On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 How nice for the Christians and Jews that Islam agreed for them....lol. We are the Borg... Naw they all kind of agreed together.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Naw they all kind of agreed together. No. Islam arrived in most places at the point of a sword. The Pact Of Omar was the treaty between Muslims and non-Muslims and was very specific as to the pecking order and the various roles previous prophets (like Jesus and Moses etc) had in the New Order. Christianity did a similar thing minus the sword-points in its early days. Ask the Jews... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Not at all. The two statements I quoted were equivalent. Your interpretation of my statement was the wrong one, as I had attempted to clarify. You attributed a thing, evil, to another thing religion, to speciously make more out of it than it is. I'm doing the opposite and stripping it of the unnecessary and deliberate rhetoric you feel a need to add. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) No. Islam arrived in most places at the point of a sword. The Pact Of Omar was the treaty between Muslims and non-Muslims and was very specific as to the pecking order and the various roles previous prophets (like Jesus and Moses etc) had in the New Order. Christianity did a similar thing minus the sword-points in its early days. Ask the Jews... The idea that Islam imposed itself at the point of a sword is only western fiction fabricated at the time of the Crusades. Far more violence in the Bible than in the Quran. Edited February 7, 2016 by On Guard for Thee
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The idea that Islam imposed itself at the point of a sword is only western fiction fabricated at the time of the Crusades. Far more violence in the Bible than in the Quran. No. The military history of Islam is well documented. The really large scale conquests came after Mohammad's death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 No. The military history of Islam is well documented. The really large scale conquests came after Mohammad's death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests No, Christians had coined the word genocide before there even was a Quran.
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) You attributed a thing, evil, to another thing religion, to speciously make more out of it than it is. I'm doing the opposite and stripping it of the unnecessary and deliberate rhetoric you feel a need to add.I specifically made the point that I did not attribute evil to religion. That was what the clarification was for. I wanted to make it clear that the evil was the idea of the interpretor. It does happen that religion is awfully good at that. Giving people evil ideas. It's still the people who carry them out, though. Edited February 7, 2016 by bcsapper
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 No, You're denying that Islam spread via conquest as detailed on that Wikipedia page? Amazing. Christians had coined the word genocide before there even was a Quran. What? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 You're denying that Islam spread via conquest as detailed on that Wikipedia page? Amazing. What? How do you think Christianity spread?
eyeball Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I specifically made the point that I did not attribute evil to religion. That was what the clarification was for. I wanted to make it clear that the evil was the idea of the interpretor. It does happen that religion is awfully good at that. Giving people evil ideas. It's still the people who carry them out, though. I feel the sane way about conservatism. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) How do you think Christianity spread? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity Christians tended to be a persecuted group often tossed to lions during the early days of Christianity. It got its big push to being a major religion as we all know it after Constantine the Great converted on the battlefield, turning the Roman Empire to Christianity away from Jupiter and pals. Edited February 7, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity Christians tended to be a persecuted group often tossed to lions during the early days of Christianity. It got its big push to being a major religion as we all know it after Constantine the Great converted on the battlefield, turning the Roman Empire to Christianity away from Jupiter and pals. I guess when God ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites that was just a little picnic eh?
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I guess when God ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites that was just a little picnic eh? That's Judaism. Hebrews are Jews. Not Christians. They were indeed warriors like every other tribe in the Levant back in ancient times. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 That's Judaism. Hebrews are Jews. Not Christians. They were indeed warriors like every other tribe in the Levant back in ancient times. Glad we got that cleared up.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Glad we got that cleared up. Yes...I'm surprised that you thought Hebrews were Christians. Christianity came with Jesus and his lot during Roman times 33 AD. The Kingdom of David et al is circa 900 BC there about. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Yes...I'm surprised that you thought Hebrews were Christians. Christianity came with Jesus and his lot during Roman times 33 AD. The Kingdom of David et al is circa 900 BC there about. So you understand then that the tenets of their religions called for, and in their times carried out, violence that certainly equaled anything Islam has.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 So you understand then that the tenets of their religions called for, and in their times carried out, violence that certainly equaled anything Islam has. Early Christianity wasn't spread via violence, though. Islam was. In just over 100 years, Islamic armies conquered an area larger than the Roman Empire applying the Pact of Omar as they proceeded. That was blitzkrieg like speed for the Middle Ages. France and England fought for 100+ years over who got Calais and Bordeaux. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Two great battles (and notable smaller ones) finally put an end to the great initial military expansion of Islam. The first was in 1571 at a huge sea battle called Lepanto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto The next was in 1683 at the Battle of Vienna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna After those two battles, Islamic military might was broken both at sea and on land. The Empire began its slow decline to 1918. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Early Christianity wasn't spread via violence, though. Islam was. In just over 100 years, Islamic armies conquered an area larger than the Roman Empire applying the Pact of Omar as they proceeded. That was blitzkrieg like speed for the Middle Ages. France and England fought for 100+ years over who got Calais and Bordeaux. Ever heard of the Arian, Donatist eras?
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Ever heard of the Arian, Donatist eras? Sure. Putting down supposed Christian heresy. Eventually, though, Constantine was made to see the error of his ways and he wrote an open apology as well as orders to his bishops to respect the Donatists. Unless your history is different... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Sure. Putting down supposed Christian heresy. Eventually, though, Constantine was made to see the error of his ways and he wrote an open apology as well as orders to his bishops to respect the Donatists. Unless your history is different... Millions tortured and slaughtered. Muslim's don't hold a candle.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Millions tortured and slaughtered. Muslim's don't hold a candle. Millions weren't killed in the short lived Donatist Heresy. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 However, a campaign that did actually kill millions was the Islamic invasion of India. Hindu Kush is the name given to the mountains the Hindu slaves had to cross to the slave markets beyond....Killer of Hindus (trans). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_on_the_Indian_subcontinent Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Millions weren't killed in the short lived Donatist Heresy.Arian, Donatist and Albigensian Heresies resulted in millions tortured and slaughtered,
DogOnPorch Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 Arian, Donatist and Albigensian Heresies resulted in millions tortured and slaughtered, No. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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