WestCoastRunner Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Other parties? She gives voice to her own small special interest party. I don't see you making arguments for Tim Moen or anyone else. Does Tim have seats? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) So we have folks attacking against feminists or attacking against whatever. I just want to hear her debate the big boys. Why are we being shut down? Because most people either don't understand or don't care for democracy. They see an election like a hockey game. Somebody wins and somebody loses. Then they all go away and talk about it until the next hockey game. And since May doesn't have a realistic chance of winning the game, they've decided she doesn't count. In some countries, people expect that parliament makes decisions, not the PM and the PMO. They expect parties to be able to collaborate and compromise. But judging from the discussion on MLW, nobody really cares about democracy anymore. And judging from leaders comments, only May and the Green Party really want to engage in a democratic government. I was on Youtube and stumbled on this interview with candidate Mary Lou Babineau. Articulate, positive, engaging, intelligent. Answers questions directly. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of that in the HoC. ETA: at one point in the interview, Dennis asks her if she were to sum up the Greens in one word, what would it be? He expects her to answer environment but instead her answer was "democracy". Love it. Edited September 24, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Does Tim have seats? Maybe he would. If we could only hear his voice. Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 ETA: at one point in the interview, Dennis asks her if she were to sum up the Greens in one word, what would it be? He expects her to answer environment but instead her answer was "democracy". Love it. i have a better one - unelectable. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Maybe he would. If we could only hear his voice. You're playing games and quite frankly, it gets a bit tiring after a while. The Libertarians got 6,000 votes last election, less than the Marxist Leninist Party. That's roughly 1% of what the Greens got. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 i have a better one - unelectable. whatever. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WestCoastRunner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 i have a better one - unelectable. luckily your voice doesn't matter Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 You're playing games and quite frankly, it gets a bit tiring after a while. The Libertarians got 6,000 votes last election, less than the Marxist Leninist Party. That's roughly 1% of what the Greens got. But what if we could all just hear what he has to say? How can you make an informed choice unless all voices are in the debate? Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 luckily your voice doesn't matter It matters precisely the same amount as your's actually. Right now, it's leaning Liberal. Quote
Shady Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Their legal challenge will go nowhere. Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Their legal challenge will go nowhere. And why would it? It makes absolutely no sense. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 It makes perfect sense. It's against the law for charities to be partisan and discriminate politically. The 'charity' has been funding right wing think tanks and discluding other candidates. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 The Greens hold one seat in Australia. One seat in Germany and 25 seats in Sweden. I wouldn't call that numerous. 2 out of the three nations you listed that have PR ended up with less Green seats than what we have on Canada under fptp. The Greens hold 10 senate seats in Aus. They've obviously lost a lot of support in Germany recently. 25 seats in Sweden is numerous. Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 It makes perfect sense. It's against the law for charities to be partisan and discriminate politically. And in this case, that can't be argued. They're simply discriminating against people who can't possibly win this election. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) If the Greens can't possibly win this election as you claim. Then we don't live in a democracy we live in a dictatorship. Logic 101 Edited September 24, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 If the Greens can't possibly win this election as you claim. Then we don't live in a democracy we live in a dictatorship. Logic 101 I haven't read any polls showing the Green party leading or in any way in the running to elect a large number of Mps. They'll be lucky to even elect 2 MPS. In fact it's likely that only Mp May will be the only one to retain a green seat. That is reality. If the green are ever in a position to be electing at least 12 Mos then we can start caring what they say. Right now they don't matter. Aren't even an official party. Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 If the Greens can't possibly win this election as you claim. Then we don't live in a democracy we live in a dictatorship. We live in a country that saw over 96% voting not Green in the last election. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Theoretically anyone running can get elected if we really live in a democracy. The Greens have enough candidates running to win the election if Canadians vote that way. The only poll that really counts is the one on election day. Edited September 24, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
Smallc Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Theoretically anyone running can get elected if we really live in a democracy. Theoretically, we can talk about theoreticals forever. When we're done, Elizabeth May still won't be prime minister. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Ah but we will at least have democracy. And that's the difference. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Ah but we will at least have democracy. And that's the difference. We will have democracy even if the Greens cease to exist. Don't change our country. Leave it alone. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 This isn't a democracy since the Demos is being sidelined from a fair election. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 This isn't a democracy since the Demos is being sidelined from a fair election.No one is being sidelined. You're free to throw your vote behind any party you wish. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) We live in a country that saw over 96% voting not Green in the last election. Correction, over 96%. They got less than 4% of the vote. These people don't want to admit that the Green Party is utterly irrelevant right now. Some day they might not be, maybe. But the Green Party got even less of a share in 2011 than it did in 2008 because it focused its efforts on a single riding to get May elected. There's no reason they should be on the same stage as major parties. They should hold a second debate and put her up against the leaders of the other minor parties: Libertarian Party, Marxist-Leninist Party, Christian Heritage Party, Strength in Democracy Party, etc. Then we can hear people complain that May is being silenced because there's too many people on stage with her. Edited September 24, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
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