More Clashes of Rights

[Hal 9000]

This is a better article; I've taken an expert out as somewhat of an example because i know some here will not even bother reading past the idea of "transgender".

If you really want this pervert in a changeroom with your children, you're sicker than this douchebag.


https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/tag/evergreen-state-college/


Before Title IX, female sports teams were shuttered off into small unequal locker rooms and sports facilities. Olympic WA school officials have reinstituted this illegal policy by punishing teenage girls and their families for keeping their children safe. Applying contact with this man, who merely two years ago described himself as a male fetishistic cross-dresser, as a condition of equal rights under Federal Title IX is discriminatory and illegal.

https://gendertrender.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/colleen-francis-2010.jpg?w=480
Colleen Francis 2010

Colleen Francis is a 45 year old man who retired from the US Army after 20 years as a supply sergeant. Married three times, he has three adult children and two daughters aged 7 and 5. His cross-sex hormones are provided by VA Medical, as well as a cocktail of psychiatric meds, lithium and antabuse prescribed for a troubling history that he details at length on a blog at the Transgender Lesbian Spaceof the puddygirl dating site for women. He says he is known as Fae Raven (not to be confused with the UK fetish model of the same name) in the BDSM Community and describes himself as:
I am polyamorous, bisexual (I very much favor women though, and my therapist calls me a lesbianmakes me smile) and kinky.
Colleen Brenna means Raven Girl in Irish Gaelic. A former rodeo rider, he is an avid hunter and competitive handgun shooter.
He started wearing a low-dose estrogen patch two years ago and has written that he has no intention of ever getting sex reassignment surgery, stating Yes, I still have those parts too, although they arent disgusting for me. Ive never hated then. I saw LONG ago, in childhood that those were what I was given, and beung the very, very sexual creature that I was/am, I used them. Enthusiastically. I decided not to be robbed of the blessing of sexuality simply because I came wrapped in the wrong package. [sic]
He describes his VA funded estrogen treatments as making him tired and very horny
The VA also funds his education at Olympia WA Evergreen State College. Francis performed in the university presentation of Eve Enslers The Vagina Monologues, an experience he describes on his wordpress blog thusly: I suddenly find myself in a community of Cunts.
He lists his life interests as: drawing, cooking, transgender issues,polyamory, witchcraft, nature, fishing, art, poetry, ocean, women, sex, sexuality, emotions, magic, magick, goddess, reading, erotica, pornography, nudity, crafting, leatherwork, firearms, knives, swords, paganism, wicca, LGBT issues, beauty, gender issues, kink, spirituality, guns, makeup, shoes, boots, corsets, selkies [sic]
and describes himself as at once a teen girl and a woman wise beyond her years.
He says the first thing people notice about him is I obviously stand out as the one who is not a genetic female.
Colleens fae_raven.livejournal bdsm account has been purged.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Michael Hardner
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[Bob Macadoo]

This is a better article;

.....to prove what I'm not sure. That there is someone in the changeroom that likes nudity & sex (me...I could take it or leave it) and prefers sex with women. Better tell your daughter about lesbians before it's too late. I assume as well you have an equally paranoid fear of all those naked gay men in the changeroom with your son.

[Hal 9000]

So, we have a pervert who is not actually transexual and not actually even gay hanging around naked, changing in front of little girls and watching them change - and the issue somehow becomes about how uptight I am?

Wow!

[jacee]

So, we have a pervert who is not actually transexual and not actually even gay hanging around naked, changing in front of little girls and watching them change - and the issue somehow becomes about how uptight I am?

Wow!

Where did it say, suggest, or even hint that her attentions to young girls were in any way disturbing?

It didn't.

The only concern raised was by people who were looking at her penis.

So who's uptight?

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Edited April 18, 2016 by jacee

[Hal 9000]

Where did it say, suggest, or even hint that her attentions to young girls were in any way disturbing?

It didn't.

The only concern raised was by people who were looking at her penis.

So who's uptight?

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Good grief! Give it a rest!

You people are really confused.

[Bob Macadoo]

You people are really confused.

.....that wasn't the lesson to take from this all.

[Derek 2.0]

So, we have a pervert who is not actually transexual and not actually even gay hanging around naked, changing in front of little girls and watching them change - and the issue somehow becomes about how uptight I am?

Wow!

I hear what you're saying..........you'd rather said pervert not change around little girls, but little boys instead

How about we lock perverts up in prison?

[Derek 2.0]

You may think is a great and wonderful step forward for humanity, but you might think differently once your 6 YO girl has some sicko exposing himself in her presence.

So you'd prefer the sicko exposing himself to little boys?

The Americans, like us here, already have laws aimed at protecting children from sickos.......I really think such laws are a solution looking for a problem.

[jacee]

Sickos and perverts force themselves on unwilling partners. They're criminals.

Trans people are not sickos or perverts.

They are just different.

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Edited April 26, 2016 by jacee

[Derek 2.0]

I'm sure that such a circumstance could have been handled without a state law prohibiting municipal legislation against anti-gay discrimination, or banning people from pursuing civil action for anti-gay discrimination.

-k

Exactly, there are already hundreds of differing Federal and State laws in place to protect the population from perverts....

[Hal 9000]

The law can't seem to do anything about the douchebag in the article.

[Derek 2.0]

The law can't seem to do anything about the douchebag in the article.

How many similar "douchebags", minus the X/Y cross-wires with surplus parts, are there already? Is this becoming a trend? I wouldn't have liked the thought of a pervert leering at my daughter anymore than my son.......article aside, has there been an increase in the number of perverts cross dressing to enter the other sex's washroom/change room?

How is this law intended to protect the public?

[Hal 9000]

I have no issues against people being gay...tranny or whatever sexual designation they choose - even though the reality is; people are what their genetics say they are.

Anyway, remember when it was asked "why should you care what people do in their own bedrooms"? Now we have to accept them taking off their clothes and showing their dicks to our daughters? Sorry, I'm not on board with that, and I feel very comfortable drawing that line.

[Hal 9000]

How many similar "douchebags", minus the X/Y cross-wires with surplus parts, are there already? Is this becoming a trend? I wouldn't have liked the thought of a pervert leering at my daughter anymore than my son.......article aside, has there been an increase in the number of perverts cross dressing to enter the other sex's washroom/change room?

How is this law intended to protect the public?

How would you like your daughter seeing some 40 year old dude's junk? I guess you're Ok with it, many people are not.

My wife and I will teach our kids about our bodies and sexuality - if you don't mind.

[Derek 2.0]

I have no issues against people being gay...tranny or whatever sexual designation they choose - even though the reality is; people are what their genetics say they are.

Anyway, remember when it was asked "why should you care what people do in their own bedrooms"? Now we have to accept them taking off their clothes and showing their dicks to our daughters? Sorry, I'm not on board with that, and I feel very comfortable drawing that line.

Do you feel comfortable with "them" showing their dicks to "our sons"? How would one differentiate the "member" of a hetero, gay or a pervert?

[Derek 2.0]

How would you like your daughter seeing some 40 year old dude's junk? I guess you're Ok with it, many people are not.

My wife and I will teach our kids about our bodies and sexuality - if you don't mind.

I haven't given it that much consideration to be honest.........as to bodies and sexuality, outside the courses taught early in grade school, do you attempt to teach your children such life lessons in public washrooms or change rooms?

[jacee]

A couple of things ...

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/states-rules-for-transgender-restroom-access-set-off-debate/

Located in a corner of the womens locker room, the sauna is for adults only, but the girls may have seen the woman through tinted glass, according to Evergreen spokesperson Meryl Lipman.

The children are not allowed to peek into the sauna anymore.

And ... that incident is 4 years old - 2012.

It's just the only story that can be trotted out by the hysterical squad to 'prove' there's a problem.

There is no problem.

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Edited April 26, 2016 by jacee

[Hal 9000]

Do you feel comfortable with "them" showing their dicks to "our sons"? How would one differentiate the "member" of a hetero, gay or a pervert?

I haven't given it that much consideration to be honest.........as to bodies and sexuality, outside the courses taught early in grade school, do you attempt to teach your children such life lessons in public washrooms or change rooms?

You clearly don't know much about the psychology of children or the way they view their own bodies.

Jacee - you've clearly been allowed to get away with too many insults lately. That's all you seem to do nowadays.

[bush_cheney2004]

...How is this law intended to protect the public?

The law wasn't so much about protecting the public as it was about asserting state control over the proliferation of local ordinances for employment/labour laws.

http://www.newamericancivilrightsproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/HeriotKirsanowFinalStatementwithAppendix.pdf

[jacee]

I have no issues against people being gay...tranny or whatever sexual designation they choose - even though the reality is; people are what their genetics say they are.

Their genetics are transgender.

And they have to use public facilities sometimes.

Anyway, remember when it was asked "why should you care what people do in their own bedrooms"? Now we have to accept them taking off their clothes and showing their dicks to our daughters? Sorry, I'm not on board with that, and I feel very comfortable drawing that line.

Then teach your kids not to spy on adults in the sauna.

This 4 year old minor incident is just a 'dog whistle' to ignite prejudice.

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Edited April 26, 2016 by jacee

[Hal 9000]

Their genetics are transgender.

And they have to use public facilities sometimes.

Then teach your kids not to spy on adults in the sauna.

This 4 year old minor incident is just a 'dog whistle' to ignite prejudice.

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If one takes DNA, it comes up with male or female - simple as that. Surgery and hormones don't change that.

It doesn't matter what a person claims they are when they are walking around a girls changer with their dick swinging out.

Pubescent girls don't want that in their change rooms.

And of course...another troll post from Jacee - Don't worry, MH will let it go and hammer me for pointing it out

[jacee]

If one takes DNA, it comes up with male or female - simple as that. Surgery and hormones don't change that.

The fact that the brain and the genitals develop at different times in the womb mean that a misalignment between the genitals and brain may develop, leading to either an intersex condition, or a transgender individual.

http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/

It doesn't matter what a person claims they are when they are walking around a girls changer with their dick swinging out.

Pubescent girls don't want that in their change rooms.

That's not what happened.

Once ... four years ago ... a kid peeked through a tinted window into the adult sauna.

Not exactly a major incident.

It's just the only one the anti-tranny bunch can trot out to get hysterical about.

Who's got the problem?!

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Edited April 26, 2016 by jacee