Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Because the NDP were the best option at the time. That's unlikely the case this time. Selinger was the same guy with the same policies then as he is now. You voted for him because the NDP more closely represents your political worldview than the federal or provincial conservative parties do. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Selinger was the same guy with the same policies then as he is now. You voted for him because the NDP more closely represents your political worldview than the federal or provincial conservative parties do. I agreed with him more than the alternative on the balance of the issues. It doesn't look like it will break down that way this time, provided health and infrastructure spending remain strong from the PC side. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I agreed with him more than the alternative on the balance of the issues. It doesn't look like it will break down that way this time, provided health and infrastructure spending remain strong from the PC side. The PCs will most likely be campaigning on spending cuts, living within our means, getting our credit rating back, etc. Do you support that? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 So Harper is a dictator that can be voted out? Sounds like domocraCy to me. really? Maybe you need to learn the definition of democracy. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 really? Maybe you need to learn the definition of democracy.How can Harper be a dictator yet be voted out at the same time? Dictators are rulers for life. Like Castro etc. Isn't this an exaggeration? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I don't remember any of Mulroney or Chrétien's MPs being thrown in jail. I don't remember their parties pleading guilty to election fraud and tampering with evidence. I don't remember their sitting governments being found in contempt of parliament. But hey, you keep telling yourself how ethical Harper's party has been if that makes you feel better about your vote. Sounds like "Harper Derangement Syndrome" is actually better applied to the his die-hard core whose ideological blinders won't allow them to see what's going on. The international media has been calling Canada out in a way I've never seen before. It's embarrassing to call this guy a Canadian, much less Prime Minister. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 How can Harper be a dictator yet be voted out at the same time? Dictators are rulers for life. Like Castro etc. Isn't this an exaggeration? He can certainly behaves as an autocrat within his own party, and with a majority government, can project that throughout the government largely unfettered. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The PCs will most likely be campaigning on spending cuts, living within our means, getting our credit rating back, etc. Do you support that? Moved to provincial politics Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 He can certainly behaves as an autocrat within his own party, and with a majority government, can project that throughout the government largely unfettered.I don't see how Chretien or PET was any different. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 really? Maybe you need to learn the definition of democracy. He's actually right - Harper isn't a dictator, and calling him such is hyperbole. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 He can certainly behaves as an autocrat within his own party, and with a majority government, can project that throughout the government largely unfettered. Sure, but he's not a dictator. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see how Chretien or PET was any different. It's more that there's been a progression over the years in terms of power concentration in the PMO. Hopefully Trudeau the younger will reverse that as promised. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I don't see how Chretien or PET was any different. The centralization of pretty much all executive functions of the government into the PMO is Harper's innovation. Let's call him the end of long chain of PM's taking unto themselves the powers that belong to Cabinet. PET, Mulroney and Chretien still relied heavily on Cabinet, and according to Sheila Copps, not even Chretien was this much of a control freak. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 He's actually right - Harper isn't a dictator, and calling him such is hyperbole. What he actually said was that being able to vote a dictator out constitutes democracy. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The centralization of pretty much all executive functions of the government into the PMO is Harper's innovation. Let's call him the end of long chain of PM's taking unto themselves the powers that belong to Cabinet. PET, Mulroney and Chretien still relied heavily on Cabinet, and according to Sheila Copps, not even Chretien was this much of a control freak. I'm not sure about that. The phrase "Who do you know in the PMO?" is a cynical description of how business got done in the Chretien years. It predates Harper by quite some time. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I like a firm leader who has control over the country. We don't need a limp wristed wimp at the helm. Strong leaders are rare. We need to celebrate when we have one. It's just that we're not used to having a strong leader so when we get one people are taken aback. I Canada we're used to leaders who let foreigners usurp our values with foreign values. We used to rolling over and giving our country away to immigrants. When that stops for a while they freak. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I like a firm leader who has control over the country. We don't need a limp wristed wimp at the helm. Strong leaders are rare. We need to celebrate when we have one. It's just that we're not used to having a strong leader so when we get one people are taken aback. I Canada we're used to leaders who let foreigners usurp our values with foreign values. We used to rolling over and giving our country away to immigrants. When that stops for a while they freak. In other words, you like autocrats. Which is fine. You vote Tory if you want someone who has a "firm hand". Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 How can Harper be a dictator yet be voted out at the same time? Dictators are rulers for life. Like Castro etc. Isn't this an exaggeration? No. Dictators are people who wield absolute authority. Lots of them rule for life because they have absolute authority. Harper is not literally a dictator (although he's got the type of arrogance that suggests he thinks he should be) but he has exercised autocracy to a degree that hasn't previously been seen in Canada. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
kimmy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Certainly! If you like what Stephen Harper brings to the table, vote CPC. I agree wholeheartedly! But if you don't like the CPC in its current state but you vote CPC anyway because the Eeeediot In Chief at the Globe & Mail says that if the CPC win, Harper might resign and you could get the warm-fuzzy centre-right party you wish we had, then you're a pathetic sucker. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Certainly! If you like what Stephen Harper brings to the table, vote CPC. I agree wholeheartedly! But if you don't like the CPC in its current state but you vote CPC anyway because the Eeeediot In Chief at the Globe & Mail says that if the CPC win, Harper might resign and you could get the warm-fuzzy centre-right party you wish we had, then you're a pathetic sucker. -k It really was possibly the worst endorsement in history. "Vote the party in my mind..." Quote
Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Certainly! If you like what Stephen Harper brings to the table, vote CPC. I agree wholeheartedly! But if you don't like the CPC in its current state but you vote CPC anyway because the Eeeediot In Chief at the Globe & Mail says that if the CPC win, Harper might resign and you could get the warm-fuzzy centre-right party you wish we had, then you're a pathetic sucker. -k People still read newspapers? Might as well read from stone tablets. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 It really was possibly the worst endorsement in history. "Vote the party in my mind..." I wonder what went on. Maybe David Walmsley argued that he couldn't, in good conscience support Harper and the dictate from the top said "You will endorse the Conservatives". And this is what came out? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
blueblood Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Certainly! If you like what Stephen Harper brings to the table, vote CPC. I agree wholeheartedly! But if you don't like the CPC in its current state but you vote CPC anyway because the Eeeediot In Chief at the Globe & Mail says that if the CPC win, Harper might resign and you could get the warm-fuzzy centre-right party you wish we had, then you're a pathetic sucker. -k I call it a dog whistle that harpers time is up. Its not being a pathetic sucker, its hilding your nose and voting for the party that is most in line with your views. Who knows the next leader might be warm and fuzzy and the next one might not be I vote cpc based on their fundamentals of low tax, low deficit, tougher on crime, and things like that, not because harper is the leader. I think thats what the editor is trying to get tory voters to think in that mindset. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
BC_chick Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Posted October 17, 2015 Blue blood How do you reconcile the current low-tax but spend-anyway which has increased our current debt so badly if you believe in fiscal responsibility? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 How do you reconcile the current low-tax but spend-anyway which has increased our current debt so badly if you believe in fiscal responsibility? It's a false premise. The big spending was opposition policy. Lower taxes resulted in greater government revenues which allowed the Conservatives to erase the deficit in record time. Current debt to GDP is very low, one of the best in the world. Quote
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