blueblood Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Blue blood How do you reconcile the current low-tax but spend-anyway which has increased our current debt so badly if you believe in fiscal responsibility? The tories delivered on balancing the budget as promised in the 2011 election. By drawing a line on spending it should keep taxes down over the long term. As far as spending to deal with the financial crisis, it was the lesser of three evils. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I call it a dog whistle that harpers time is up. Its not being a pathetic sucker, its hilding your nose and voting for the party that is most in line with your views. Who knows the next leader might be warm and fuzzy and the next one might not be I vote cpc based on their fundamentals of low tax, low deficit, tougher on crime, and things like that, not because harper is the leader. I think thats what the editor is trying to get tory voters to think in that mindset. This endorsement isn't aimed at those of you who have had your votes made up since day 1. This endorsement is a plea to those undecided voters who might have still considered voting CPC based on the economic argument but have since decided against CPC because they've become disgusted with the CPC tactics. He's pleading for those people to forget all the stuff about the campaign that they've become disgusted by and just focus on the economy. "Guys! I get that you're angry about the fear-mongering, the demonizing of Muslims, the wedge politics, the outright fabrications, and so-on. But guys! Let's just focus on the economy! That other stuff is disappointing to me, too, but maybe Stephen Harper will resign after the election! Maybe a new leader will return the Conservatives to being a Big Tent party! And all that stuff you're angry about would go away! Let's just consider the possibility! It could happen! Please?" -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) "Guys! I get that you're angry about the fear-mongering, the demonizing of Muslims, the wedge politics, the outright fabrications, and so-on. But guys! Let's just focus on the economy! That other stuff is disappointing to me, too, but maybe Stephen Harper will resign after the election! Maybe a new leader will return the Conservatives to being a Big Tent party! And all that stuff you're angry about would go away! Let's just consider the possibility! It could happen! Please?" -k Can you please provide a cite to the editorial that you're quoting? Edited October 17, 2015 by Canada_First Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Can you please provide a cite to the editorial that you're quoting? Clearly, she's editorializing the editorial. Do you have anything that says she's wrong? If anything, I don't think she went far enough. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I'm not quoting directly, I'm paraphrasing the contents of the Globe & Mail endorsement as well as his comments in his Q&A that I liked to earlier today. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Clearly, she's editorializing the editorial. Do you have anything that says she's wrong? If anything, I don't think she went far enough. If I see words in quotes like that I expect to see a source. Qualified statements only please. I only deal with facts. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I'm not quoting directly, I'm paraphrasing the contents of the Globe & Mail endorsement as well as his comments in his Q&A that I liked to earlier today. -k Ok. So you admit that you're just making it up. Ok. Thank you for tge clarification. I appreciate it and your honesty. Quote
blueblood Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 This endorsement isn't aimed at those of you who have had your votes made up since day 1. This endorsement is a plea to those undecided voters who might have still considered voting CPC based on the economic argument but have since decided against CPC because they've become disgusted with the CPC tactics. He's pleading for those people to forget all the stuff about the campaign that they've become disgusted by and just focus on the economy. "Guys! I get that you're angry about the fear-mongering, the demonizing of Muslims, the wedge politics, the outright fabrications, and so-on. But guys! Let's just focus on the economy! That other stuff is disappointing to me, too, but maybe Stephen Harper will resign after the election! Maybe a new leader will return the Conservatives to being a Big Tent party! And all that stuff you're angry about would go away! Let's just consider the possibility! It could happen! Please?" -k I see your point. This election is essentially a referendum on harper and the tea leaves say his time is up. I think its good for the voters to be aware of the possibility that leaders can get turfed quite easily. The problem is with the cpc being branded as the harper party and not the conservative party. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Ok. So you admit that you're just making it up. Ok. Thank you for tge clarification. I appreciate it and your honesty. I admit that I've provided an accurate summary of his argument. The link to the article is provided in the opening post of this thread. The relevant portion of the editorial is also quoted in the opening post of the thread: It is not time for the Conservatives to go. But it is time for Mr. Harper to take his leave. He can look back on parts of his record with pride, but he has undone himself and his party with a narrowness of vision and a meanness of spirit on a host of issues, from voting rights to crime and punishment to respect for science to respect for the courts. The topper has been how this election campaign was sidetracked into an artificial, American-style, culture war over niqabs and “barbaric cultural practices.” The spectacle of a prime minister seemingly willing to say anything, or demonize anyone, in an attempt to get re-elected has demeaned our politics. And while it may have firmed up the old Reform base, it also solidified the Harper Conservative Party as a party of, by and for that base. And I provided a link to his Q&A and his comments there a couple of pages back. Anybody is free to make up their own mind as to whether my summary of his ridiculous position is fair and accurate. Which of course it is. Have a nice day, and don't drink too much Kool-Aid! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I see your point. This election is essentially a referendum on harper and the tea leaves say his time is up. I think its good for the voters to be aware of the possibility that leaders can get turfed quite easily. The problem is with the cpc being branded as the harper party and not the conservative party. Thats the plan of the left. Everywhere you look they call them Harper conservatives and have for years. They've done it on purpose. Quote
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I see your point. This election is essentially a referendum on harper and the tea leaves say his time is up. I think its good for the voters to be aware of the possibility that leaders can get turfed quite easily. The problem is with the cpc being branded as the harper party and not the conservative party. And do you think the Kenney Party would be substantively different than the Harper Party? Do you envision the Kenney Party becoming the broad-minded, Big Tent that Mr Walmsley hopes to see the CPC become post-Harper? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Thats the plan of the left. Everywhere you look they call them Harper conservatives and have for years. They've done it on purpose. Perhaps you are not aware it was Harper himself who branded it the Harper government. You make your bed, you lie in it. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Perhaps you are not aware it was Harper himself who branded it the Harper government. You make your bed, you lie in it. I'm not a politician therefore I have no bed to make politically. Your post makes no sense. Are you saying that I'm a Tory MP? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I'm not a politician therefore I have no bed to make politically. Your post makes no sense. Are you saying that I'm a Tory MP? I'm saying your insinuation that it was the left who led the way to referring to the current government as the Harper government is wrong. It was Harper himself who directed the government letterhead be changed to same. Quote
blueblood Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 And do you think the Kenney Party would be substantively different than the Harper Party? Do you envision the Kenney Party becoming the broad-minded, Big Tent that Mr Walmsley hopes to see the CPC become post-Harper? -k I dont know, is kenney going to be the guy it do they go with a guy from the brad wall school of doing things. That also depends on what party brass decides on how to do things. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I'm saying your insinuation that it was the left who led the way to referring to the current government as the Harper government is wrong. It was Harper himself who directed the government letterhead be changed to same. Presumably this question can be resolved. I always found it odd to refer to the Canadian government by somebody's name. It is not one person's property. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 What's clear is that it's easy to make the principled choice. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 What's clear is that it's easy to make the principled choice. What if you feel the principled choice is ousting the Tories? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I dont know, is kenney going to be the guy it do they go with a guy from the brad wall school of doing things. That also depends on what party brass decides on how to do things. Vote for us. We'll find someone later! Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 What if you feel the principled choice is ousting the Tories? Then do the right thing and vote NDP. They actually have principles not backroom dealings. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Then do the right thing and vote NDP. They actually have principles not backroom dealings. But what if the NDP have no chance of winning in my riding, and I still want the Tories gone? Are you saying I'm unprincipled? Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Vote for us. We'll find someone later! I've seen governments on the cusp do some fairly bizarre things, but I think this is the first time I've seen a governing party campaign on the premise that if they get elected, they'll get another leader. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 But what if the NDP have no chance of winning in my riding, and I still want the Tories gone? Are you saying I'm unprincipled? No. I don't judge people but if I were to act in this manner I'd be politically promiscuous. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 No. I don't judge people but if I were to act in this manner I'd be politically promiscuous. I have no idea what "politically promiscuous" even means. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I have no idea what "politically promiscuous" even means. It means the same thing as sexually promiscuous but with political parties. Quote
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