.

And while things changed after 9/11 they changed before 9/11 too.

Very little, if at all.

[Smallc]

Really? Even though the visa thing will without question cost us tens of billions of dollars?

You're right, if the EU imposes Visas on Canada, it will cost us tens of billions of dollars over the years.

[Argus]

You're right, if the EU imposes Visas on Canada, it will cost us tens of billions of dollars over the years.

That's not an answer. That's avoiding an answer. The EU isn't going to impose visas on Canada, nor would it cost us much if they did. Most of the tourism is one way, which is why they won't impose visas. There are a whole helluva lot more Canadians in Paris, London and Rome than there are Brits, Frenchmen or Italians in Canada. So this is a made up threat on your part. The cost of processing visas, however, is a known fact, as is the history of the flood of Gypsies and Mexicans we had before the visa rules were imposed.

[Smallc]

You think that Canadians only go to Europe for tourism?

[Argus]

You think that Canadians only go to Europe for tourism?

I don't give a damn. What I do know is Canadians and Americans go to Europe a lot more than the reverse. Some business guy isn't going to be deterred from a trip due to a visa, but hey, if the EU wants to impose visas to discourage Canadians and Americans from coming over I'm all for it. Make the cost a thousand Euros each! That way a lot of those people will decide to vacation in Canada instead.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Argus

[?Impact]

What I do know is Canadians and Americans go to Europe a lot more than the reverse.

Do you have any statistics to back that up? Last year there were 2,543,715 tourists visiting Canada from Europe.

[Bryan]

Do you have any statistics to back that up? Last year there were 2,543,715 tourists visiting Canada from Europe.

It doesn't break the visits down by country to specify which ones were specifically european, but that chart does say that over 11.5 million Canadians travelled abroad (to places other than the US) last year. Seems pretty safe to at least hypothesize that more than 2.5M of them were to european countries.

[jacee]

If Mexicans are granted asylum on grounds of Mexico being a poor and dangerous country then all Central-American countries should be given the same treatment.

I'd say all the people driven off their lands by Canadian-registered mining or other companies should be allowed to come to Canada.

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[jacee]

It doesn't break the visits down by country to specify which ones were specifically european, but that chart does say that over 11.5 million Canadians travelled abroad (to places other than the US) last year. Seems pretty safe to at least hypothesize that more than 2.5M of them were to european countries.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/arts37a-eng.htm

About 3m+ Canadians go to Europe ... if we're counting the UK.

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[Argus]

Do you have any statistics to back that up? Last year there were 2,543,715 tourists visiting Canada from Europe.

This only has the top 15 countries Canada visits, but you can see that the top Europeans listed amount to almost 4 million.