angrypenguin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 What a waste of money. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Big Guy Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 ... I'm saying blue turtles riding bicycles backwards draw honeybees making tracks down the hostages.. And I fully agree! I have seen them. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 And the rich certainly are not too small in #, since 1% of the population in Canada owns 50% of the wealth, Your cite says no such thing. So I'll ask you to produce one which does. But hey our economic system happens to allow business/stock owners 100% control over all profit allocation (ie: into their own pockets), so the rich "deserve it" right? You think you deserve the product of other people's work and efforts and skills? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 I never said everyone shouldn't pay something. It's completely false to imply otherwise. In the meantime any human being in Canada that needs medical treatment they should get it. If they have a country to go home to, fine, if not that's fine too. Then you and others who feel similarly should voluntarily pay a special extra tax, the "I want to help foreigners tax" and leave the rest of us alone. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Then you and others who feel similarly should voluntarily pay a special extra tax, the "I want to help foreigners tax" and leave the rest of us alone. Ah, the ultimate petulance of the defeated partisan. We all pay taxes, some of those taxes go to good things, some of those taxes go to things we don't like. You don't like foreigners, but you'll have to resign yourself to having to pay for some of their medical bills via your taxes for four years, until the anti-refugee party wins. Quote
angrypenguin Posted November 9, 2015 Report Posted November 9, 2015 Ah, the ultimate petulance of the defeated partisan. We all pay taxes, some of those taxes go to good things, some of those taxes go to things we don't like. You don't like foreigners, but you'll have to resign yourself to having to pay for some of their medical bills via your taxes for four years, until the anti-refugee party wins. I'd argue the NDP is more anti refugee than the Conservatives. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Argus Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Ah, the ultimate petulance of the defeated partisan. We all pay taxes, some of those taxes go to good things, some of those taxes go to things we don't like. You don't like foreigners, but you'll have to resign yourself to having to pay for some of their medical bills via your taxes for four years, until the anti-refugee party wins. Oh please. You are ten times the partisan I've ever or will ever be. If Trudeau walked on the same block as you you'd throw yourself at his feet crying tears of joy. I don't like or dislike foreigners. I don't see why I should have to pay for their medical care, though. I feel no obligation on their behalf. If you do then maybe you could volunteer to help them out. Edited November 10, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 I'd argue the NDP is more anti refugee than the Conservatives. Why on earth would you argue that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 I don't like or dislike foreigners. I don't see why I should have to pay for their medical care, though. I feel no obligation on their behalf. If you do then maybe you could volunteer to help them out.Maybe if you just thought of them as fellow human beings you'd feel differently. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 Maybe if you just thought of them as fellow human beings you'd feel differently. I'm waiting for the first CBC refugee reality TV show....I'm sure they can be exploited for even more political gain in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that, but feel free to knock yourself out. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that, but feel free to knock yourself out. Won't be hard...look how much fun Canada had with Maher Arar...another Syrian "refugee". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 Another human being you mean Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 Another human being you mean Yep...Canada had a lot of fun with that human being refugee. Paid him well...word must have gotten out in Syria! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 Maybe if you just thought of them as fellow human beings you'd feel differently. I don't have the resources to help more than a tiny number of my fellow human beings. Neither does Canada. Thus we prioritize. There are Canadians who need help. I would rather help them than foreigners. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 I don't have the resources to help more than a tiny number of my fellow human beings. Neither does Canada.Yes you do, and so does Canada. Listening to someone plead impoverishment who claims to pay more in taxes than ordinary Canadians earn is pathetic.Thus we prioritize. There are Canadians who need help. I would rather help them than foreigners.No you wouldn't. You'd be in here crying crocodile tears as usual. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 Yes you do, and so does Canada. Listening to someone plead impoverishment who claims to pay more in taxes than ordinary Canadians earn is pathetic. And that over 50% of my income goes to help a lot of Canadians who gets government services without having to pay for them because the government gets so much from me. You want me to provide free medical care to the whole world now? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 And that over 50% of my income goes to help a lot of Canadians who gets government services without having to pay for them because the government gets so much from me. You want me to provide free medical care to the whole world now? Because the taxes you pay give you no benefit at all. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 There are Canadians who need help. I would rather help them than foreigners. And that over 50% of my income goes to help a lot of Canadians who gets government services without having to pay for them because the government gets so much from me. It doesn't really sound like you want to help anyone. It's hard to reconcile not wanting to pay taxes at all with having such a strong opinion on where your money should go. It seems like it would be in your best interest to make these programs fail, IMO. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 Because the taxes you pay give you no benefit at all. I haven't been to a hospital in I don't know how many years. I just had a complete physical assessment done last month. It cost me $1200 at a special clinic. I don't need the government to pay for my health care services. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 It doesn't really sound like you want to help anyone. It's hard to reconcile not wanting to pay taxes at all with having such a strong opinion on where your money should go. It seems like it would be in your best interest to make these programs fail, IMO. Who said I don't want to pay any taxes at all? Certainly I've never even suggested such a thing. I agree that taxes are a necessary component of living within a community and as long as they provide necessary services and they're done reasonably efficiently I'm pretty much fine with that. Justin promising to spend an extra $350 million a year on the arts, on the other hand, I am not fine with. Justin spending billions of dollars magnanimously helping foreigners is something I'm also not all that fine with. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 Who said I don't want to pay any taxes at all? Certainly I've never even suggested such a thing. I agree that taxes are a necessary component of living within a community and as long as they provide necessary services and they're done reasonably efficiently I'm pretty much fine with that. Justin promising to spend an extra $350 million a year on the arts, on the other hand, I am not fine with. Justin spending billions of dollars magnanimously helping foreigners is something I'm also not all that fine with. Well, the Liberals won the election, so you'll have just have to grouch and bear it, and maybe your preferred party won't behave like such miserable jerks the next time they get a shot at power. Quote
eyeball Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 And that over 50% of my income goes to help a lot of Canadians who gets government services without having to pay for them because the government gets so much from me.This needs to be edited so it makes sense. You want me to provide free medical care to the whole world now?No, just people who can't provide their own in Canada. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 The Trudeau government has re-instated full benefits for failed and bogus refugees as well as a gold-plated set of benefits for all others. The Conservative government had removed most benefits for failed refugees - except for those conditions that would endanger public health. This was part of a package of initiatives to encourage bogus/failed refugees to leave the country ASAP and not continue to drain the public purse. The Conservatives also reduced coverage for Vision and Dental care - benefits that most Canadians are obliged to pay for out of pocket - to better align benefits with those of ordinary Canadians. How does this make sense? There is nothing gold plated about the basic health care provided. According to you they should just die in the streets? In Canada? Well ... it's over. You lost. . Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 11, 2015 Report Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) There is nothing gold plated about the basic health care provided. According to you they should just die in the streets? In Canada? Well ... it's over. You lost. . Argus has already started blaming McGuinty and Wynn. The Tories are utterly incapable of admitting their falws. In the eyes of partisan even the most loathsome attack on the vulnerable can be justified because "taxes!" And yet they'll blame everyone else for the Tories' loss. It's the media's fault. It's stupid voters. It's everything but the jerks who ran the Harper government like it was a personal vendetta machine. I'm glad they lost, and I hope electoral reform finally separates the more strident partisans from whatever the Tories need to become to be competitive. They can go form their own party. Maybe they can call it that Anti-progressive Conservatives, and tell us all from a position of irrelevance and impotence how poor people and refugees are to blame and how, if they got power, they'd make them all pay. Edited November 11, 2015 by ToadBrother Quote
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