Predict how Canada will look like in 4 years

[Hal 9000]

You certainly seem to know how to make huge, unfounded assumptions, that is quite obvious.

Well, nothing we're seeing here is new.

[Smallc]

Well, nothing we're seeing here is new.

Nothing we're seeing here points to your future, either.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well, nothing we're seeing here is new.

Well for starters, I do't know how you see to know that everyone who might migrate here will be 100% unemployable. Lot's of like minded people made the same assumptions about the Irish, the Ukrainians, etc., etc., and all proved wrong. There are always people who find reasons to hide under their beds. luckily there are others who forge ahead and we progress.

[Michael Hardner]

We will have a higher percentage of welfare people than ever before - that's a fact.

How can you call a prediction a 'fact' ?

[Hal 9000]

How can you call a prediction a 'fact' ?

I base my prediction on the facts before me.

Fact; There will be more people taking money from the Gov't

Fact; There will be less people paying money into the Gov't

Fact; The Gov't is going to raise taxes - significantly

Using these facts, it's impossible to believe that things will be better in 4 years than they are now. Financially, it's gonna get worse. Once that is established, the inevitable social problems are easy to predict simply by looking toward England, France, Spain and Greece. Racism and intolerance always...and I mean always trend with the economy.

I'm not saying we'll end up in bread lines and riots, but we are certainly trending the wrong way.

[eyeball]

Our 4-6 year forecast.

In 4 years we'll look much the same as England and France do know. Our major centers will have complete no-go zones (and yes, they do have them to varying degrees in both those countries) with Islam taking hold. In four years, we'll have witnessed a terror attack in Toronto or Montreal, maybe Vancouver.

I'd be more inclined to believe a resurgent Conservative party will be rallied by a base of support that's hollering for no-leave zones for Muslims. Europe's resurgent hard-boiled right-wing politicians will be proposing the first internment camps.

I think we'll be lucky if we've only witnessed one terror attack. I'm surprised we haven't seen a few already.

Edited November 18, 2015 by eyeball

[Guest]

I'd be more inclined to believe a resurgent Conservative party will be rallied by a base of support that's hollering for no-leave zones for Muslims. Europe's resurgent hard-boiled right-wing politicians will be proposing the first internment camps.

I think we'll be lucky if we've only witnessed one terror attack.

I think we've witnessed lots.

[Michael Hardner]

Using these facts...

They're not facts. Putting the word 'fact' in front of some wild imagining you purged from your skull doesn't make it truth.

[eyeball]

I think we've witnessed lots.

A couple of small random lone-wolf attacks, a few thwarted at least one that more resembled a farcical Big Man sting.

I'm talking about the real McKoy. We've just been lucky.

[Guest]

A couple of small random lone-wolf attacks, a few thwarted at least one that more resembled a farcical Big Man sting.

I'm talking about the real McKoy. We've just been lucky.

Sorry, I saw Europe in your post and didn't realise you were talking about just Canada.

I agree. It's not going to stop anytime soon

[Hal 9000]

They're not facts. Putting the word 'fact' in front of some wild imagining you purged from your skull doesn't make it truth.

Well, would you call them strong possibilities?

[Michael Hardner]

Well I won't argue if you call them that, at least. It's arguable.

[Hal 9000]

We know the gov't is gonna raise taxes - Trudeau has said as much...and gas jacked up $0.10 per litre the day he took office.

You know he is gonna bring in 25k welfare cases - this year alone. What about 2016,17,18,19,20.... What might that do to not only our money, but what is the cost to healthcare or schooling these people with zero education who can't even speak english.

How many jobs do we have to secure, that aren't gov't jobs to make up for this? How many jobs have been lost because of the Libs in Ontario or because of oil in Alberta. How many companies are gonna leave Canada, taking jobs with them?

Call it "strong possibilities" if you choose, I'll call them facts. It all takes us to the same predictable conclusions anyway.

P.S - The refugee numbers are only for the Syrians - of course. There are many others coming in too.

Edited November 18, 2015 by Hal 9000

[Smallc]

We know the gov't is gonna raise taxes - Trudeau has said as much

No he hasn't. If they do go up, the net amount will be tiny.

...and gas jacked up $0.10 per litre the day he took office.

Ummm, and?

You know he is gonna bring in 25k welfare cases - this year alone. What about 2016,17,18,19,20.... What might that do to not only our money, but what is the cost to healthcare or schooling these people with zero education who can't even speak english.

You know so much about something that you seem to know so little about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Syria

How many jobs do we have to secure, that aren't gov't jobs to make up for this? How many jobs have been lost because of the Libs in Ontario or because of oil in Alberta. How many companies are gonna leave Canada, taking jobs with them?

You seem to know. Give us a number.

Call it "strong possibilities" if you choose, I'll call them facts.

I'll call them partisan fairy tales with no basis in reality.

[Hal 9000]

No he hasn't. If they do go up, the net amount will be tiny.

Ummm, and?

You know so much about something that you seem to know so little about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Syria

You seem to know. Give us a number.

I'll call them partisan fairy tales with no basis in reality.

WoW! What a well thought out post.

[Smallc]

WoW! What a well thought out post.

Yes, I put as much thought into it as you did. It's really hard to come up with an effective counter for someone's make believe world.

[Hal 9000]

Yes, I put as much thought into it as you did. It's really hard to come up with an effective counter for someone's make believe world.

Well try, or else you're simply a troll.

As I said earlier, "nothing here is new" it's basic sociology 101. Do you not learn from the mistakes of others? Do you not believe in common sense?

[Smallc]

As I said earlier, "nothing here is new" it's basic sociology 101. Do you not learn from the mistakes of others? Do you not believe in common sense?

I believe that you and I lived a very different reality pre Harper Canada. Harper did fine overall. It was time for a change. The same can be said of Chretien and Martin. The same will be true for Trudeau eventually.

Now, do I think that Trudeau is going to make Canada a place that is a whole lot worse to live in? Not for a minute. There's nothing in the Liberal platform that's inherently scary and negative. I think the worst thing about having the Liberals in power is watching thoughtful conservative posters publish partisan hyperbole whilst pulling out their hair.

[msj]

and gas jacked up $0.10 per litre the day he took office.

And, according to gas buddy, since then has gone back down below that level.

This is called noise. There is no signal in this.

Go play with the charts all you want: http://www.gasbuddy.com/Charts

Back in June were you complaining about the price spike from $4.35 to $4.49? (In $ per gallon)

Oh, of course, that was because we were heading into summer yadda yadda blah blah blah.

Then how about the spike in early February and then early March? Were you tying that into any kind of political activity?

No, you probably have a good excuse for those price spikes: CDN $ dropping (and surly that has nothing to do with Harper, right?) or oil price recovery (but that is good because of Alberta, right?) yadda yadda blah blah blah.

The price is going to fluctuate and this is going to coincide with different events each day.

The trick is to realize that markets are much bigger than some politician in a minor country like Canada.

Even in the US one can watch as the usual twits (republican talking heads) have claimed all kinds of bad things coming from Obama (Obamacare, huge deficits) and yet markets there have done quite nicely in the past several years.

So, my advice to anyone is to avoid mixing politics with investing as it just adds another layer of noise thereby making investing decisions more prone to more biases that lead to poor returns.

Edited November 18, 2015 by msj

[msj]

Well try, or else you're simply a troll.

Not to get off topic here, smallc, but maybe this adds some perspective as to CA's point of view over in the moderation thread?

Calling smallc a troll is hilarious to me as he is nothing of the sort. But to each their own opinion!

[Hal 9000]

If you believe what Trudeau says, then you know what I posted is factual.

BTW - You keep using the word partisan, so what? That means nothing to me. You're partisan too, we all are. It is a political site after all.

[Hal 9000]

Not to get off topic here, smallc, but maybe this adds some perspective as to CA's point of view over in the moderation thread?

Calling smallc a troll is hilarious to me as he is nothing of the sort. But to each their own opinion!

If he chimes in to criitcize a post with a snarky remark then chooses to add nothing to the conversation, that is trolling.

[On Guard for Thee]

If he chimes in to criitcize a post with a snarky remark then chooses to add nothing to the conversation, that is trolling.

I didn't have tie to peruse but I would be interested in finding out how you made a prediction into a fact.

[msj]

If he chimes in to criitcize a post with a snarky remark then chooses to add nothing to the conversation, that is trolling.

Hmmm, maybe you should look at your own post #190 then because that little piece of sarcasm certainly added nothing to the conversation so: TROLL!

But seriously, you have convinced me that CA's position in the moderation thread is the right one.

[Hal 9000]

And, according to gas buddy, since then has gone back down below that level.

This is called noise. There is no signal in this.

Go play with the charts all you want: http://www.gasbuddy.com/Charts

Back in June were you complaining about the price spike from $4.35 to $4.49?

Oh, of course, that was because we were heading into summer yadda yadda blah blah blah.

Then how about the spike in early February and then early March? Were you tying that into any kind of political activity?

No, you probably have a good excuse for those price spikes: CDN $ dropping (and surly that has nothing to do with Harper, right?) or oil price recovery (but that is good because of Alberta, right?) yadda yadda blah blah blah.

The price is going to fluctuate and this is going to coincide with different events each day.

The trick is to realize that markets are much bigger than some politician in a minor country like Canada.

Even in the US one can watch as the usually twits (republican talking heads) have claimed all kinds of bad things coming from Obama (Obamacare, huge deficits) and yet markets there have done quite nicely in the past several years.

So, my advice to anyone is to avoid mixing politics with investing as it just adds another layer of noise thereby making investing decisions more prone to more biases that lead to poor returns.

I understand how gas prices work. And. the prices aren't always controlled by outside interests. Prices have gone up in US due to Obama's policies and it will go up here to pay for Trudeau's promises. Gas is easy to tax, just like smokes and alcohol, people will bitch and then pay it anyway - no biggie. Gas prices are all about where you like and what your political leaders want to tax it at. I say we'll hit 2.00 litre and I believe that based on prices that the Euros are paying.

People freak out about 1% increase or decrease in GST or 500$ income tax deduction for whatever, but a 12-15% increase in gas is a small blurb in the news - it's so comical that it's embarrassing.