WestCoastRunner Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Posted March 12, 2016 Was it just some overzealous technicians that wrote this on their own or were they following orders? My vote goes to overzealousness. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 If it was an order from the government of Iran then people would have a case to make against Iran's government, if not then the real overzealousness is coming from folks who wish to malign an entire people because of the actions of a few, which as we know happens all the time when it comes to Muslims. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Posted March 12, 2016 If it was an order from the government of Iran then people would have a case to make against Iran's government, if not then the real overzealousness is coming from folks who wish to malign an entire people because of the actions of a few, which as we know happens all the time when it comes to Muslims. Gosh. This sounds like Trumps people. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What's really sad is how unthinkingly quick people are to malign those who are dictated to for the actions of their dictators. You see a lot of that when it comes to defending or apologizing for the pursuit of our interests throughout the region Iran is part of. They're all just so many savages who deserve what they get for being under their dictator's thumbs. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Posted March 12, 2016 What's really sad is how unthinkingly quick people are to malign those who are dictated to for the actions of their dictators. You see a lot of that when it comes to defending or apologizing for the pursuit of our interests throughout the region Iran is part of. They're all just so many savages who deserve what they get for being under their dictator's thumbs. We only need to look at teen 'child' soldiers to see how horrific this is. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What's really sad is how unthinkingly quick people are to malign those who are dictated to for the actions of their dictators. You see a lot of that when it comes to defending or apologizing for the pursuit of our interests throughout the region Iran is part of. They're all just so many savages who deserve what they get for being under their dictator's thumbs. And as has been evidenced in this forum previously, it seems most of those malingers do so, without ever having set foot in the areas they discuss, and want to hear nothing from those of us who have, as that actual experience often refutes their assumptions. Quote
Rue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 My vote goes to overzealousness. Gosh that sound's like the Ayatollah's people. Quote
Rue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) And as has been evidenced in this forum previously, it seems most of those malingers do so, without ever having set foot in the areas they discuss, and want to hear nothing from those of us who have, as that actual experience often refutes their assumptions. Yes of course you refer to yourself, Eye, Big Guy, Hudson Jones, Mayer, Dre you, all experts on Israel having set foot in the areas you discuss. Edited March 12, 2016 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 What's really sad is how unthinkingly quick people are to malign those who are dictated to for the actions of their dictators. Lol this coming from someone who has maligned all Israelis. You generalize, no, just others. Quote
Big Guy Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 Yes of course you refer to Eye, Bug Giy, Hudson Jones, Mayer, you, all experts on Israel having set foot in the areas you discuss an dyou well you are an expert on Iran. No one can question that can they you've been there. You know. I actually read this post because my avatar (I think) was referred to. I still have no use for anything that the author has posted here but I congratulate him on his brevity (even if he continues to have problems with spelling). Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) The elections DO matter. They might not radically change Iran overnight but those parliamentarians are responsible for managing everything from transportation to trade No its not as easy as that. Here's an easy article even you can read: http://www.iranchamber.com/government/articles/structure_of_power.php Next try deal with this graph: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Iran%27s+government+structure&view=detailv2&qpvt=Iran%27s+government+structure&id=21C5F3C91E4B81D1401AEDDA91A2983C2F1CE170&selectedIndex=3&ccid=LnB1URsS&simid=608054206236525427&thid=OIP.M2e7075511b12031d424763099d4bf34aH0&ajaxhist=0 and http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/pspa/hamzeh2figure1.jpg https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Governmental+Structure+of+Iran&view=detailv2&&id=BD533247C4B25E11449E70742118305CC5EB0036&selectedIndex=6&ccid=aKpBC1tb&simid=608039852452286066&thid=OIP.M68aa410b5b5be0998beeffb6924d08d3o0&ajaxhist=0 then: http://www.irantracker.org/basics/political-structures-iran "A large proportion of Iran’s wealth—possibly as much as 35% of its gross domestic product—is tied up in a number of large religious-charitable foundations called bonyads. The Supreme Leader chooses the heads of these foundations, and they are not responsible to the parliament, the ministries, or the president. The foundations play an important role in the Iranian economy, running large-scale business enterprises of various sorts and employing perhaps 5 million Iranians.[1] Some of these foundations are suspected of involvement in Iran’s banned weapons programs, and the U.S. Treasury Department lists the Martyrs Foundation as a sanctioned organization. Iran’s political leadership, therefore, controls around 60% of the country’s revenues and expenditures (as overseen by the Supreme Leader and his numerous control organizations). The rest is controlled directly by the Supreme Leader through his chosen agents." Now that article does say this as well to be fair to you: "Yet the formal governing structures of Iran are not a sham—60% of Iran’s national wealth is a very significant amount, and the decisions of the parliament and president can have dramatic impacts on the lives of 70 million Iranians." My point is the parliament does not wield the same day to day power as ours does. In fact the Council of Guardians, (in charge of examining all the laws passed by Parliament to determine their compatibility with sharia, or Islamic law) has struck down up to 40 percent of the laws passed by Parliament. source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/inside/govt.html In fact it is the Central Bank of Iran that implements its monetary, credit, importation of goods, policies. Here's an article that helps explain the complex systems within Iran's economic policy making framework: http://www.mkeever.com/iran.html Here is the latest info I could find on Iran's economy for the purposes of keeping it simple for the Iranian experts on this forum: http://www.heritage.org/index/country/iran "Corruption is pervasive. The hard-line clerical establishment has gained great wealth through control of tax-exempt foundations that dominate many economic sectors. The government long ago abolished independent financial watchdogs. The judicial system is not independent; the supreme leader directly appoints the head of the judiciary, who in turn appoints senior judges. The government has confiscated property belonging to religious minorities. The regulatory environment remains restrictive, severely constraining private economic activity. Labor market rigidity exacerbated by state interference continues to discourage dynamic job growth. In 2015, the government was forced to make significant cuts in subsidies, not as part of an orderly and enlightened liberalization plan to make structural reforms but because of sharply lower oil revenues." Now all of you Iran spokespeople please understand, some of us read and its not your words. We tend to find our info elsewhere not that I don't think Dre, Hudson Jones or Big Guy or On Guard or Eye are experts on Iran, but because well hey let's just say I prefer to get my information from my people. Oh you know we run the world's banking system so if anyone should know its me and my people. Excuse me but I have to go back to running the world's finances with the Rothchilds. No time to talk further. Edited March 12, 2016 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 I actually read this post because my avatar (I think) was referred to. I still have no use for anything that the author has posted here but I congratulate him on his brevity (even if he continues to have problems with spelling). Thanks I corrected the spelling sorry Bug Guy its Big Guy. Quote
dre Posted March 12, 2016 Report Posted March 12, 2016 My point is the parliament does not wield the same day to day power as ours does. Neither that, or anything else in your post is a counter-point to anything I said. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Big Guy Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 Thanks I corrected the spelling sorry Bug Guy its Big Guy. It's okay Rude, we all make innocent errors. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 Yes of course you refer to yourself, Eye, Big Guy, Hudson Jones, Mayer, Dre you, all experts on Israel having set foot in the areas you discuss.No, but we're all pretty good at recognizing BS when we see it. Mind you that doesn't require a lot of talent around here. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 Yes of course you refer to yourself, Eye, Big Guy, Hudson Jones, Mayer, Dre you, all experts on Israel having set foot in the areas you discuss. And how often have you set foot in the ME? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 My vote goes to overzealousness. Seriously? An overzealous technician? https://www.google.com/search?q=Israel+must+be+wiped+out&num=30&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNwdyCpb3LAhWHmIMKHTjCCjQQ_AUIBygB&biw=1291&bih=632 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Yes seriously..... Remembered you lot shouting and moaning from far far away when Ahmadinejhad was the president of Iran and "allegedly" said the same thing. Was the Israel wiped out of the map by those overzealous leaders back then? Noooo. Give it up DOP....give it up.... And ofcourse when you have another overzealous like BIBI who constantly threatens Iran by provocative speeches in front of AIPAC and UN assembley you and the silent majority of our jewish friends on this forum tacitly approve them.... Terrorist activities by your beloved BIBI against another state: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Ahmadi-Roshan http://m.huffpost.com/us/news/iran-nuclear-scientist-killed https://www.rt.com/news/iran-obama-assassination-scientists-443/ http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/just-who-has-been-killing-irans-nuclear-scientists-8861232.html http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2014/0717/Covert-war-against-Iran-s-nuclear-scientists-a-widow-remembers Ofcourse people like you with some affiliations to the policies of the israeli government are so blinded with your hatred and biased views that you view all the policies of israeli government as 'self defence' and play the 'victim card' as usual. What is good for gander is good for goose! Talk about hypocrisy.... Edited March 13, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 So the position of the previous posters is that some 'zealous' technician got up in the middle of the night ....armed with stencils and industrial paint gun...and spray painted Iran's new ICBMs with "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" in Hebrew while on the launch pad. Okay then... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 What do you reckon is written on the side of missiles fired from US F 16's into Palestine. But Palestinians and Israelis have been killing each other for the last fifty years. Why does Iran hate Israel so much? And if you tell me their deep and abiding love for human rights I may gag. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 But Palestinians and Israelis have been killing each other for the last fifty years. Why does Iran hate Israel so much? And if you tell me their deep and abiding love for human rights I may gag. Spare me the croccodile tears....Israel's government is not exactly virgin mary like you and your the rest of you lot like to portray..... .....and why would you care about Iran's human rights!?!?. Enquiring minds like to know..... On second thought.... Quote
Argus Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 Spare me the croccodile tears....Israel's government is not exactly virgin mary like you and your the rest of you lot like to portray..... .....and why would you care about Iran's human rights!?!?. Enquiring minds like to know..... On second thought.... I couldn't help notice you didn't address the question at all. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) I couldn't help notice you didn't address the question at all. You don't demand an answer. Especially when your quesrion is misrepresented. Besides your question is irrelevant when one is not open minded to hear the other side if the argument....your generalisation that Iran hates Israel is simplistic and one directional view that every iranian hates Israel, which is wrong considering the country is inhabitant to 25,000 to jews refusing to accept bibi's government bribe money to emigrate to Israel.... Edited March 13, 2016 by kactus Quote
eyeball Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 So the position of the previous posters is that some 'zealous' technician got up in the middle of the night ....armed with stencils and industrial paint gun...and spray painted Iran's new ICBMs with "Israel Must Be Wiped Out" in Hebrew while on the launch pad. Okay then... Excuse me but who's taken that position? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 13, 2016 Report Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) Has anyone actually seen a photo of the missiles with the words written on them and who wrote them anyway? Were the words picked from submissions elicited from the general populace in a contest of some sort? This is about the only way it could generally be pinned on Iranians. Edited March 13, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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