This is actually the saddest election year I have ever seen.

[G Huxley]

Wow just when I didn't think Canadian politics could reach a deeper abyss. This election has shown the true nature of the three leading parties. A bunch of political opportunists willing to sell democracy and/or their grandmothers to get elected.

Edited September 22, 2015 by G Huxley

[Canada_First]

Wow just when I didn't think Canadian politics could reach a deeper abyss. This election has shown the true nature of the three leading parties. A bunch of political opportunists willing to sell democracy and/or their grandmothers to get elected.

This isn't new. Politicians are basically well dressed sociopaths.

[Vancouver King]

A month out I pray the KPMG tax avoidance scam has legs - this would be a good fit for an NDP attack.

[Michael Hardner]

Wow just when I didn't think Canadian politics could reach a deeper abyss. This election has shown the true nature of the three leading parties. A bunch of political opportunists willing to sell democracy and/or their grandmothers to get elected.

Can you provide a cite, or some examples please ? This isn't really enough to start a discussion.

[PIK]

Harper has been the most honest of the 3. By far. Mulcairs numbers are out of whack and trudeau is all over the place, he should not even be in the race. Now hux you are becoming on of the saddest posters here, you need to get out more.

Edited September 22, 2015 by PIK

[G Huxley]

Can you provide a cite, or some examples please ? This isn't really enough to start a discussion.

Yes.

1. The anti-democratic movement to sideline May in the debates using Machiavellian methods of political hijinx to do it. This shows that The Conservatives followed by the NDP do not believe in Democracy. The Conservatives have shown their complete contempt for Democracy following David Cameron's lead in the UK. The NDP should take Democracy out of their name and the N too as they aren't new anymore. They should simply call themselves "The Party."

2. The Orwellian Bill C-51 The Conservatives followed by the Liberals have shown that they are happy to turn Canada into a total surveillance panopticon like the US/UK/Stasi/Totalitarian China. Democracies don't spy on all the Demos. This is a national disgrace.

3. Each party has promised the moon in order to get elected, Harper is throwing out bribes left right and center to get elected and the NDP and liberals are also throwing out promises of bribes to get elected.

4. Each of these parties are scrambling to say who can let in the most refugees, which brings up #5, which actually should probably be closer to the top. My stance against refugees and immigration in general is based on the destruction to the environment of population growth. Of course keeping the Greens out of the debate reiterates how much contempt there is against the environment in Canada.

5. Both the Conservatives and Liberals who have ultimately gone along with it are continuing the Neocon crusade in the Middle East, which has torn the region to pieces and caused all these refugees in the first place.

I'm sure the public can think of many more reasons to be disgusted with the three main parties. I certainly can, but I'll leave these as the top 5 which shows my disgust for them off the top of my head.

Edited September 22, 2015 by G Huxley

[ReeferMadness]

I think the Conservative success in the last two elections with attack ads and other anti-democratic tactics has resulted in the other two main parties adopting the strategy of sticking strictly to talking points. That's why the debates have become such impoverished events where people simply spout talking points instead of answering the questions.

I heard Andrew Coyne contrast these debates with the 1979 debate between Trudeau, Broadbent and Clark. I encourage people to go to youtube and hear people actually debate their own policies instead spin the others.

To me the low point of the Globe Debate was where Harper announced that the other parties would just open the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees. It's really difficult to characterize his statement as anything other than a blatant falsehood.

[Freddy]

Wow just when I didn't think Canadian politics could reach a deeper abyss. This election has shown the true nature of the three leading parties. A bunch of political opportunists willing to sell democracy and/or their grandmothers to get elected.

You fell for the hype and now your disappointed?

If your a environmentalist then vote May. It's not to difficult for you.

But It's not sad if you support Harper.

It's embarrassing If you support the other two leaders.

May apparently is doing ok. But as far as I'm concern environmentalist are irrelevant.

If you want to feel guilty because of the existence of the humans race, then by God. Waist your life feeling guilty. Be my guess. its kind of a pathetic way to live your life in my opinion.

This rock has survived much bigger cataclysm then humans burning fossil fuels. How man ice age have we had? How many meteors?

We are a natural phenomenon. I'd just say, Enjoy it, It's a rare occurrence that only happens very rarely too be alive. Stop wasting it feeling guilty about something you have no control over.

Edited September 23, 2015 by Freddy

[G Huxley]

"But It's not sad if you support Harper."

De Sade's ghost will be quite happy if you still support Harper by this point.

[G Huxley]

I think the Conservative success in the last two elections with attack ads and other anti-democratic tactics has resulted in the other two main parties adopting the strategy of sticking strictly to talking points. That's why the debates have become such impoverished events where people simply spout talking points instead of answering the questions.

I heard Andrew Coyne contrast these debates with the 1979 debate between Trudeau, Broadbent and Clark. I encourage people to go to youtube and hear people actually debate their own policies instead spin the others.

To me the low point of the Globe Debate was where Harper announced that the other parties would just open the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees. It's really difficult to characterize his statement as anything other than a blatant falsehood.

I haven't even bothered watching the Debates. The party members have all made their characters more than apparent without the debates and two of them have shown just how low they can go in their anti-democratic tactics in devising the debates.

[Freddy]

"But It's not sad if you support Harper."

De Sade's ghost will be quite happy if you still support Harper by this point.

You believe the hype, has been confirmed. Everyone is trying to demonize Harper. You are easily fooled.

[Canada_First]

I think the Conservative success in the last two elections with attack ads and other anti-democratic tactics has resulted in the other two main parties adopting the strategy of sticking strictly to talking points. That's why the debates have become such impoverished events where people simply spout talking points instead of answering the questions.

I heard Andrew Coyne contrast these debates with the 1979 debate between Trudeau, Broadbent and Clark. I encourage people to go to youtube and hear people actually debate their own policies instead spin the others.

To me the low point of the Globe Debate was where Harper announced that the other parties would just open the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees. It's really difficult to characterize his statement as anything other than a blatant falsehood.

How are ads anti democratic? If anything not allowing them would be anti democratic. Freedom of speech is critical to our survival. Why would you wish to limit this through law?

The other parties do wish to rake in hundreds of thousands of these Syrian refugees. The same Syrians who hate Jews and Israel. The same Syrians who wish to destroy Israel. It's dangerous for our Jews to take in so many who would wish to harm them. Once we take them in we will be stuck with them. We can't send them back if they commit crimes or stay on welfare forever.

The opposition wants to take in 50 000 refugees by Christmas and even more next year. We need only rake those who will be a good fit for Canada. Those that will assimilate into our culture and become Canadian and not remain Syrian.

Have a good day.

[PIK]

Ms May when she becomes a official party will be allowed into the debates. As long as she shows she can show up sober.Bill C-51 is being over blown ,compared to our allies , it has no teeth. And the world needs to step up to the plate in the ME. These fools have gone on long enough with their killing in the name of god. Now with may, when I 1st seen her ,she was out east trying to get a tar pit cleaned up. And I thought good on her, but then it seemed she disappeared and came back talking nothing g but CC. So did she ever get those pits cleaned up.

[ReeferMadness]

How are ads anti democratic? If anything not allowing them would be anti democratic. Freedom of speech is critical to our survival. Why would you wish to limit this through law?

Why would you assume that everything that is bad should be illegal? Criminal law is a blunt instrument and should be used only as a last resort.

The other parties do wish to rake in hundreds of thousands of these Syrian refugees. The same Syrians who hate Jews and Israel. The same Syrians who wish to destroy Israel. It's dangerous for our Jews to take in so many who would wish to harm them. Once we take them in we will be stuck with them. We can't send them back if they commit crimes or stay on welfare forever.

There's so much nonsense and bigotry in that statement - I'm not going to bother responding to it.

The opposition wants to take in 50 000 refugees by Christmas and even more next year. We need only rake those who will be a good fit for Canada. Those that will assimilate into our culture and become Canadian and not remain Syrian.

Actually, it was General Rick Hillier who recommended that we take 50,000 by Christmas and felt it would be easy to do so without compromising security. Get your facts straight.

Assimilation is not a Canadian value - look south. We have multi-culturalism up here.

[ToadBrother]

Ms May when she becomes a official party will be allowed into the debates. As long as she shows she can show up sober.Bill C-51 is being over blown ,compared to our allies , it has no teeth. And the world needs to step up to the plate in the ME. These fools have gone on long enough with their killing in the name of god. Now with may, when I 1st seen her ,she was out east trying to get a tar pit cleaned up. And I thought good on her, but then it seemed she disappeared and came back talking nothing g but CC. So did she ever get those pits cleaned up.

The West has been fighting in the Middle East since the Great Powers started eating into the Ottoman Empire. Even the Brits were battling Muslim fanatics in the 19th century when Gladstone was forced to send the British Army in to try to save General Gordon at the Siege of Khartoum.

It is nothing new.

[TimG]

The West has been fighting in the Middle East since the Great Powers started eating into the Ottoman Empire.

Goes back further than that to the Crusades and the Roman Empire. But Islam has only been a factor for the last 700 years.

[ToadBrother]

Goes back further than that to the Crusades and the Roman Empire. But Islam has only been a factor for the last 700 years.

i didn't mention the Crusades because there was a break in the West's active military engagement in the region. Mind you, the Turks did try to take the battle to Europe.

My point is that the Great Powers have been mucking around in the region, often times playing one tribe against another for territorial and economic gain. The Brits, French and Russians all played at encouraging resistance to the Ottoman, sometimes encouraging some pretty dodgy groups like Serbian extremists and Wahabists, to yank territory out of the Ottomans' hands.

I'm a great believer of bombing ISIL into oblivion, but it would be helpful for people to realize that the Western Powers are largely responsible for the Middle East we see today. The map was drawn by the Great Powers, they often picked the winners and losers, or at least thought they did.

Frankly I think the real long term solution is going Full Wilsonian, carving the region into tribal, ethnic and religious divisions and stop trying to prop up artificial states like Syria and Iraq.

[G Huxley]

"I'm a great believer of bombing ISIL into oblivion"

It won't work. You can't just bomb them into oblivion. Each bomb costs a fortune and each ISIL person you kill with it is easily replaced with another. Same problem in Vietnam.

[G Huxley]

You believe the hype, has been confirmed. Everyone is trying to demonize Harper. You are easily fooled.

Harper demonizing himself with his actions. All thinking people need is to apply is thought to realize it.

Edited September 23, 2015 by G Huxley

[G Huxley]

How are ads anti democratic? If anything not allowing them would be anti democratic. Freedom of speech is critical to our survival. Why would you wish to limit this through law?

Ads aren't speech. They are simply mass recordings played to a mass audience for money. Ads allow the mass manipulation of the public in favour of the Plutocratic elite, so they are anti-democratic. They give an unfair advantage to the rich over the rest of the Demos and they are a huge waste of money.

[ToadBrother]

Ads aren't speech. They are simply mass recordings played to a mass audience for money. Ads allow the mass manipulation of the public in favour of the Plutocratic elite, so they are anti-democratic. They give an unfair advantage to the rich over the rest of the Demos and they are a huge waste of money.

Of course ads are speech. Crappy and ludicrous speech, but speech nonetheless.

[G Huxley]

Ms May when she becomes a official party will be allowed into the debates. As long as she shows she can show up sober.Bill C-51 is being over blown ,compared to our allies , it has no teeth. And the world needs to step up to the plate in the ME. These fools have gone on long enough with their killing in the name of god. Now with may, when I 1st seen her ,she was out east trying to get a tar pit cleaned up. And I thought good on her, but then it seemed she disappeared and came back talking nothing g but CC. So did she ever get those pits cleaned up.

May was already allowed in the debates. That's why Harper undemocratically left the debates and started new debates. Harper is a fascist hence also Bill C-51.

The Middle East is a train wreck due to the Neocons. The only Empire to successfully run the Middle East were the Ottomans.

Edited September 23, 2015 by G Huxley

[ToadBrother]

May was already allowed in the debates. That's why Harper undemocratically left the debates and started new debates. Harper is a fascist hence also Bill C-51.

The Middle East is a train wreck due to the Neocons. The only Empire to successfully run the Middle East were the Ottomans.

The Ottomans were already starting to disintegrate in the late 18th century.

[G Huxley]

Of course ads are speech. Crappy and ludicrous speech, but speech nonetheless.

No they aren't speech. They are electronic data.

"The Ottomans were already starting to disintegrate in the late 18th century."

They could have lived a lot longer if they hadn't come into conflict with Britain and France.

Edited September 23, 2015 by G Huxley

[Canada_First]

Ads aren't speech. They are simply mass recordings played to a mass audience for money. Ads allow the mass manipulation of the public in favour of the Plutocratic elite, so they are anti-democratic. They give an unfair advantage to the rich over the rest of the Demos and they are a huge waste of money.

If a parties message is that important they will be able to raise money. Conservatives donations are mostly under $100. They're hardly only rich people who support them. Every party must raise money. If they cannot then they're a fringe party.Tory NDP and Liberals are the main parties in Canada. Greens are a fringe fourth party. Low fundraising and low vote count percentage. Face the facts. They're a fringe party who will not form government this election. They may get up to 12 seats in 30 years.