overthere Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 There are at least 40,000(forty thousand) 'delegates' at the Paris conference. If only there was a way to save all that carbon and connect them without all that carbon emitted . Somebody should come up with radical technology to enable that- the telegraph and telephone hold promise in this regard. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) ....As to the US "controlling", they pretty much still control much of the world. The US does not control much of the world. However, it does provide a lot more climate change research and data than much of the world....often quoted here on this forum. Odd for the "bankers" to "allow" that. Edited December 1, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Cannuck I would be interested in a whole lot more of what you have to say. For me years ago I was at David Ben Gurion University. At that time in the late 70's they had built an orb, a small orb that looked sort of like an igloo in the desert. It was capable of converting the wind and sun for all the energy it needed for both heating and cooling because as you know in the desert the temperatures go the extremes in range. It also in the middle of the Negev collected sufficient water from the infrequent rain. I saw first hand technology that was cheap and sustainable. So where is it? Why is it not adapted for use throughout the third world? I know people here in Ontario who have built homes made out of recycleable materials and into the ground using the earth and rock as insulation. I know you know all this and how we could be building much better homes than we do now. Hell we've had that know how for years. We've had the ability to put solar powered panels and small wind mills on houses. We can use recycled garbage, hydrogen, etc. The technology has always been there. Farmers have used corn mash and cow poo to power their trackers for ever.. I personally would like to see small business circulate their products but how? How do they go up against the huge elaborate networks of industry that control the markets? Hell don't look now but Saudi Arabia is the biggest investor in solar energy. In any event, I think what really makes me question the current movement is China and India. As long as they can remain exempt, and as long as Indonesia and Brazil continue to do what they do huge climate issues from those 4 nations will continue not to suggest they are the only problems...but China's coal burning is out of control and they have no intention of stopping, India has shown zero interest in its environmental issues including its coal burning, diesel exhaust, and severe water shortage triggered in the Punjab by deep water drilling and the Indonesian and Brazil rain forests are up in flames by farm networks protected by their corrupt regimes. As for Europe, Canada, the US, etc., you get back to me when the same military industrial complex which dominates our market place with the sale of arms, decides to use what maybe 5 to 10% of its abilities on the environment. That is all it will take Good luck switching their minds. Its going to take a lot more than ridiculous pollyana posturing from Justin and carbon tax to implement the extensive international market place changes needed. We are gripped with nations that spend most of their time making weapons and spying on each other's weapons. Good luck changing that. I believe the carbon tax system will simply tax us yet again to be used on anything but the environment. Me I believe its possible but it will have to come at a grass roots level with small business persons saying the hell with it and striking out on their own and not waiting for the governments of the world to support them. Governments for the most part are corrupted and subordinate to the largest lobby groups not small business. That's my friggin opinion for what its worth. Edited December 1, 2015 by Rue Quote
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Andrew Coyne has a cynical take on this thing which pretty much mirrors mine. Basically, it's a waste of time and money. Even if they carried out their plan it would only cause a very minor difference as compared to doing nothing. But since nothing is enforceable it's all so much... hot air. “Canada is back, my good friends,” Justin Trudeau said at the end of his speech to the Paris climate summit, and then he did that thing he does, where he touches his heart with his hand. For fans of self-serving humbug, this was the trifecta: the glib sloganeering, the false humility the gaudy theatricality, and all in the service of — what? Beyond the suggestion, familiar from years past, that “Canada” equals “Liberal,” and the shower of applause in reply from his “good friends” at the conference, it’s hard to say. Certainly in substantive terms it matters not a whit whether “Canada is back,” even supposing that meant anything and even supposing we were. As far as the future temperature of the Earth is concerned, Canada is irrelevant, being responsible for just 1.6 per cent of world emissions of carbon and other greenhouse gases. Any role we might play in Paris is strictly for show. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-any-role-canada-might-play-in-paris-is-strictly-for-show Edited December 1, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 The arrogance of that "Canada is Back" line is vomitous. Taken literally, it actually means that we are back in the Chretien/Martin years - they who recklessly signed onto Kyoto and then completely ignoring the consequences as our emissions blew past the ridiculous targets. So much so that we had to use the "out" clause and withdraw from Kyoto or be subject to billions in penalties. Is that what Canada is Back really means - more empty rhetoric? More feel good platitudes? Perhaps some of us would have hoped that Trudeau would introduce more civility and leave Liberal arrogance behind once and for all. But right off the bat we hear that he's "left his opponents in the dust" and "Canada is Back". Trudeau would be well-served to better mask his innate arrogance/petulance and find his way back to the "high road". Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 The arrogance of that "Canada is Back" line is vomitous. Taken literally, it actually means that we are back in the Chretien/Martin years - they who recklessly signed onto Kyoto and then completely ignoring the consequences as our emissions blew past the ridiculous targets. So much so that we had to use the "out" clause and withdraw from Kyoto or be subject to billions in penalties. Is that what Canada is Back really means - more empty rhetoric? More feel good platitudes? Perhaps some of us would have hoped that Trudeau would introduce more civility and leave Liberal arrogance behind once and for all. But right off the bat we hear that he's "left his opponents in the dust" and "Canada is Back". Trudeau would be well-served to better mask his innate arrogance/petulance and find his way back to the "high road". Maybe it simply means that we are back to taking scientists seriously instead of just firing/muzzling them. Quote
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Maybe it simply means that we are back to taking scientists seriously instead of just firing/muzzling them. You mean like Chretien did when he signed up for Kyoto then did nothing whatsoever to live up to his signature? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 You mean like Chretien did when he signed up for Kyoto then did nothing whatsoever to live up to his signature? Give it a few weeks. We're going to see a lot of that sort of thing. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 You mean like Chretien did when he signed up for Kyoto then did nothing whatsoever to live up to his signature? You mean the one your Mr. Harper abandoned? Quote
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 You mean the one your Mr. Harper abandoned? Yes, that one. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Yes, that one. Right, so perhaps we now have someone in charge who takes science seriously. Quote
eyeball Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Remember how that idiot NASA alarmist said that if the oil sands development goes ahead it's "game over" for the planet? Well, India is going to add the equivalent of 11 oil sands every year for the next twenty years. Where's the shock and alarm? You started driving past it about 25 or 30 years ago. I see you're still laughing your ass off. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Right, so perhaps we now have someone in charge who takes science seriously. And the evidence for this what? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 And the evidence for this what?Attending cop 21 for a start. Harper would have sent some flunky if he bothered at all. Now we wait to see what shakes out. Quote
Smallc Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Attending cop 21 for a start. Harper would have sent some flunky if he bothered at all. Now we wait to see what shakes out. How can you know that? Harper went to Copenhagen. He didn't play as great of a role there as Trudeau is in Paris, I'll grant you that. Quote
overthere Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Attending cop 21 for a start. Harper would have sent some flunky if he bothered at all. Now we wait to see what shakes out. I see. Taking a massive delegation via carbon spewing aircraft, many of whom have nothing to do with the subject, is an indication that Trudeau takes himself and cronyism seriously, not the environment. Can you explain what Denis Coderre, he that spews 8 billion liters of unreated turds intot he St Lawrence, adds to the COP 21 program? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 How can you know that? Harper went to Copenhagen. He didn't play as great of a role there as Trudeau is in Paris, I'll grant you that. Ummm, Trudeau is playing a role all right, for the equally massive CBC presence. Really, nobody else gives a rats ass what Canada thinks, says or does. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Smallc Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Ummm, Trudeau is playing a role all right, for the equally massive CBC presence. Really, nobody else gives a rats ass what Canada thinks, says or does. Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what's actually been happening there. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 How can you know that? Harper went to Copenhagen. He didn't play as great of a role there as Trudeau is in Paris, I'll grant you that. We shall see what comes out of Paris, but of course Copenhagen was a total waste of time. And of course we have Harper's record of his concerns for the environment. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 I see. Taking a massive delegation via carbon spewing aircraft, many of whom have nothing to do with the subject, is an indication that Trudeau takes himself and cronyism seriously, not the environment. Can you explain what Denis Coderre, he that spews 8 billion liters of unreated turds intot he St Lawrence, adds to the COP 21 program? How would you suggest they get there, hitchhike? Of course they flew, how many other planes flew that day? I suppose there is some sort of a point in this lame idea, but what's more important is what might come out of this conference. Quote
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Posted December 1, 2015 Attending cop 21 for a start. Harper would have sent some flunky if he bothered at all. Now we wait to see what shakes out. Because he took a plane to Paris and is enjoying the champagne and h'orderves that means he believes in science? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Can you explain what Denis Coderre, he that spews 8 billion liters of unreated turds intot he St Lawrence, adds to the COP 21 program? Could it be he's brown nosing? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
On Guard for Thee Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Because he took a plane to Paris and is enjoying the champagne and h'orderves that means he believes in science?Wouldn't you if your job took you to Paris? Quote
overthere Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what's actually been happening there. I see CBC shamelessly kissing his ass 24/7, for the benefit of us back in Canuckistan. What do you see happening other than that. Not in domestic hudkerterism, but in anybody actually caring what Canada does. The best the CBC correspondent could come up with yesterday was approval from an unnamed delegate(one of the 40,000) he supposedly spoke to from an unnamed country. Seriously. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Smallc Posted December 2, 2015 Report Posted December 2, 2015 I see CBC shamelessly kissing his ass 24/7, for the benefit of us back in Canuckistan. The French President personally asked him to meet with the Indian Prime Minister to try to change his position, for one. Quote
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