Scotty Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 If this election was a referendum on anything, it was a referendum on the refugee crisis, since that dominated much of the early campaign discourse (along with the ridiculous niqab "debate"). Trudeau got his mandate and the Tories were embarrassed by losses in ridings that had almost never been Liberal in the past. If people were so concerned about the refugees, they wouldn't have voted Liberal in droves. Do you really think the refugees played any significant part in the election? The only people I know who mentioned it mentioned it negatively for Mulcair and Trudeau, including those who wound up voting for them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 The people you know aren't the electorate. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 When the Star shows more support for Harper on a subject like this than other leaders I take that to be a survey free of bias. So when a poll shows results that you agree with then it is free of bias.... lol Very ironic, considering that your statement shows confirmation bias. Quote
Scotty Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 So when a poll shows results that you agree with then it is free of bias.... lol Very ironic, considering that your statement shows confirmation bias. No, if the poll I quoted was put out by the Sun or Post you might have a point. But it was from the Star, which loathes the ground Harper walks on. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
The_Squid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 No, if the poll I quoted was put out by the Sun or Post you might have a point. But it was from the Star, which loathes the ground Harper walks on. So the pro-Harper Sun puts out unbiased polls when they show pro-Harper results... The Star puts out biased polls if they showed negative Harper results... That is your own confirmation bias shining through like a beacon! Quote
Big Guy Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Is 25,000 that big a number considering previous numbers? http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/ Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
dialamah Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Maybe the immediate reaction to the dead child on the beach provoked a more emotional response. A more nuanced survey from the Toronto Star showed Canadians were far more divided, and more in support of Harper than the others. When the Star shows more support for Harper on a subject like this than other leaders I take that to be a survey free of bias. I'm also confident that if a new poll were taken it would find even less Canadians eager to import the same problems Europe is facing. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/11/24-of-canadians-like-tory-plan-on-syrian-refugees-poll-shows.html It would be impossible to 'import' the same problems Europe is facing -- unless it was the Americans, Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Columbians, etc. fleeing their homelands to avoid being bombed out of existence. However, as that isn't happening, then we stand no chance of being overrun at our borders by tens of thousands of displaced people. I think people wanted more than what Harper seemed willing to do, and ultimately decided that helping 25,000 people was acceptable. Quote
Scotty Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 So the pro-Harper Sun puts out unbiased polls when they show pro-Harper results... The Star puts out biased polls if they showed negative Harper results... That is your own confirmation bias shining through like a beacon! I'm not sure if your issue is with a lack of reading comprehension or a lack of understanding of basic English, but your comparison has no relationship to what I wrote. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
The_Squid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I'm not sure if your issue is with a lack of reading comprehension or a lack of understanding of basic English, but your comparison has no relationship to what I wrote. You base whether the poll is "true" or not based on where it appeared and whether it agrees with your own perceptions, not its methodology or anything else about the actual poll. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) This will be a good warm up for when climate change starts driving tens of millions of refugees northward. Europe is in a really tough place alright. Could you please present your immigration model to the IPCC or the scientific community so they can better quantify how climate change will cause all this mass migration? Edited October 23, 2015 by -1=e^ipi Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Could you please present your immigration model to the IPCC or the scientific community so they can better quantify how climate change will cause all this mass migration. Around 97% of leading climatologists already know that. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Around 97% of leading climatologists already know that. This is a joke, right? Please find me evidence that 97% of leading climatologists 'know' that these mass migrations will occur. You realize the 97% number thrown around is not about migration patterns, right? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 This is a joke, right? Please find me evidence that 97% of leading climatologists 'know' that these mass migrations will occur. You realize the 97% number thrown around is not about migration patterns, right? They know about the warming. How it will affect migration is for others to figure out. But when you can no longer grow things to eat you would likely think about pulling up stakes. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I recommend a search for "migration" and "climate change" in Google Scholar... you may find some really interesting stuff. Quote
dre Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Maybe the immediate reaction to the dead child on the beach provoked a more emotional response. A more nuanced survey from the Toronto Star showed Canadians were far more divided, and more in support of Harper than the others. When the Star shows more support for Harper on a subject like this than other leaders I take that to be a survey free of bias. I'm also confident that if a new poll were taken it would find even less Canadians eager to import the same problems Europe is facing. http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/11/24-of-canadians-like-tory-plan-on-syrian-refugees-poll-shows.html YEah! When polls tell you what they want to hear they are "free of bias". LOL. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) YEah! When polls tell you what they want to hear they are "free of bias". LOL. Yes. And when polls tell you what you don't want to hear they are "obviously biased". This view of polls is almost universal among MLW forum posters. You haven't noticed? Edited October 23, 2015 by Bonam Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 They know about the warming. How it will affect migration is for others to figure out. So the '97%' don't know 'that'. Okay, thank you for your retraction. Quote
dialamah Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 They know about the warming. How it will affect migration is for others to figure out. But when you can no longer grow things to eat you would likely think about pulling up stakes. Or if the water has risen enough that your home is beneath it - already happening in some parts of the world. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Yes. And when polls tell you what you don't want to hear they are "obviously biased". This view of polls is almost universal among MLW forum posters. You haven't noticed? Can you point to another time where this happened? I certainly don't see it... certainly not stated so blatantly... Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Posted October 23, 2015 Or if the water has risen enough that your home is beneath it - already happening in some parts of the world. Where might that be? Quote Back to Basics
dialamah Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Where might that be? Tuvalu, Kivalina Alaska, Cataret atoll Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Part of me wants an ISIS terrorist to come into Canada and do something bad. This 25000 # is ridiculous. The US of A, a population 10x our size isn't even allowing that many Syrians to come to their country! Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Part of me wants an ISIS terrorist to come into Canada and do something bad. This 25000 # is ridiculous. The US of A, a population 10x our size isn't even allowing that many Syrians to come to their country! Brilliant comment. If you like Donald Trump kind of "brilliant" And what do we do with Canadians who do something bad? BTW the US accepts a lot of refugees from other countries than just Syria, but yes, they should be embarrassed about their lackluster response to a serious issue. Quote
dre Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Part of me wants an ISIS terrorist to come into Canada and do something bad. Charming... That part of you should probably be locked up. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
angrypenguin Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Charming... That part of you should probably be locked up. Well according to the left, I shouldn't have my passport revoked as i'm a new stock Canadian. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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