G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 The funniest thing about Victoria's election is that Cheryl Thomas beat the conservative candidate by .1% despite the fact she had dropped out of the race a few weeks ago! Quote
PIK Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Time for may to resign. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smeelious Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Time for may to resign. We don't know any other greens frankly, and May has done an excellent job. If she were leader of the ...NDP say, they might be the ones with the majority. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 Time for may to resign. We don't know any other greens frankly, and May has done an excellent job. If she were leader of the ...NDP say, they might be the ones with the majority. There is no way May will resign. She is the reason for the party doing well on the Island. She won her seat with over 50% support, in a riding that has generally gone to a conservative party, Reform, Alliance and CPC several elections in a row, until May came along. She is excellent at getting her message in the media... which, for a small "fringe" party, is the most valuable thing they can possibly do. She isn't going anywhere. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 There is no way May will resign. She is the reason for the party doing well on the Island. She won her seat with over 50% support, in a riding that has generally gone to a conservative party, Reform, Alliance and CPC several elections in a row, until May came along. She is excellent at getting her message in the media... which, for a small "fringe" party, is the most valuable thing they can possibly do. She isn't going anywhere. She isn't going anywhere because she's the only elected Green. Whether the party likes her or not, she has the bully pulpit. That being said, the Greens steady fading since 2008 tells me their relevancy is questionable. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Elizabeth May is the only legislator who actually reads the bills that she is asked to vote on. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Elizabeth May is the only legislator who actually reads the bills that she is asked to vote on. Did you take a poll? Quote
Big Guy Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Did you take a poll? No. Surmised that from watching her do interviews and ask questions - questions based on what the government papers were saying. I think she is one of the most respected politicians on the hill. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 She isn't going anywhere because she's the only elected Green. Whether the party likes her or not, she has the bully pulpit. That being said, the Greens steady fading since 2008 tells me their relevancy is questionable. How on earth are the greens steady fading since 2008? We got our first green MP elected, then other MPs defected to the greens (although didn't get elected), and the Green Party of British Columbia got it's first MLA elected. Also many greens have been on Victoria's city council in fact last time I checked most of the City Councillors here were Greens. All this since 2008! Quote
Smallc Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 How on earth are the greens steady fading since 2008? Their vote share has gone nowhere but down, that's how. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 How on earth are the greens steady fading since 2008? We got our first green MP elected, then other MPs defected to the greens (although didn't get elected), and the Green Party of British Columbia got it's first MLA elected. Also many greens have been on Victoria's city council in fact last time I checked most of the City Councillors here were Greens. All this since 2008! Whatever may be happening at the Provincial level, at the Federal level support for the Greens reached its maximum, and in the 2011 and 2015 elections it has steadily fallen. As I said elsewhere, the Greens are phenomenon of Vancouver Island and the South Coast, and I think it's time we stop pretending otherwise. Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) "Their vote share has gone nowhere but down, that's how."Irrelevant people were voting ABH. The Greens are an international phenomenon. People in the world actually value the environment and nature over greed. I know that may be shocking to a lot of you. Edited October 21, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
Smallc Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 "Their vote share has gone nowhere but down, that's how." Irrelevant people were voting ABH. Not in 2011 Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 "Their vote share has gone nowhere but down, that's how." Irrelevant people were voting ABH. The Greens are an international phenomenon. People in the world actually value the environment and nature over greed. I know that may be shocking to a lot of you. As SmallC said, there was not ABH in 2011. May and her supporters can make all the excuses they want, at the moment, the Greens are insignificant outside of a rather small geographical area in south-west BC. Whatever there status as an international movement, they have absolutely no electoral effect in Canada. Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) The Greens had their first MP elected in 2011 so to say it was downhill for the Greens is absurd. Their first elected MLA followed a couple years later. The idea that the Greens have no electoral effect in Canada is absurd. May has done a great job and Weaver is popular in BC. Edited October 21, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 The Greens had their first MP elected in 2011 so to say it was downhill for the Greens is absurd. Their first elected MLA followed a couple years later. The idea that the Greens have no electoral effect in Canada is absurd. May has done a great job and Weaver is popular in BC. They reached their general electoral support top in 2008, and they've been in decline ever since. As I have said repeatedly, they have some support in south-western BC, concentrated on Vancouver Island and the Sunshine Coast, but get beyond that into the Lower Mainland and the rest of BC, and they are just a fringe movement. Nationally, they are nearly as irrelevant as the Marxist-Leninists. Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 "Nationally, they are nearly as irrelevant as the Marxist-Leninists."Few nationally would agree with your belief in this. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) "Nationally, they are nearly as irrelevant as the Marxist-Leninists." Few nationally would agree with your belief in this. Few who? Look at the numbers. In 2008, they reached their highest level of support with 6.78% of the popular vote. In 2011, that dropped to 3.91% of the vote, and the only reason May won was because someone convinced her to actually run in a riding where she had a hope in hell of winning. By this election, they dropped to 3.48%, which is half the popular support they enjoyed in 2008. I gather there were a handful of ridings elsewhere where they came in third, but for most of the ridings, they weren't even a factor. Edited October 21, 2015 by ToadBrother Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Their vote share has gone nowhere but down, that's how.See my earlier comments. The number of votes they've received continue to rise and their support is in pockets. They lost in Fredericton but moved into third. We also have a Green MLA who's tremendous. Quote
Evening Star Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 The Greens are an international phenomenon. People in the world actually value the environment and nature over greed. I know that may be shocking to a lot of you. I didn't think the Green Party of Canada had many ties to international Green Parties. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 See my earlier comments. The number of votes they've received continue to rise and their support is in pockets. They lost in Fredericton but moved into third. We also have a Green MLA who's tremendous. Rise in pockets, but overall in decline. If the Greens were a product line, the manufacturer would be pulling the plug. Rises in a handful of markets while overall the product isn't selling is not an argument for further investment. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Awful analogy. They're trying to raise their exposure by getting more MPs elected in targeted ridings. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Awful analogy. They're trying to raise their exposure by getting more MPs elected in targeted ridings. And how's that working for them? Their support is gradually decreasing, they still have only one MP and if the trend continues, at some point there won't even be enough concentration of support to get May re-elected. How can anyone look at the Greens' performance in the last two elections and imagine they are in some sort of Renaissance? And my analogy sticks. If you can only show any kind of increase in sales in a few select markets, even after multiple marketing campaigns, you're going to start thinking "Maybe there isn't a market here to begin with." Quote
Smallc Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 See my earlier comments. The number of votes they've received continue to rise and their support is in pockets. Their portion of the vote is about half what it was in 2008. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Rise in pockets, but overall in decline. If the Greens were a product line, the manufacturer would be pulling the plug. Rises in a handful of markets while overall the product isn't selling is not an argument for further investment. A product line? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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