Boges Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I've been high where I was I'm no condition to drive, there's a limit. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 So you do want unrestricted access to canibis. If you're saying it's safer than Aspirin anyway. Pay attention to what I say, not just what you'd like me to have said. I prefer the model where cannabis is controlled and taxed, much like alcohol. There have been health risks associated with cannabis (particularly relating to developing brains) and the science is incomplete. However, there is more than enough history with this substance that adults should be able to make up their own minds. There is also plenty of good evidence that illegal pot is easier for underage people to acquire than legal alcohol. The hysteria over legalization of cannabis (mostly from a segment of the population that normally votes Conservative) is unwarranted. Substances that are considered "safe" like aspirin are not 100% safe so it's unreasonable for people to demand marijuana be outlawed due to low probability risks. I've been high where I was I'm no condition to drive, there's a limit. Curiously, people who are stoned tend to overestimate their level of impairment. In contrast, people who've had a few drinks judge themselves fine to drive when they're not. Having said that, I agree that it's best not to drive while high. I'm looking forward to self driving cars and rolling parties. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I'm not opposed to taxes I just want the friggen' government off my back. Friggen' stupid conservative desires to see the government stomping all over people's backs for so long now is why the financial and social cost of legalizing pot will make the gun registry look like a minor expense and inconvenience. I think illegal pot will be better quality and half the price of the legal crap. Let's allow Justin a chance to do something before we rush to judgement. And it might take a while for laws to settle out. A couple of generations ago, alcohol regulations were insanely restrictive but they were still better than prohibition. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Boges Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 This thread isn't about prohibition of cannabis. It's about how it will be distributed when it is legalized. The argument OT and I are making is that if it's distributed like alcohol and taxed similarly people who already have access to it won't buy in. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 This thread isn't about prohibition of cannabis. It's about how it will be distributed when it is legalized. The argument OT and I are making is that if it's distributed like alcohol and taxed similarly people who already have access to it won't buy in. Then I guess you were way off topic when you said this: The problem with cannabis blood tests is that is stays in the system well after it doesn't effect impairment. Only some sort of field sobriety test would be useful and even then I doubt a conviction could be used based on that. It's OK - just don't let it happen again. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Boges Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) It was responding to another poster. Perhaps chastise him :-) Edited January 28, 2016 by Boges Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 It was responding to another poster. Perhaps chastise him :-) Funny - so was I. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I'm just saying that pot will be distributed as ridiculously as it's being legalized and for the same reason - conservative right-wingers won't stand for anything less than a overbearing Nanny fussing over and attending to every single piddling detail they can throw against it. Liberals will be more than happy to oblige them every step of the way. Yes, I'm that cynical. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Boges Posted January 28, 2016 Report Posted January 28, 2016 I'm just saying that pot will be distributed as ridiculously as it's being legalized and for the same reason - conservative right-wingers won't stand for anything less than a overbearing Nanny fussing over and attending to every single piddling detail they can throw against it. Liberals will be more than happy to oblige them every step of the way. Yes, I'm that cynical. You mean like the Conservatives in the Liberal Party of Ontario that proposed selling pot in government owned liquor stores? This isn't a left-right argument. It's a libraterian one. Quote
eyeball Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 You mean like the Conservatives in the Liberal Party of Ontario that proposed selling pot in government owned liquor stores? You must mean conservatives not Conservatives - as two utterly different animals as there ever was. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Posted January 29, 2016 It will be legalized and it will be a controlled substance. Already there are suggested methods of identifying THC in roadside tests. The main reason is that the government is going to need lots of $ to satisfy its promises. There might be a way: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pot-revenue-government-5-billion-1.3423705 A influx of $5 billion a year isn't peanuts! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) It will be legalized and it will be a controlled substance. Already there are suggested methods of identifying THC in roadside tests. The main reason is that the government is going to need lots of $ to satisfy its promises. There might be a way: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pot-revenue-government-5-billion-1.3423705 A influx of $5 billion a year isn't peanuts! Again that probably assumes everyone pays taxes for the legal pot they smoke. That's a big If. I suspect there will be people that will pay excise taxes for legal pot, but if you're used to paying a certain price and the legal stuff is far more expensive, because of taxes, what motivation do you have to buy into legalized cannabis? Edited January 29, 2016 by Boges Quote
Topaz Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 Apparently in Windsor On. a business has open to medical pot smokers only, which has a night club menu but thereès no drinking alcohol, smoke tobacco, bring your own medical pot and enjoy others there. it is suppose to one the largest in Canada, thus far. Thoughts http://windsorstar.com/business/local-business/high-society-vaping-lounge-opens-for-business-in-downtown-windsor Quote
Big Guy Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Posted January 29, 2016 I have been trying to get some financial data on the coming marijuana legalization: What is the processing cost of marijuana from seed to a ready marijuana cigarette? What is the current illegal street price? What is the "profit" margin for illegal processing? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Posted January 29, 2016 Apparently in Windsor On. a business has open to medical pot smokers only, which has a night club menu but thereès no drinking alcohol, smoke tobacco, bring your own medical pot and enjoy others there. it is suppose to one the largest in Canada, thus far. Thoughts http://windsorstar.com/business/local-business/high-society-vaping-lounge-opens-for-business-in-downtown-windsor I think the sooner we treat THC as we treat alcohol the better for all (except organized crime) it will be. These silly small steps in order to be first to get into the economic bonanza of decriminalization and/or legalization already indicate what the smart investors already see. Enough already - pass that legislation! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 We can't. Our political/governing system is just too screwed up. It'll take years and the result will be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if usage drops off by the time they figure it out. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Boges Posted January 29, 2016 Report Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) I think the sooner we treat THC as we treat alcohol the better for all (except organized crime) it will be. These silly small steps in order to be first to get into the economic bonanza of decriminalization and/or legalization already indicate what the smart investors already see. Enough already - pass that legislation! Have you not been reading your own thread? In Canada we treat alcohol in a extraordinarily regulated fashion, ditto with tobacco. I'm sure many would love to consume good quality contraband alcohol but it requires much more of an investment than to make cannabis. The whole point of an excise tax is to prevent abuse and make people use these vices as an occasional indulgence. Of course it's a lie, they want people to consume more of these controlled substances, not less. They just have to shelter it under the guise of social responsibility. So what's the goal? To generate lots of revenue or save money by not prosecuting people for using a relatively safe recreational drug? If the goal is revenue then would we see cannabis marketed to people like alcohol currently is? Edited January 29, 2016 by Boges Quote
Tarand Posted February 13, 2016 Report Posted February 13, 2016 You oppose Cannabis you get this : http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/don-dunphy-aimed-loaded-rifle-at-cop-prior-to-fatal-shooting-rcmp-say-1.3023688 Quote
eyeball Posted February 13, 2016 Report Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) So what's the goal? To generate lots of revenue or save money by not prosecuting people for using a relatively safe recreational drug? If the goal is revenue then would we see cannabis marketed to people like alcohol currently is? I kinda thought getting the state off people's backs was good enough reason.All this tire spinning and burning rubber is about what sort of Nanny we're going to be stuck with. Mrs Doubtfire from the left or The Penguin from the right (that nun from the Blues Bros.) In between these of course is all the money to be fought over. Edited February 13, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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