Long Form Census

[Shady]

You don't actually think he cares, do you?

Just like you don't actually care about Justin Trudeau's reckless and irresponsible budget.

[Smallc]

I don't care because almost every reputable economist says you're wrong.

[cybercoma]

It was a serious question. Cyber is a past master of misrepresenting the things other people are saying, and demanding that they repeat things that have already been clearly laid out. I'm just trying to understand why his reading comprehension skills are so low.

I must have really gotten under your skin since it has been insult after insult over several replies now, even ones addressed to others. You've yet to articulate how you're under duress though and the longer it goes without you explaining this dire threat to your well-being the funnier this gets. I can only assume you mean the laws around the census which is why I asked you if things like complying with the speed limit are duress. You know, they issue fines to speeders too.

[msj]

Yep, pretty much comes down to: hmm, is shady and Bryan credible or are other economists and common sense?

Economists and common sense easily wins.

[August1991]

How do you know most people lie? I do not nor do most of the people that I deal with.

People lie when it matters. And if it doesn't matter, they make up numbers - typically making them feel better.

When it comes to statistics: what people do is far better than what people say.

I (we) cooperate because we believe that the process is important to run our country efficiently.

BigGuy, we probably agree that co-operation accomplishes more than competition. But how to obtain co-operation? There's the rub.

Other than Shakespeare, I suggest "A Beautiful Mind".

[msj]

People lie when it matters. And if it doesn't matter, they make up numbers - typically making them feel better.

I don't know every question on the current long form census but I do know that the income questions have been removed as statscan will rely on CRA data for that.

So I wonder what other numbers are going to be made up in the responses?

Ages?

[August1991]

I don't know every question on the current long form census but I do know that the income questions have been removed as statscan will rely on CRA data for that.

So I wonder what other numbers are going to be made up in the responses?

Ages?

StatsCan is coordinating with CRA for data? I'm surprised that the CRA would be so foolish to even admit this.

Did the CRA say this - or did StatsCan?

Edited May 9, 2016 by August1991

[The_Squid]

People lie when it matters. And if it doesn't matter, they make up numbers ...

So... what you contend is that people ALWAYS lie... when it matters and when it doesn't matter....

If this is the case, why would anyone ask another question about anything ever again???

lol

Did you actually mean to type that?

Edited May 9, 2016 by The_Squid

[jacee]

Not everywhere. Just the information they are forcing people to divulge anyway, only visible to the people authorized to access it.

Did you specify to them when you gave them the info just who they are and are not allowed to share it with?

Do you want them to just make those decisions for you?

You are not being realistic about that.

Currently government departments are not allowed to share your personal info ... unless you are under watch for terrorism.

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Edited May 9, 2016 by jacee

[dre]

Yes the lost legacy of structural budget responsibility as oppose to Justin Trudeau's complete destruction and disregard for it. Yay Canada!

Oh right. Do you mean all the huge deficits run by the Conservatives? Or do you mean the TRILLION dollars added to Canada's household debt as a result of monetary policy under the conservatives?

Structural budget responsibility? ROLFMAO.

[Topaz]

First of all, ANY country at war is going to have huge debts because the military is very expensive. As far as the census, I did mind online and I'm not sure if its was the long one or the short.

[Bryan]

I must have really gotten under your skin since it has been insult after insult over several replies now, even ones addressed to others. You've yet to articulate how you're under duress though and the longer it goes without you explaining this dire threat to your well-being the funnier this gets. I can only assume you mean the laws around the census which is why I asked you if things like complying with the speed limit are duress. You know, they issue fines to speeders too.

See, you're doing it again, misrepresenting what was said.

1) I already answered the question. I provided the actual definition of duress. Your argument is with reality. Contrary to contemporary progressive opinion, things do not become what you wish they were if you just dream hard enough.

2) I asked you a serious question, and I did not level a single insult. I truly do want to know if there is a reason why you have so much trouble following what others are saying to you. It's the exact opposite of an insult -- rather than mocking you, I'm trying to understand what your difficulty is.

[cybercoma]

I'm not misrepresenting anything. In fact, I drew a clear comparison between the only possible thing that could even remotely be considered threatening here (the census law) and other laws where you're required to do something or face a fine--speeding or obeying traffic signals. Maybe you feel it's misrepresenting you because you now realize how foolish you look saying you're under duress filling out the census. Characterizing fines under the law as duress is so overly dramatic it's hilarious, especially when you compare the vast number of fines you can incur while driving. How about another comparison since you don't like that one. Do you feed the parking meters downtown "under duress?"

Edited May 9, 2016 by cybercoma

[Bryan]

I'm not misrepresenting anything. In fact, I drew a clear comparison between the only possible thing that could even remotely be considered threatening here (the census law) and other laws where you're required to do something or face a fine--speeding or obeying traffic signals. Maybe you feel it's misrepresenting you because you now realize how foolish you look saying you're under duress filling out the census. Characterizing fines under the law as duress is so overly dramatic it's hilarious, especially when you compare the vast number of fines you can incur while driving. How about another comparison since you don't like that one. Do you feed the parking meters downtown "under duress?"

Avoiding tickets and parking meters is easy -- just don't participate in the action that could incur them. There is no option to not participate in the census. With your other examples, the solution is stasis. Do nothing and you'll have no issues. The census is legal compulsion to participate. If you don't do it, they send people to your house to threaten you, and to attempt to force you to do it.

[Smallc]

And?

[cybercoma]

Maybe Bryan thinks Statistics Canada employees carry guns.

[Bryan]

And?

And nothing. I was addressing Cyber's lack of understanding of a basic dictionary definition, and explaining why his analogies don't apply the way he thinks they do.

[Bryan]

Maybe Bryan thinks Statistics Canada employees carry guns.

No, but they do threaten to call in people who do carry them.

[Smallc]

No, but they do threaten to call in people who do carry them.

The law is not duress. You're twisting the definition of a word in order to suit your misguided agenda.

[cybercoma]

Bryan, the issue is that you're happy to reap the benefits of living in a civilized society, but you don't want the responsibility that comes with that. Filling out the census once in awhile is your civic responsibility, just like voting.

[Bryan]

The law is not duress. You're twisting the definition of a word in order to suit your misguided agenda.

Being forced to participate in something with no option to opt out nor any way to avoid it.

Again:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/duress

force or threats meant to make someone do something

[Bryan]

Filling out the census once in awhile is your civic responsibility

No it isn't. I have no duty to supply any personal information with anyone if I don't want to.

[cybercoma]

That's entirely incorrect. If you're stopped by the police you're required to identify yourself.

[Smallc]

No it isn't. I have no duty to supply any personal information with anyone if I don't want to.

You do actually - the census.

[Bryan]

That's entirely incorrect. If you're stopped by the police you're required to identify yourself.

That isn't exactly accurate either. The driver of a vehicle might have to prove that he's legally entitled to be driving the car by providing license and insurance, but even that is only under the context of a legitimate investigation of a highway traffic act offence, The passengers in that car would not have to identify themselves if they chose not to. The police do not have the right to just grab anyone they want and demand ID.