The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) 3.4% Nationally... http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?lang=e Some highlights for the Greens (particularly on Vancouver Island): Saanich-Gulf Islands - 54% North Island-Powell River (home of loggers and fish farmers) - 8% Victoria - 33% Courtenay-Alberni - 12% Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke - 20% Cowichan-Malahat-Langford - 17% Nanaimo-Ladysmith (my own riding) - 20% In a few non-Island ridings the Greens did OK... West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country - 9% Kootenay-Columbia - 7% Vancouver-East - 9% Why does Vancouver Island buck the national trend so much? Going across the pond to the Vancouver mainland, the support for the Greens drops dramatically. Vancouver, supposedly known for tree hugging hippies, is very much your typical urban Canadian riding with very little Green support, except the two ridings above. Is this the least conservative region in Canada, or just the most environmentally-conscious? Are there any other ridings across Canada that are pockets of Green support? Edited October 20, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Are there any other ridings across Canada that are pockets of Green support? I scoured riding by riding and couldn't any support anywhere except that modest amount in BC. Except for May's riding and Victoria - where the Greens finished a respectable second - they finished a dismal and distant fourth in every other riding across Canada. Quote Back to Basics
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 I scoured riding by riding and couldn't any support anywhere except that modest amount in BC. Except for May's riding and Victoria - where the Greens finished a respectable second - they finished a dismal and distant fourth in every other riding across Canada. Not true... look at the support above. Around 20% in 3 other Island ridings. Pluse significant support elsewhere in SW B.C. and the Kootenays. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) The Greens are like the BQ of Vancouver Island. Lately I've been thinking each region should have their own provincial party like Quebec does. It's not fair that Alberta Quebec and Ontario call the shots for everyone else. Greens should officially rebrand as BC's representatives federally. Edited October 20, 2015 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
dre Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) 3.4% Nationally... http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?lang=e Some highlights for the Greens (particularly on Vancouver Island): Saanich-Gulf Islands - 54% North Island-Powell River (home of loggers and fish farmers) - 8% Victoria - 33% Courtenay-Alberni - 12% Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke - 20% Cowichan-Malahat-Langford - 17% Nanaimo-Ladysmith (my own riding) - 20% In a few non-Island ridings the Greens did OK... West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country - 9% Kootenay-Columbia - 7% Vancouver-East - 9% Why does Vancouver Island buck the national trend so much? Going across the pond to the Vancouver mainland, the support for the Greens drops dramatically. Vancouver, supposedly known for tree hugging hippies, is very much your typical urban Canadian riding with very little Green support, except the two ridings above. Is this the least conservative region in Canada, or just the most environmentally-conscious? Are there any other ridings across Canada that are pockets of Green support? Because the island is nice and green... The city is already all gross and shitty. The island and the gulf are some of the nicest places in the country so It makes sense to me that people would care about the environment more than if they lived in a place thats gross and shitty. Edited October 20, 2015 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Because the island is nice and green... The city is already all gross and shitty. The island and the gulf are some of the nicest places in the country so It makes sense to me that people would care about the environment more than if they lived in a place thats gross and shitty. OK... possibly true... maybe a little bit inflammatory against cities... and the rest of Canada! haha How do you explain ridings in Cape Breton or Kananaskis, where they are arguably as beautiful as the west coast? Shouldn't there be more Green support in those places? Edited October 20, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
G Huxley Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 What Dre said, but there's also the fact of all the draft dodgers which fled to the Gulf Islands. Quote
TimG Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Lately I've been thinking each region should have their own provincial party like Quebec does. It's not fair that Alberta Quebec and Ontario call the shots for everyone else.Ont & Que have the population so they should have a huge influence on the outcome. BC has a diverse political culture filled with groups that want nothing to do with each other. There is no chance that they would agree on a single party. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Every region should have it. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Because the island is nice and green... The city is already all gross and shitty. The island and the gulf are some of the nicest places in the country so It makes sense to me that people would care about the environment more than if they lived in a place thats gross and shitty.It is also near the seat of government which means a lot of the people in the ridings are pampered government employees who have no stake in industries that would be harmed by regulations. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 It is also near the seat of government which means a lot of the people in the ridings are pampered government employees who have no stake in industries that would be harmed by regulations. This is purely stupid hyperbole with nothing to back it up. The resource industry is also very important, particularly in the more rural areas of this region. Vancouver Island/Coast accounts for nearly one-quarter of the province’s forestry and logging jobs and about half of B.C.’s jobs in fishing, hunting and trapping.In 2013, the largest industries by employment in the Vancouver Island/Coast region were: wholesale and retail trade (15.6% of workers), health care and social assistance (13.9%), accommodation and food services (8.5%), educational services (8.2%), and construction (8.0%). http://www.welcomebc.ca/Live/about-bc/regions/vancouver-island.aspx Hardly a large part of the voting public are "pampered gov't employees". Also, please provide a cite that government employees vote as some sort of uniform block. That's a bold assertion with no basis in fact. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 What Dre said, but there's also the fact of all the draft dodgers which fled to the Gulf Islands. Draft dodgers... ?? How big of a % of the voting public do they make up? Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Hardly a large part of the voting public are "pampered gov't employees". Also, please provide a cite that government employees vote as some sort of uniform block. That's a bold assertion with no basis in fact. If anything, the NDP is a stronger force in Victoria. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 If anything, the NDP is a stronger force in Victoria. I know. They are also a force on the North Island... oh, and the middle Island... Quote
The_Squid Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Posted October 20, 2015 Some other interesting ridings with some Green support: Thunder Bay-Superior North - 14% Fredericton - 3rd place with 12.4% Guelph - 11% Quote
cybercoma Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 The Green Party increased their support in a number of ridings that they focused on but their support fell in other places. Just looking at the Green Party's national support doesn't tell the whole story. It's like the discussion Derek 2.0 and waldo had one time about gun violence. National numbers are down, but there's an increase in pockets around the country that needs to be addressed. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Not true... look at the support above. Around 20% in 3 other Island ridings. Pluse significant support elsewhere in SW B.C. and the Kootenays. What's not true - that they finished a distant and dismal 4th in virtually every riding outside of BC - or that they finished last in most ridings in BC as well? I've already acknowledged the win in Saanich, the second place in Victoria and I believe you've pointed out another 2nd or 3rd in Esquimalt.....but 3.6% of the votes with most concentrated in a few pockets of BC.....let's get serious. These guys should try to get elected as a legitimate Provincial entity and show people that they can be serious. Quote Back to Basics
ToadBrother Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 The Green Party increased their support in a number of ridings that they focused on but their support fell in other places. Just looking at the Green Party's national support doesn't tell the whole story. It's like the discussion Derek 2.0 and waldo had one time about gun violence. National numbers are down, but there's an increase in pockets around the country that needs to be addressed. For the moment, I think it tells enough of a story that only a handful of ridings, most of them in a cluster in south Coastal BC, had any significant Green support. For a party to get elected in any significant numbers in any electoral system is going to mean a wider base of support. Now maybe a new electoral system will just automatically generate that level of support, but for the moment, by the rules we're running elections under now, the Greens are just not a significant factor. Quote
TimG Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 Hardly a large part of the voting public are "pampered gov't employees". Also, please provide a cite that government employees vote as some sort of uniform block. That's a bold assertion with no basis in fact.Its speculation. As a general rule people only favour onerous environmental regulations if they believe (rightly or wrongly) that the regulations will have no negative effect on their livelihood. People are quite self serving. If the greens have support in a region the only possible conclusion is that the major source of jobs in the region is disconnected from industries that attract the ire of the environmentalists. Government/Healthcare/Universities are common sources of jobs disconnected from the industries that create the wealth this country needs to keep running. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 For the moment, I think it tells enough of a story that only a handful of ridings, most of them in a cluster in south Coastal BC, had any significant Green support. For a party to get elected in any significant numbers in any electoral system is going to mean a wider base of support. Now maybe a new electoral system will just automatically generate that level of support, but for the moment, by the rules we're running elections under now, the Greens are just not a significant factor. I wasn't speaking of their general significance. As I said in the past, they're a fringe party. I was speaking to the results of this election versus the last. Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Draft dodgers... ?? How big of a % of the voting public do they make up? In the Gulf Islands I believe the numbers are in the 10s of thousands. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) In the Gulf Islands I believe the numbers are in the 10s of thousands.No way that they are that plentiful.Saltspring Island, the largest Gulf Island, only has a few thousand people living there. Edited October 21, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) The influence on the culture though can be seen to be pretty strong. Edited October 21, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
The_Squid Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 The influence on the culture though can be seen to be pretty strong. Gulf Island culture is certainly unique.... but Saanich-Gulf Islands, May's riding, isn't just the islands. Most of the voting population is NOT on the islands. Quote
G Huxley Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Alot of retirees I guess. The Saanich part is a pretty 'ruralish' riding with a lot of nature. Quote
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