UN Climate Change Summit -- Paris 2015 - continued

[overthere]

How would you suggest they get there, hitchhike? Of course they flew, how many other planes flew that day? I suppose there is some sort of a point in this lame idea, but what's more important is what might come out of this conference.

No, I would expect that partisan poiltical hacks with no actual skin in that game and absolutely nothing to offer to anybody at that conference stay home and do the work that the taxpayers pay them for.

I know, it is radical.

[overthere]

The French President personally asked him to meet with the Indian Prime Minister to try to change his position, for one.

and the indian PM could not be bothered, cancelling his appointment .

And the result: nothing.

Lets be honest, the Paris Canadian swarm is really intended to play to the doughheads at home who lap this crap up. And it works.

[Argus]

Wouldn't you if your job took you to Paris?

Your question is entirely unrelated to mine.

[overthere]

Could it be he's brown nosing?

You are absolutely correct, but you have the wrong guy.

It isn't Coderre who is brown nosing, it's a guy at a much higher level than that. Coderre is and will be Trudeaus Montreal area bagman. Yu always need a trusted and experienced hand to distribute the cash, and Coderre has long experience in this regard. Best of all, he is not an MP so has PMO deniability. And now we know why Coderre was there.... mostly away from the press.... those private discussions with The Boss on how, when, and most of all: who.

[Keepitsimple]

I'm waiting for the costs to roll in on sending the PM, Premiers, bureaucrats and their entourages to Paris. As "inclusive" as it was trumpeted, the final bill should be pretty sobering. Just another layer to the "Canada is Back" meme - hang onto your wallet.

[capricorn]

You are absolutely correct, but you have the wrong guy.

It isn't Coderre who is brown nosing, it's a guy at a much higher level than that. Coderre is and will be Trudeaus Montreal area bagman. Yu always need a trusted and experienced hand to distribute the cash, and Coderre has long experience in this regard. Best of all, he is not an MP so has PMO deniability. And now we know why Coderre was there.... mostly away from the press.... those private discussions with The Boss on how, when, and most of all: who.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I had not thought of that angle.

[Smallc]

I'm waiting for the costs to roll in on sending the PM, Premiers, bureaucrats and their entourages to Paris. As "inclusive" as it was trumpeted, the final bill should be pretty sobering. Just another layer to the "Canada is Back" meme - hang onto your wallet.

I'm sure you (like I) defended the bill for sending Harper's car to India. People in glass houses...

[Keepitsimple]

I'm sure you (like I) defended the bill for sending Harper's car to India. People in glass houses...

....and the decisions and actions of the PM's security advisers have exactly what.....to do with Trudeau's personal decision to take the Premiers to Paris?

To be honest, I'm not opposed to that decision but if you'll remember, it seemed that every time Stephen Harper took a trip anywhere, there was an accounting of costs that ended up in the media in a not-so-favourable way - and of course, made it's way to the CBC political shows. Hopefully, that had a lot to do with easier Access to Information, slow news and lazy journalism. So I'll be expecting the same not-so-favourable slant when the Paris costs roll in.

[Smallc]

....and the decisions and actions of the PM's security advisers have exactly what.....to do with Trudeau's personal decision to take the Premiers to Paris?

To be honest, I'm not opposed to that decision but if you'll remember, it seemed that every time Stephen Harper took a trip anywhere, there was an accounting of costs that ended up in the media in a not-so-favourable way - and of course, made it's way to the CBC political shows. Hopefully, that had a lot to do with easier Access to Information, slow news and lazy journalism. So I'll be expecting the same not-so-favourable slant when the Paris costs roll in.

I'm not sure that your memory is correct. There has already been evidence of comparable interest in Liberal costing and costs - witness the faux nanny scandal.

[overthere]

I'd like to see what the CBC presence abroad has cost in the last few weeks.

They'll have to sell even more of their high sought world class programming to pay for all the crews and talking heads that have been in Paris and elsewhere, reporting on The Anointed.

[Keepitsimple]

I'm not sure that your memory is correct. There has already been evidence of comparable interest in Liberal costing and costs - witness the faux nanny scandal.

That faux "faux scandal" was/is not about costs - and you know that.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[Keepitsimple]

As it turns out, we sent 383 people to Paris - more than Australia, the UK and the United States - combined!

The massive Canadian contingent at the UN climate-change conference in Paris was originally estimated at 350 people, but it appears the trans-Atlantic road trip has expanded. The “provisional list of participants” just released by the UN has an amazing 383 names from Canada, ranking us among the largest entourages in the entire confab.

Don’t nitpick over the newly bloated number, as it’s understandable some jet-setting bureaucrats may have been initially overlooked during such a busy travel period. If you’ve ever seen the classic Christmas film “Home Alone” you’ll know how easy it is to get the head count wrong during a mad dash to Paris.

“Canada is back, my good friends,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the conference, and he wasn’t just blowing greenhouse gases.

Canada has sent more people to Paris than Australia (46), the U.K. (96), the U.S. (148), Russia (313) and almost as many as host-country France (396).

Not a bad turnout for a country that emits just 1.6 per cent of the planet’s greenhouse gases, eh?

Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/smyth-canada-sent-383-people-to-the-u-n-climate-conference-more-than-australia-the-u-k-and-u-s-together

[ReeferMadness]

China must laugh until they cry when they get home from a days meetings with the idiots in Paris.

Really??? Do you really believe that the Chinese are going to laugh until they cry at the prospect of adding more coal powered electricity plants? Take a look at these air quality pictures and see if you can repeat that completely idiotic statement. Maybe the idiots didn't go to Paris at all. And New Delhi is surpassing even Beijing. Of course you forgot to mention that even as it builds fossil fuel electricity, China is the world leader in adding new renewable power generation as well.

Developing countries have a point when they say that the developed world put most of the carbon into the air to date and should be first to clean up their economies. Not only is it the right thing to do, it's in our best interests. With the growth of renewable energy, there's no guarantee that the price of fossil fuels will ever come back to the point that drove the gold-rush mentality that has prevailed in your precious tar sands. And even if it does, it's likely to be short lived. There will come a day when you won't be able to pay people enough to haul away the toxic sludge that is being dug out of Northeastern Alberta. Albertans would have been smart to use the energy dollars to build a sustainable economy instead of having a two decade kegger. The hangover will be a bitch.

[Smallc]

I haven't drank anything, though to be fair the Liberals were always where I was most confortable. The difference between myself and many other former/current Conservative supporters is that I realize the world is far more nuanced than it is simple.

[Smallc]

As it turns out, we sent 383 people to Paris - more than Australia, the UK and the United States - combined!

Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/smyth-canada-sent-383-people-to-the-u-n-climate-conference-more-than-australia-the-u-k-and-u-s-together

Which only underlines the commitment of Canada under Trudeau. The United Stated and Australia are not a model on this.

[ReeferMadness]

As it turns out, we sent 383 people to Paris - more than Australia, the UK and the United States - combined!

No doubt you would prefer that we did what Harper did - send a token cabinet minister and a few low level functionaries with instructions to disrupt the proceedings to the greatest extent possible. Trudeau needs to send a message to the world that Canada is once again taking this seriously.

I support Trudeau inviting the opposition. If they don't think climate change is real or they think that climate change action is all about saving a few owls and polar bears, let them stand up and say that.

Also, Canada has a very weak federal state and Trudeau needs the provinces on board. He's doing the right thing by bringing them along.

[waldo]

As it turns out, we sent 383 people to Paris - more than Australia, the UK and the United States - combined!

Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/smyth-canada-sent-383-people-to-the-u-n-climate-conference-more-than-australia-the-u-k-and-u-s-together

if you actually look at the provisional lists of attendees the UN put out (it's in 4 parts)... which your linked article/author somehow couldn't manage to include... you will quickly realize this is "apples to apples" comparison. Yes, the Canadian list is extensive in terms of federal versus provincial versus territorial government representation; however, it also includes many, many names from industry, from the press, from security details (as in the RCMP), etc.. A quick glance at the U.S. list, for example, includes no names from industry, press, security... the Canadian list per Part 1 of 4:

[honeybee]

Really??? Do you really believe that the Chinese are going to laugh until they cry at the prospect of adding more coal powered electricity plants? Take a look at these air quality pictures and see if you can repeat that completely idiotic statement. Maybe the idiots didn't go to Paris at all. And New Delhi is surpassing even Beijing. Of course you forgot to mention that even as it builds fossil fuel electricity, China is the world leader in adding new renewable power generation as well.

You have been brain washed by western media too. If western media constantly release photos of Toronto in mist and ignore most clear air Toronto images, and always explain those pictures as pollution, then even people in Vancouver can believe Toronto's pollution is much more serious than actual. That what western media always does, why they do like that? the small amount of people who controlled the governments of US, Canada, and others, the real dictators want Arabian Spring happen in China too, they want to destroy Chinese government, and convert it into smaller "democracy" governments, so that they can let the people who can make more profit for them "elected" to be the leader of those countries. Just they want to use IS to destroy Assad government, because Assad does can help Russia, and Russia does not let those people profit in Russia. So even Saudi Arab dictator should be a friend, even a democracy elected Yanukovych should be the enemy. Turkey government must have no relationship with IS oil even with satellite image, And Assad has to be have relationship with IS even IS attack his army.

CO2 must make the earth warm even when water vapor as a green house gas is much more than CO2 and created by the sea, because restrict CO2 can restrict developing country from developing.

Everything has to be talked by US version, must meet US interest. Otherwise, truth has to be lie, lie has to be truth.

[Keepitsimple]

Trudeau needs to send a message to the world that Canada is once again taking this seriously.

"once again"? When did Canada take it seriously?

[ReeferMadness]

You have been brain washed by western media too. If western media constantly release photos of Toronto in mist and ignore most clear air Toronto images, and always explain those pictures as pollution, then even people in Vancouver can believe Toronto's pollution is much more serious than actual. That what western media always does, why they do like that?.

Ummmmm....

You seem to be suggesting, without a shred of evidence, that western media are engaged in some vast conspiracy to misrepresent the air quality in China. The Guardian (hardly a right wing publication) reported that Beijing's own mayor called his own city "unlivable".

I'm not going to debate unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Let me know if you have anything substantial to add.

[Keepitsimple]

Which only underlines the commitment of Canada under Trudeau. The United Stated and Australia are not a model on this.

Big splash, that's for sure. Commitment? If it's substantially more than the US, our largest trading partner - then Trudeau should be committed. It's more likely to result in another round of useless, feel-good 30-year unenforcible, "aspirational" targets.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[bush_cheney2004]

Which only underlines the commitment of Canada under Trudeau. The United Stated and Australia are not a model on this.

The United States already contributes far more (published) climate change research and data than Canada, which is not a model for this.

[honeybee]

Ummmmm....

You seem to be suggesting, without a shred of evidence, that western media are engaged in some vast conspiracy to misrepresent the air quality in China. The Guardian (hardly a right wing publication) reported that Beijing's own mayor called his own city "unlivable".

I'm not going to debate unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Let me know if you have anything substantial to add.

Guardian is a western media too. The rule is the country is not friend (no satisfied amount of profit can be made), There will be only negative news. almost no positive news. That is for people inside that country to hate its government, and outside that country to support war, sanction, and others.

It is obviously (not a conspiracy) that media always try to hide truth by misleading people, so many people know China pollution but so few people know that there is child die every 10 or 15 second in the world due to hunger. Why media care about more China pollution more children in the world? Are the satellites of the United States worse than Russia, if not, why you don't know that IS oil go to Turkey before Russia make you know it? That is not conspiracy, that is fact.

[ReeferMadness]

Guardian is a western media too. The rule is the country is not friend (no satisfied amount of profit can be made), There will be only negative news. almost no positive news. That is for people inside that country to hate its government, and outside that country to support war, sanction, and others.

It is obviously (not a conspiracy) that media always try to hide truth by misleading people, so many people know China pollution but so few people know that there is child die every 10 or 15 second in the world due to hunger. Why media care about more China pollution more children in the world? Are the satellites of the United States worse than Russia, if not, why you don't know that IS oil go to Turkey before Russia make you know it? That is not conspiracy, that is fact.

You're all over the map. The story that ISIS oil is going through Turkey (as well as Iraq and Jordan) has been reported in the Guardian (and lots of other western media) well before the Russians leaked it. The same western media that you are now accusing of lying about China.

I'm not engaging in this nonsense. Find some evidence to back up your claim about Beijing's air or leave me alone.

[honeybee]

You're all over the map. The story that ISIS oil is going through Turkey (as well as Iraq and Jordan) has been reported in the Guardian (and lots of other western media) well before the Russians leaked it. The same western media that you are now accusing of lying about China.

The sound is too weak that most people can not hear it or easy to forget it.

I'm not engaging in this nonsense. Find some evidence to back up your claim about Beijing's air or leave me alone.

I did not deny Beijing has pollution, Toronto has too. But western media try to give people impression that it is much worse than actual.