WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Who met Obama at the airport.....befitting a visiting President? Especially so if this is such an important visit? No one! You think Fidel didn't have anything to do with the kind of reception Obama got? The two Castros really socked it to Obama! Oh for gods sake. Why don't you read the itinerary of his visit. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Oh for gods sake. Why don't you read the itinerary of his visit. Well....who met Obama at the airport when he arrived? The butler? Quote
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Oh for gods sake. Why don't you read the itinerary of his visit. Anyway.....what good is that itinerary when we just have this open letter from Fidel Castro! Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Well....who met Obama at the airport when he arrived? The butler? Do you even know what his itinerary involved?Or are you blindly focused on the airport? Edited March 28, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Anyway.....what good is that itinerary when we just have this open letter from Fidel Castro! Yes, tell me what kind of an impact that will have on u.s./Cuban relations. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Do you even know what his itinerary involved? Or are you blindly focused on the airport? The airport arrival is very important! All visiting leaders (whether they're dictators or not), even the Pope....are met with the appropriate protocol! If not the President, a high-ranking minister is usually present to welcome the visitors. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 The airport arrival is very important! All visiting leaders (whether they're dictators or not), even the Pope....are met with the appropriate protocol! If not the President, a high-ranking minister is usually present to welcome the visitors. Yea, yea. I understand your disgust. Now, did you look up his itinerary? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Yes, tell me what kind of an impact that will have on u.s./Cuban relations. The kind of reception that he got, plus the letter from Castro..... Wait and see, shall we? After all, Obama is on his way out - and he probably did the Cuba thingy hoping it will be part of his legacy. But the snub will go down in history. Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 The kind of reception that he got, plus the letter from Castro..... Wait and see, shall we? After all, Obama is on his way out - and he probably did the Cuba thingy hoping it will be part of his legacy. But the snub will go down in history. Right. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Yea, yea. I understand your disgust. Now, did you look up his itinerary? provide it. You're the one who brought it up. Start with his arrival.....as he and his family were stepping down that plane. Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 provide it. You're the one who brought it up. Start with his arrival.....as he and his family were stepping down that plane. I can't be bothered. You can look it up Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Here's the attempt to save face: The White House says it's taking no offense that Cuban President Raul Castro didn't greet President Barack Obama upon arrival in Havana. Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser, says it was "never contemplated or discussed" that Castro would be at the airport. He said the Cubans consider Monday morning's ceremony with Obama and Castro to be the official welcome event. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-us-move-airbnb-bookings-cuba-37790237 But look at this: Mr Castro, brother of Fidel, is due to welcome his American counterpart at the Palace of Revolution on Monday. But he was on the Tarmac to meet Pope Francis last year and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill last month. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/cuba/12199879/Donald-Trump-assues-Raul-Castro-of-snubbing-Barack-Obama-by-skipping-airport-welcome.html Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 The kind of reception that he got, plus the letter from Castro..... Wait and see, shall we? After all, Obama is on his way out - and he probably did the Cuba thingy hoping it will be part of his legacy. But the snub will go down in history. The real snub is that this is the first sitting President in 80 years to officially visit Cuba to mend relations. This Canadian has legally enjoyed Cuban cigars for decades! Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 28, 2016 Report Posted March 28, 2016 Here's the attempt to save face: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-us-move-airbnb-bookings-cuba-37790237 But look at this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/cuba/12199879/Donald-Trump-assues-Raul-Castro-of-snubbing-Barack-Obama-by-skipping-airport-welcome.html Do you really think his not being on the Tarmac will affect relations between these two countries? Seriously? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
betsy Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) The real snub is that this is the first sitting President in 80 years to officially visit Cuba to mend relations. This Canadian has legally enjoyed Cuban cigars for decades! The first in 80 years! It's a "milestone" visit - that's why the snub is so obvious! The letter from Fidel didn't help either. Let's see what happens if a Republican ends up being the next President. Edited March 29, 2016 by betsy Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 The first in 80 years! It's a "milestone" visit - that's why the snub is so obvious! The letter from Fidel didn't help either. Let's see what happens if a Republican ends up being the next President. There is no chance in hell relations will go sideways. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
kimmy Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 IMHO, this is a good thing, like Nixon - in the short run - for ordinary people in Cuba and in America. Obama = Nixon. But Reagan was right in the long run: "Tear down this wall." Wouldn't the most "tear down this wall" thing to do be to restore relations and trade with Cuba? At this point, does the embargo serve any purpose? What's the point? If this is about promoting human rights, what makes Cuba worse than other countries like China? And China and Cuba are like angels compared to the Saudis, who are apparently key US allies. If it's about promoting change in Cuba, I believe the fastest way for the US to promote change in Cuba would be to throw open the gates and let US culture work its magic. We in Canada know better than anyone what a powerful influence it can be. I don't actually think it's about promoting human rights or democracy in Cuba. I think it's just about pandering to a segment of voters in Florida who still hold a grudge for stuff that happened 60 years ago. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
GostHacked Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 Kimmy, the US has better relations with Russia than it does with Cuba. Cuban missile crisis. Interesting no? 'Hey you ignored me for 80 years and I turn my nose up at you when you want to make up. Is that really a snub?' Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 Wouldn't the most "tear down this wall" thing to do be to restore relations and trade with Cuba? At this point, does the embargo serve any purpose? It serves the intended political purpose...on both sides. It is naive to think that the present Cuban government wants to embrace the idea of lifting the embargo (which is nearly meaningless in practical purposes anyway), because it would undermine their control of the nation. Takes two to tango.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
rotary Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 It serves the intended political purpose...on both sides. It is naive to think that the present Cuban government wants to embrace the idea of lifting the embargo (which is nearly meaningless in practical purposes anyway), because it would undermine their control of the nation. Takes two to tango.... It is equally naive to suggest the embargo is meaningless. Look at the extra costs involved. But hey I do have my concerns that this lifting of the embargo will screw the place up in lots of ways. Most of all because ignorant Americans will now flock there, litter the beaches, and drive the prices through the roof. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) It is equally naive to suggest the embargo is meaningless. Look at the extra costs involved. But hey I do have my concerns that this lifting of the embargo will screw the place up in lots of ways. Most of all because ignorant Americans will now flock there, litter the beaches, and drive the prices through the roof. Won't be any worse than the "ignorant" Canadians who have done the same for years. The Americans were living and investing in Cuba long before Canadians. Edited March 29, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
rotary Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 Won't be any worse than the "ignorant" Canadians who have done the same for years. The Americans were living and investing in Cuba long before Canadians.Yeah the US just got stupid for nearly 60 years. Finally it took Obama to sort that. Do you think he was born in Kenya too? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 ...Finally it took Obama to sort that. Do you think he was born in Kenya too? Try to stay on topic...do it for Cuba. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
rotary Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 Try to stay on topic...do it for Cuba.Not been watching the news lately? Cuba is very topical just now in case you missed out. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 29, 2016 Report Posted March 29, 2016 Try to stay on topic...do it for Cuba. And Canada! Quote
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