ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rona-ambrose-elected-interim-conservative-leader-1.2643708 I was a little surprised she ran for the interim job, since I thought she was interested in the permanent position. Quote
Wilber Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Nothing stopping her from running for that to when the time comes. Good chance to show her stuff. Or not. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Nothing stopping her from running for that to when the time comes. Good chance to show her stuff. Or not. Wouldn't that be a bit odd, though? Conflict of interest and all that. Has an interim leader run before? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Posted November 5, 2015 Nothing stopping her from running for that to when the time comes. Good chance to show her stuff. Or not. It's my understanding that the Tories were going to do what the Liberals did in 2011; name an interim leader who would not be in the running for the permanent leadership position. I do understand that the rules of the leadership contest haven't been decided yet, but it would strike me as being very unfair that an interim leader, with the resources at their disposal, competing for the permanent job. Quote
Ash74 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Hope Muclair didn't trash Stornoway. He seemed a little depressed after the election. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Hope Muclair didn't trash Stornoway. He seemed a little depressed after the election. I doubt Harper and the CPC MPs were dancing in the streets either... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Nothing stopping her from running for that to when the time comes. Good chance to show her stuff. Or not. Exactly, the subject will be brought up at the next party conference (early next year)..........Though Ms. Ambrose wouldn't have been my first pick as (interim) leader, I do agree that it will give her the chance to sink or swim, and then the party can decide if they would want to give her the big chair. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) The party constitution forbids an interim leader from running for party leader. 10.9.1 The parliamentary caucus shall appoint an Interim Leader of the Party who shall exercise the powers and responsibilities of the Leader until a new Leader has been selected. A person appointed as Interim Leader may not be nor become a candidate in the leadership selection process http://www.conservative.ca/media/documents/constitution-en.pdf MP Ambrose cannot run for party leader. Edited November 5, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 It's my understanding that the Tories were going to do what the Liberals did in 2011; name an interim leader who would not be in the running for the permanent leadership position. I do understand that the rules of the leadership contest haven't been decided yet, but it would strike me as being very unfair that an interim leader, with the resources at their disposal, competing for the permanent job. She hasn't formally declared her intention to run for the permanent leadership........not that I'd oppose it, if she does well, as leader of the Official Opposition....... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The party constitution forbids an interim leader from running for party leader. http://www.conservative.ca/media/documents/constitution-en.pdf MP Ambrose cannot run for party leader. The Party Constitution can be voted on and changed by the party membership. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The Party Constitution can be voted on and changed by the party membership. They can change the constitution to anoint Don Cherry as permanent party leader too.... so what? As the party's constitution is currently written, Ambrose can't run for party leader. Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Posted November 5, 2015 The Party Constitution can be voted on and changed by the party membership. True, but it strikes me that there is a very good reason an interim leader should not be able to run in a leadership race. I would expect that Ambrose understands, as did the other seven candidates, that this was a job that would exclude them from the running. Quote
Ash74 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 I doubt Harper and the CPC MPs were dancing in the streets either...No I would think not. But Harper took it on the chin and didn't go into hiding. Not very dictator like of him. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 They can change the constitution to anoint Don Cherry as permanent party leader too.... so what? As the party's constitution is currently written, Ambrose can't run for party leader. No, but it can be changed with a single motion and vote put forth to the party membership, as such, it doesn't mean much, nor do I see your point........Rona Ambrose can't run in the leadership race......unless members of the CPC want her to Quote
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) No I would think not. But Harper took it on the chin and didn't go into hiding. Not very dictator like of him. Really? Where was he? Seems he made himself available a whole 24 hours or so prior to Mulcair. Big deal. Edited November 5, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 No, but it can be changed with a single motion and vote put forth to the party membership, as such, it doesn't mean much, nor do I see your point........Rona Ambrose can't run in the leadership race......unless members of the CPC want her to Never let facts get in the way of a Derek#2 opinion... she can't run. Is there a move afoot to change it? Please provide a cite. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 True, but it strikes me that there is a very good reason an interim leader should not be able to run in a leadership race. I would expect that Ambrose understands, as did the other seven candidates, that this was a job that would exclude them from the running. As I said, she hasn't made it public that she intended to run in the leadership race......I would assume, based on performance and polling, if she does well, then she would run and the party wouldn't exclude her........hence the subject is moot. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Never let facts get in the way of a Derek#2 opinion... she can't run. Is there a move afoot to change it? Please provide a cite. What is your reason for getting personal? cite As interim leader, Ambrose will not likely be eligible to run for the permanent job, but the rules around a leadership contest are not expected to come before January. Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Posted November 5, 2015 As I said, she hasn't made it public that she intended to run in the leadership race......I would assume, based on performance and polling, if she does well, then she would run and the party wouldn't exclude her........hence the subject is moot. Well, at the moment the rules say she can't run in the leadership. Yes, the Tories could decide to change that rule, but in practical terms, I doubt they will. There are good reasons for it, and if Ambrose does that fantastic a job (or, for that matter, has the job that long at all) she could always resign to make her bid. Besides, when exactly would the CPC make this change? At the leadership convention itself, at some other occasion prior to the bid? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 As I said, she hasn't made it public that she intended to run in the leadership race......I would assume, based on performance and polling, if she does well, then she would run and the party wouldn't exclude her........hence the subject is moot. I would find such a move very odd if she did. Has it ever happened before in Canada's history? The Conservatives have lots of excellent potential candidates, although I am surprised so many of them risked ruling themselves out of the real race by running for the consolation prize. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 I would find such a move very odd if she did. Has it ever happened before in Canada's history? The Conservatives have lots of excellent potential candidates, although I am surprised so many of them risked ruling themselves out of the real race by running for the consolation prize. As I said in the other CPC leadership thread, she wouldn't be my first choice, but what would be even odder, is if she performed well and was received well by Canadians, for the party to go with someone else due to internal party rules that could be changed at the annual party meeting, with ballots mailed to the membership. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Well, at the moment the rules say she can't run in the leadership. Yes, the Tories could decide to change that rule, but in practical terms, I doubt they will. There are good reasons for it, and if Ambrose does that fantastic a job (or, for that matter, has the job that long at all) she could always resign to make her bid. Besides, when exactly would the CPC make this change? At the leadership convention itself, at some other occasion prior to the bid? Annual party meetings, then voted on by party members from a mailed out ballot. Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Posted November 5, 2015 As I said in the other CPC leadership thread, she wouldn't be my first choice, but what would be even odder, is if she performed well and was received well by Canadians, for the party to go with someone else due to internal party rules that could be changed at the annual party meeting, with ballots mailed to the membership. By all accounts, Bob Rae did a fantastic job, and there were even some Liberals who were more than mildly suggesting that maybe they should stick with him. It was much to Rae's credit that he saw the interim role for what it was, a time for the party to heal its wounds, rebuild and reunite. If Ambrose wants to help her party, she should do what Rae did, work to guide the Tories through the next while, and then bow out. After all, there are a lot of rumors flying around that Rae may be up for being an Ambassador, both the US and UK positions are opening up. An interim leader may not get the top job, but sometimes the consolation prize ain't too shabby. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 By all accounts, Bob Rae did a fantastic job, and there were even some Liberals who were more than mildly suggesting that maybe they should stick with him. It was much to Rae's credit that he saw the interim role for what it was, a time for the party to heal its wounds, rebuild and reunite. If Ambrose wants to help her party, she should do what Rae did, work to guide the Tories through the next while, and then bow out. After all, there are a lot of rumors flying around that Rae may be up for being an Ambassador, both the US and UK positions are opening up. An interim leader may not get the top job, but sometimes the consolation prize ain't too shabby. Since she wasn't my first choice (or 2nd or 3rd...maybe 4th) for the permanent leadership and she has only been Interim leader for a few hours, I'll await to she how she performs prior to casting judgement.........as I said though, if she does well and appears electable for 2019, I'd have zero qualms with her having the big chair. Quote
Topaz Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The next Tory permanent leader will probably be a male, former Alliance member because Harper 's Alliance members wouldn't want the party to go back to the PC. Quote
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