Parrish: Should She Join NDP?

[caesar]

You should never call anyone idiots or bastards, especially the Americans. It's rude and ignorant.

So are they (the Americans rude and ignorant plus a few Canadians) However WHY especially the Americans????

There actions are not endearing themselves to anyone.

However, while I did noot hold her to blame for the first remark that slipped out; the latest episode shows that she is getting childish and that is unacceptable for someone in her position.

[Slavik44]

Parish has my support to say what she wants, however I would prefer if she was respectful of President while he is in town, even if the president is a moron or a bastard or both. If Paul Martin were to visit America we would expect America to treat him with respect.

[caesar]

I don't think anyone has to show Bush any respect that he does not deserve. I just feel that she should do it in a more constructive and dignified manner, She is going too far now. I even agree with her criticism of Martin and the way he handpicked candidates. She shoulf have taken the high road and expressed her concerns in a more dignified manner. The "goddamn bastards; slipping out was understandable; the tv show went too far.

[Slavik44]

I don't think anyone has to show Bush any respect that he does not deserve. I just feel that she should do it in a more constructive and dignified manner, She is going too far now. I even agree with her criticism of Martin and the way he handpicked candidates. She shoulf have taken the high road and expressed her concerns in a more dignified manner. The "goddamn bastards; slipping out was understandable; the tv show went too far.

well then forgive me for being the one to quote the bible but, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Perhpas you personally like an eye for an eye, but hey forgive me for quotign ghandi when I say an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If you want to take the moral high road don't take the off ramp.

[Guest eureka]

Who do you imply is below average intelligence. Who do say is too intellectually lazy to inform themselves?

You have very little of the understanding of the nature of the respective economies and little of the nature of business if you really believe it makes one bit of difference what anyone calls anyone else.

The constant cries of the percentages that we export to the US and the amount they send to us as a reason for acring the supplicant is rather pathetic. That will not change one iota even should we greet Bush with an array of banners questioning his parentage or IQ. The people who are "telling ot like it is" are none of the things you call them. They are just people with a little bit more spine.

As I said, Parrish stepped over the line in saying what she did about Martin and the "team." That does not mean it is not true. Parrish should have left the Liberal benches of her own accord in protest to free herself to say those things.

And, as I said before you implied that I did not, no PM would or could put up with that. It is also a reflection, again as I said, on the too powerful role of the PM's ofice that there is not a way of espressing such deep dissatisfaction within the Party.

[caesar]

Yes, I recognize there are a lot of ignorant people who are too intellectually lazy to provide themselves with sufficient knowledge to make intelligent decisions.

Perhaps you were looking in the mirror eh. You and Stoker refuse to seriously listen to the Canadian point of view in your unrelenting defense of American actions that disturbs not only Canadians but many peace loving fair minded people world wide including many Americans.

[kimmy]

Jack Layton talks about the missile defense shield like an informed adult.

Carolyn Parrish talks about the missile defense shield like a spoiled child with Tourette's.

So, of course it is Parrish that gets all the headlines.

Why is it that a poo-flinging monkey like Parrish gets the headlines, while a guy who has done a lot of research into the issue and has articulate things to say, gets little press at all?

Is it a reflection on the news media? Or is it a reflection on the public's short attention span and hunger for easily digestible "takes" on any particular issue?

-kimmy

[caesar]

well then forgive me for being the one to quote the bible but, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

If Canada were the country asking/ nay demanding that the USA join us in attacking a disarming country; I< personally would want them to make us gives our heads a good shake and get moving in the right direction again. I wouldn't want anyone fawning over our country and rubbing our tummies; a good kick in the rear and whatever it takes to make us wake up to reality would be in order to inspire us to get back on track.

Kimmy: I think it is a little bit of both.

[Newfie Canadian]

I don't think anyone has to show Bush any respect that he does not deserve

Maybe, but the office of the President deserves respect, no matter who's sitting in the Oval Office.

Is it a reflection on the news media? Or is it a reflection on the public's short attention span and hunger for easily digestible "takes" on any particular issue?

Stupidity, like sex, sells kimmy.

Here's an elected MP, a representative of the people (supposedly) who we expect to act in a dignified matter in regards to government, and here she is going off like fireworks on Canada Day over Bush.

On the other hand, as you point out, we have Mr. Layton systematically laying out an argument against missile defence, like we would hope and expect. Because of it, he doesn't get the press he deserves and the "poo-flinging monkey" is on the front page of every newspaper and website, which can now be accessed by people from around the world.

Just imagine, that is now the image of Canada floating around the world in cyberspace. Makes you proud, doesn't it?

[caesar]

Maybe, but the office of the President deserves respect, no matter who's sitting in the Oval Office.

Nor this turkey; he has shown no respect for our leaders or our right to independent decisions.

But as you can see; I do agree that it should be done in a more dignified manner. Parrish's little stupid display is on the level of

bush looking under a table in the oval office for WMD like it is all a big joke. Both were acting childish and stupid while the situation calls for serious handling.

[Guest eureka]

Carolyn Parrish was good for amusement, initially in her public attacks on Bush. She has gone to far, domestically but not internationally.

Her statements were unwise and could have been made more diplomatically but that misses the point. The diplomatic condemnations of Bush have to be made at the highest levels and, as far as Canada is concerned, they were not being made. A backbencher with a conscience had little choice but to behave as Parish has done.

The very idea that we should treat "the office" with respect even though we despise Bush, arouses me to fury. It is the office holder that is the issue not the office.

Bush is a sadistic butcher and a religious fraud as well as a buffoon. He deserves no respect and has thoroughly earned the scorn of every decent person. He came to office with a record of complicity in the state murder of many innocents in his own state as governor, He has since been responsible for the deaths of probably 100,000 Iraqis and possibly a few thousand of his own countrymen from the military.

His domestic policies are going to cost thousands of American lives through a worsening of the health care and welfare systems.

And all for nothing except his vanity and greed.

Many of us might have handled this better than Parrish in her place but she deserves credit for her willingness to put her own career and reputation on the line.

Her firing and her problems with her party have nothing at all to do with the larger issue. The role of a backbencher in a Parliamentary party system should be completely separated in any unbiased debate.

[The Terrible Sweal]

You should never call anyone idiots or bastards, especially the Americans. It's rude and ignorant.

Why 'especially the Americans'?

[Black Dog]

Parrish is supposed to representing the best interests of Canada as a Parliamentarian. As such she does not have the right to shoot off her mouth and insult the President of a country who in many cases provides for our livelihoods.

Everybody now: Man those new clothes the Emperor is wearing sure are nice. For all the caterwauling from the America first factions, I've yet to see any evidence that parrish's comments ever even registered south of th eborder, let alone had any impact. If you want to blame somebody for the chill in Canada U.S. relations, look to Washington and its protectionist trade policies.

Yes, I recognize there are a lot of ignorant people who are too intellectually lazy to provide themselves with sufficient knowledge to make intelligent decisions.

That's quite a dexterous maneuver. Did you have to have some ribs removed to pull that off?

[kimmy]

For all the caterwauling from the America first factions, I've yet to see any evidence that parrish's comments ever even registered south of th eborder, let alone had any impact.

http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/cover111904b.htm

November 19, 2004

Carolyn Parrish was accorded a free ride for her anti-American tirades--until the Drudge Report checked in.

Drudge prominently displayed the infamous picture of Parrish’s expensively booted foot crushing a George W. Bush doll over the story of her upcoming Canadian Broadcast Corporation (CBC) foot-stomping stunt.

Today the Liberal MP’s debut on CBC’s This Hour Has 22 Minutes foot-stomping antics takes the backseat as a marginalized Parrish rendered her swan song from the abysmal ranks of the Canadian independent. Canada Prime Minister Paul Martin finally got around to firing his mean-mouthed backbencher yesterday–and that story is up on Drudge too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/19/internat...l/19briefs.html

CANADA: PREMIER FIRES ANTI-AMERICAN LAWMAKER Prime Minister Paul Martin ejected a longtime critic of American foreign policy from the Liberal Party's caucus in the House of Commons after she was taped stomping on a George W. Bush doll for a television comedy show. The dismissal of the lawmaker, Carolyn Parrish, who represents a heavily Muslim district in the Ontario city of Mississauga and has made a series of strongly anti-American comments, was intended to demonstrate Mr. Martin's desire that President Bush, widely unpopular in Canada, receive a respectful, if not warm, reception when he arrives for a visit on Nov. 30. Mr. Martin's action leaves his hold over the House of Commons even more tenuous. Without Ms. Parrish, the Liberals hold a shaky 134-seat plurality with three minority parties controlling 172 seats, enough to bring down the government if they unite to do so.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02552-5945r.htm

Anti-Bush Canadian MP expelled

OTTAWA, Nov. 18 (UPI) -- Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin expelled a parliament member from his party because of her criticism of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Carolyn Parrish was removed from the ruling Liberal Party following her appearance on a television comedy show in which she stamped on an effigy of Bush, the BBC reported.

Martin acknowledged Parrish's right to express her views frankly, but he said he could not tolerate a behavior that demeaned and disrespected others.

Parrish will now sit as an independent in the Canadian parliament.

Analysts said her dismissal may further weaken the party which was returned to power in June as a minority party.

Parrish, who represents a district near Toronto, has made several outspoken comments in the past.

President Bush is scheduled to visit Canada at the end of the month.

[Slavik44]

well then forgive me for being the one to quote the bible but, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

If Canada were the country asking/ nay demanding that the USA join us in attacking a disarming country; I< personally would want them to make us gives our heads a good shake and get moving in the right direction again. I wouldn't want anyone fawning over our country and rubbing our tummies; a good kick in the rear and whatever it takes to make us wake up to reality would be in order to inspire us to get back on track.

Kimmy: I think it is a little bit of both.

hold on a second ther ehis a huge difference between critisizing and insulting.

Calling some one a bastarad or a moron is insulting, however giving someone a swift kick in the butt, through arguements against what they are doing is perfectly fine. Carolyn Parish has not argued against bush just insulted him. She can do whatever she want's thats fine, but perhpas isntead of instead of insultign bush she shoudl argue with him. DO NOT, do not confuse beign respectfull with being a minion they are two completley different things. You can be respectfull and still openly disagree with someone.

[Newfie Canadian]

The role of a backbencher in a Parliamentary party system should be completely separated in any unbiased debate.

Agreed.

The diplomatic condemnations of Bush have to be made at the highest levels and, as far as Canada is concerned, they were not being made

AND have to be made diplomatically, that is with maturity, sensibilty and understanding of the ramifications that damage to the relationship could bring. The same is true if it is the US president, a provincial premier or the leader of another country.

The very idea that we should treat "the office" with respect even though we despise Bush, arouses me to fury. It is the office holder that is the issue not the office.

What I meant is, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings and Queens come and go, but the office remains.

How many people out there, north and south of the border, make the distinction between Bush the President and the Office of the President? Very few. And while we should oppose Bush the President, the Office in which he serves, no matter how much he screws it up, deserves better.

I saw an interview Parrish had on Newsworld this morning, and a lot of what she said made sense, particularly about the riding nomination fights apparently precipitated by Martin. When she speaks sensibly and maturely, I can sympathize with and understand her. But her rants of the past year are too much.

[Black Dog]

So basically, kimmy, Parrish was completely off the radar for America until this week.

(BTW, dude: the Freep? Couldn't you have found a real news source?)

[maplesyrup]

Canada Free Press = Toronto Free Press = Fascism

[kimmy]

So basically, kimmy, Parrish was completely off the radar for America until this week.

You inferred that because I didn't post any links from prior to the doll-stomping incident? No; I only posted links relating to the doll-stomping incident because we were discussing the doll-stomping incident.

If I must, I can go back and post some of the links I found (during 2 minutes of Googling) pertaining to her analysis of the US election results. Or, you could go do it yourself. But it is easy to find evidence that her comments about Bush and her comment that US voters were scarred by 9/11 were not overlooked and not generally well-received.

(BTW, dude: the Freep? Couldn't you have found a real news source?)

Canada Free Press = Toronto Free Press = Fascism

Dude: the point was not the editorial prowess of the Toronto Free Press. It was simply that Parrish's latest shenanigans were reported in the Drudge Report. You guys probably don't think much of Drudge either, but it has a massive readership. Point being: no, this didn't escape notice south of the boarder.

-kimmy

[maplesyrup]

-more lying from our PM?

Martin was in the dark for hours about Parrish stepping on Bush

[Guest eureka]

I would never stomp on a Bush doll but I am going out to buy a package of pins!

[Big Blue Machine]

Of course, Martin knew what Parrish did.

[August1991]

Jack Layton talks about the missile defense shield like an informed adult.

Carolyn Parrish talks about the missile defense shield like a spoiled child with Tourette's.

So, of course it is Parrish that gets all the headlines.

No, that's just evidence that Canadians have greater concerns than missile defence. (Missile defence? Huh?)

Why is it that a poo-flinging monkey like Parrish gets the headlines, while a guy who has done a lot of research into the issue and has articulate things to say, gets little press at all?

If Kimmy goes scatalogical, that means Kimmy's a cross-dresser.

Carolyn Parrish was good for amusement, initially in her public attacks on Bush. She has gone to far, domestically but not internationally.

She went too far, Liberally speaking. PM PM needs an anti-American, Leftist foil within the Liberal Party. Call her a Serge Joyal, or a Walter Gordon.

Bush is a sadistic butcher and a religious fraud as well as a buffoon.

Your opinion, MS. How many Canadians believe as you do?

So basically, kimmy, Parrish was completely off the radar for America until this week.

(BTW, dude: the Freep? Couldn't you have found a real news source?)

Wow, Kimmy and BD go at it!!

Sorry, Kimmy, I tend to agree with BD here (S/he's on top.) PM PM gets a few US headlines, Andy Warhol 15 minutes, but softwood and beef are different.

PM PM's message is to Canadians: I want to get along with Americans.

IOW, PM PM is about to find himself between a rock and a hard place.

Of course, Martin knew what Parrish did.

Big Blue Machine, I hope you understand that every post you send to Maple Leaf Web is recorded on Lethbridge/Google servers for eternity. This means that when you turn 33 and decide to make your move into politics, some journalist is going to find all your posts to this web site and then publish them.

BBM, have you thought about how future voters will perceive your postings?

[caesar]

She got the boot; not for her remarks or action concerning Bush but for her attacks on Martin and the liberal party. She doesn't belong in the Liberal party at this time feeling the way she does. She is better sitting as an independent. She did show a little class by admitting Martin did the right thing in bouncing her from the party; that she would have done the same.She does have a lot of good ideas; she just needs to express herself a little better and not tie herself to a party she no longer respects. With a different leader; she may well be welcomed back.

[maplesyrup]

Earlier only 30% of Canadians thought Parrish did the right thing.

Now close to 40% (38%) of Canadians think Parrish did the right thing.

Give this a few more days, when more details come out, and the support for Parrish could top support for Martin on this US issue.