How will I vote in the Manitoba Provincial Election 2016

[blueblood]

Sounds like the relationship between BC and Alberta for many, but with the crash in oil, many seem to be slinking back..........BC currently is one of the few Provinces with a balanced budget and somewhat stable economy......despite that, I'd figure a 50/50 chance that in our election next year, we bugger that up by putting the NDP back in

Yet there is a crash of sorts in all commodities, yet sk as a commodity province is able to absorb this problem reasonbly well and has a roadmap to balanced budgets in the near future.

Manitoba is a lot farther behind and is a lot further behind on industry than sk. The ndp basically milked the province dry to pump up dirty winnipeg which main claim to fame is government.

[Smallc]

Maybe it's because of other forums I belong to, but this view of Winnipeg isn't really as common as it was. Other than this time of year, it's not a dirty place.

If you ask Winnipegers, they'll tell you that the provincial government focuses too much outside of Winnipeg. In fact, that seems true as much of their spending is outside of the perimeter.

Manitoba overall has an economy that is just a bit less per capita than Ontario and BC. It's a very middle of the road place with middle of the road growth. Saskatchewan had a boom, and that's great for them, but it didn't last forever. We're projected to be third in growth going forward.

[blueblood]

Maybe it's because of other forums I belong to, but this view of Winnipeg isn't really as common as it was. Other than this time of year, it's not a dirty place.

If you ask Winnipegers, they'll tell you that the provincial government focuses too much outside of Winnipeg. In fact, that seems true as much of their spending is outside of the perimeter.

Manitoba overall has an economy that is just a bit less per capita than Ontario and BC. It's a very middle of the road place with middle of the road growth. Saskatchewan had a boom, and that's great for them, but it didn't last forever. We're projected to be third in growth going forward.

The provincial govt has to focus on areas out of winnipeg as its a province. One way to mitigate that would be to give city hall more power and adjust the tax scheme to reflect more power to city hall. The province is as such that there is two manitobas, one outside the perimeter and one inside. The indebtedness of manitoba is of great cause for concern as is the huge deficits. One thing i notice is that you see a lot of mb plates in sk, mine included for doing city business.

I do think that something needs to be done about the balance of power and winnipeg the city needing more of their own as its not fair for them to have their money spent elsewhere when winnipeg needs infrastructure itself.

I think the biggest problem is what to do with the mess that is northern manitoba as there is a lot of govt money being spent up there with very little industry giving back...

[Derek 2.0]

Yet there is a crash of sorts in all commodities, yet sk as a commodity province is able to absorb this problem reasonbly well and has a roadmap to balanced budgets in the near future.

Manitoba is a lot farther behind and is a lot further behind on industry than sk. The ndp basically milked the province dry to pump up dirty winnipeg which main claim to fame is government.

So how deep is Manitoba in the red?

Edited April 10, 2016 by Derek 2.0

[Smallc]

So how deep is Manitoba in the red?

Almost $800M this year. Edited April 10, 2016 by Smallc

[Smallc]

The provincial govt has to focus on areas out of winnipeg as its a province. One way to mitigate that would be to give city hall more power and adjust the tax scheme to reflect more power to city hall. The province is as such that there is two manitobas, one outside the perimeter and one inside. The indebtedness of manitoba is of great cause for concern as is the huge deficits. One thing i notice is that you see a lot of mb plates in sk, mine included for doing city business.

I would assume that's because of the lower PST. No way I'm traveling to Yorkton over Brandon. Actually I'm not likely to travel to Brandon when Winnipeg is almost as close.

[Derek 2.0]

Almost $800M this year.

Of an annual budget of what?

[Smallc]

Of an annual budget of what?

~$13B

[Derek 2.0]

~$13B

Ouch.......

[Smallc]

Ouch.......

Ouch indeed.

It's on a GDP of ~$64B, so about 1.25%.

[Bryan]

Almost $800M this year.

Our credit rating didn't get down graded over $800M. It's the over $21B total debt that has doubled since 2008 that is the problem.

[blueblood]

I would assume that's because of the lower PST. No way I'm traveling to Yorkton over Brandon. Actually I'm not likely to travel to Brandon when Winnipeg is almost as close.

The rate of growth of yorkton has been spectacular given its proximity to regina and saskatoon.

And the amt of mb licence plates across the line in saskatoon, regina, and yorkton contribute to said growth

[Smallc]

The rate of growth of yorkton has been spectacular given its proximity to regina and saskatoon.

And the amt of mb licence plates across the line in saskatoon, regina, and yorkton contribute to said growth

The same could be said of growth in Steinbach or Mordon - Winkler (or even Winnipeg or Brandon). I'ts simply that different parts of each province are doing well. Manitoba growth has been above the national average for years. It's not because they've done a terrible job that I'm not voting NDP. It's time for a change.

I think it's mostly people in the far west of the province that go to Saskatchewan. Even where I live it's a rare thing.

Edited April 10, 2016 by Smallc

[blueblood]

The same could be said of growth in Steinbach or Mordon - Winkler (or even Winnipeg or Brandon). I'ts simply that different parts of each province are doing well. Manitoba growth has been above the national average for years. It's not because they've done a terrible job that I'm not voting NDP. It's time for a change.

I think it's mostly people in the far west of the province that go to Saskatchewan. Even where I live it's a rare thing.

Id say its more service based growth (which im skeptical of in grand scheme of things) than overall growth. I like sks growth as there is primary, manufacturing, and service sector growth

[Smallc]

Id say its more service based growth (which im skeptical of in grand scheme of things) than overall growth. I like sks growth as there is primary, manufacturing, and service sector growth

Manitoba has a far larger manufacturing sector than Saskatchewan. Much of the growth in the places I mentioned is directly related to that. Morden - Winkler, Stenbach, Altona, and Brandon all have a very large number of manufactures, as do many other places south of the Trans Canada. Not everywhere is Dauphin.

It's also worth noting that Canada's economy is almost 2/3 service related.

[blueblood]

Manitoba has a far larger manufacturing sector than Saskatchewan. Much of the growth in the places I mentioned is directly related to that. Morden - Winkler, Stenbach, Altona, and Brandon all have a very large number of manufactures, as do many other places south of the Trans Canada. Not everywhere is Dauphin.

It's also worth noting that Canada's economy is almost 2/3 service related.

Which ties in to strong primary and secondary industries.

Sk is far more spread out with its manufacturing. Whats really unfortunate for sk is how skittish the world is on nuclear power these days.

[Smallc]

I actually won't be voting. I had to work at my advance poll, and suddenly I have to work at the neighbouring regular poll.

[Hydraboss]

So Notley is the last remaining NDP government in Canada. Good for Manitoba and good for Canada as a whole.

Just one more provincial government to turn conservative and the West is again complete.

[Smallc]

I felt bad for my MLA. He was the only reason that my (cancelled) vote was going to be difficult.

[Hydraboss]

Pretty hard swing for the NDP - 40 of 57 to the PCs. I'm thinking that this is a foreshadowing of what will happen in Alberta in a few years if the deficit spending keeps happening. Or, as in the case of Manitoba, there are tax increases against political promises not to do so.

Sellinger made a fatal mistake with the PST increase, so I hope the Notley gang are listening up. 16+ years is a hell of a run though....

[?Impact]

So Notley is the last remaining NDP government in Canada

One could also say that Pallister is the only Conservative government in Canada, turning the tide back on a brand that suffered the past few years.

Congratulations Brian, you have a strong mandate it will be interesting to watch over the next 4 years.

[cannuck]

It doesnt hurt that the neighbour to the west is on a prosperous tear. So much more going on in both the rural and urban parts of sk. 2 new potash mines being built for 2020 and they arent bhp...

Oh and the ndp got shellacked in sk 5:1 along with the leader losing his seat.

Manitobans see that the grass has been greener in sk for quite some time now and its going to be very hard to play catch up.

Our "tear to prosperity" is not some kind of surge ahead, it is merely catching up after a half century of failed experiments with socialism. Manitoba will do the same - even better - as the fundamentals of their economy are more in place. It did not suffer nearly as much from Crow Rates and the Wheat Board as it was far less dependent on agriculture. It also has a vestige of a private investment ca[ital market in Winnipeg and that capitalist culture simply never existed here on more than an entrepreneurial scale.

[Smallc]

Our "tear to prosperity" is not some kind of surge ahead, it is merely catching up after a half century of failed experiments with socialism.

That's really not the case. Saskatchewan has a per capita GDP far larger than that of non oil producing provinces.

[overthere]

That's really not the case. Saskatchewan has a per capita GDP far larger than that of non oil producing provinces.

SK also has significant revenue from potash, uranium, forestry and agriculture.

Manitoba will do the same - even better - as the fundamentals of their economy are more in place.

One of the 'fundamentals' of their economy is about $2 billion per year every year in equalization, which is unique in the Western provinces.

So Notley is the last remaining NDP government in Canada. Good for Manitoba and good for Canada as a whole.

Just one more provincial government to turn conservative and the West is again complete.

The West does not exist any more. BC is on their own, by choice, and is not friendly to AB or SK. The Balkanization of Canada is pretty much complete, It is all just competing regions/provinces pitted against each other now.

[Hydraboss]

The West does not exist any more. BC is on their own, by choice, and is not friendly to AB or SK.

While true, my comment was more aimed at the fact that "right leaning" governments are retaking our side of Canada. BC's Liberals are pretty much SoCred (conservative), the Saskatchewan Party is conservative, Manitoba is conservative...the only one left is Alberta. The remainder of this mandate and we'll rid ourselves of this NDP infestation.

You're 100% right about Balkanization though. This country is only a confederation on paper - we are nothing more than a group of self-interested regions that share a military.

Just glad that Manitoba is back in the club. Half of my family is from Winnipeg and I was getting tired of hearing them whine so much.....