Aylan Kurdi's father is a people smuggler, woman claims

[cybercoma]

And where the heck was he going to bury them other than the place they had lived their entire lives? He didn't get settled anywhere else.

[drummindiver]

This is true for any grieving parent, even if they are Muslim. You are right. I guess the accusations here mean that muslims don't grieve the loss of their family like other 'westerners'.

Wow. Superman couldn't make that leap.

[drummindiver]

Many governments are involved in smuggling as well. Officials are easily paid off to look the other way when refugees are boarding a ship. The Australian government has been accused of paying off smugglers to turn around and not land in their country.

Clearly, first hand witness accounts must be false as to the father being a human smuggler, and ever clearer your anecdotal reference to accusations of impropriety from a nation helping these refugees must be true.

I don't even know if this dude is bad or not, but the defense from the left on here is bordering on cultish.

[waldo]

I don't even know if this dude is bad or not, but the defense from the left on here is bordering on cultish.

I don't read any defense being offered... I read a lot of raised concerns over 'rush to judgement', character assassination, misplaced priorities and a callous disregard for the bigger picture. That's what I read... and you?

[Guest]

J...F...C...

Now you are defending human smuggling.

One wonders if the poor dears who left that semi trailer on the Austrian highway are being unfairy maligned...

[drummindiver]

http://www.therebel.media/_a_liar_and_a_blamer_kurdi_s_father_accused

Uh, the NDP out right lied. Not surprising. The media bought it. Not surprising. The left on this board continues to defend both Donnelly, and this fellow who, I dare say, may be in a bit of trouble and who is has an incredible amount of audacity to even think about blaming Canada. But you go ahead lefties, blame away. Btw, scoff or don't watch because it's from the Rebel, but bet you can't prove he lied here like he can prove Fin Donnelly lied.

"She says he was the one who was driving the boat, who capsized it, who didn’t have enough life jackets, who let people drown, including his own family".

"The Kurdis were not in Syria or any other war zone; they'd been living in Turkey for three years. Turkey is a democracy and Kurds are a large minority there. If you’re in Turkey, you’re not a refugee fleeing danger"

"Kurdi's sister Tima said they were all getting into a boat to go to Europe. Not to get away from war but because Abdullah Kurdi needed dental work".

"Here in Canada, far-left-wing NDP MP, Fin Donnelly, went on TV and flat-out lied, claiming that Canada had rejected a refugee application from Abdullah Kurdi and his family. That was a lie — Canada never received a refugee application from them and they were not refugees. But the lie was too delicious, and the CBC and the rest of the world ran with it".

[drummindiver]

One wonders if the poor dears who left that semi trailer on the Austrian highway are being unfairy maligned...

Clearly, they are just misunderstood.They aren't barbaric, just their one little act is.

[Guest]

I don't read any defense being offered... I read a lot of raised concerns over 'rush to judgement', character assassination, misplaced priorities and a callous disregard for the bigger picture. That's what I read... and you?

It's not so much a defence, as it is a horror at the narrative taking on a different perspective. For a while there the guy was a saint and the Canadian government was wholly to blame. Now it seems like the guy might be a lying a*****e. He might not too, it's all just witness statements, but the idea that that might be the case seems to bring about a knee jerk reaction in some. For instance, if the guy is a smuggler, how does exposing him as such indicate a callous disregard for the bigger picture?

[Guest]

Until you can walk in someone else's shoes, you cannot judge or assassinate someone.

This doesn't seem right to me. I'm sure you actually can do that.

It seems like that is what everyone on this site does at least some of the time. (I was going to say all of the time but then I remembered the music and movie threads.)

I mean, how many on here have been PM of Canada? Or Immigration Minister? Or issuer of marriage licences in a small US county, or a bus driver in Calgary. How many have felt so horrified by the depiction of their prophet that they have been moved to kill?

Hell, I do it all the time.

Edited September 12, 2015 by bcsapper

[Big Guy]

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I mean, how many on here have been PM of Canada? Or Immigration Minister? Or issuer of marriage licences in a small US county, or a bus driver in Calgary. How many have felt so horrified by the depiction of their prophet that they have been moved to kill?

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This is an anonymous board. How do you know one of those listed above IS NOT a member of this board?

[Guest]

This is an anonymous board. How do you know one of those listed above IS NOT a member of this board?

Dammit, I knew there was a flaw in my argument somewhere...

[capricorn]

Came across this interesting tidbit in a media report dated September 7 around the time when Kurdi returned to his bombed out house in Kobane to bury his family.

The grieving father of Aylan Kurdi has been photographed on his return to life among the ruins of the Syrian city his family had hoped to escape.

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Abdullah Kurdi holds a toy as he visits Aylan's room in his home in Kobane.

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Abdullah Kurdi stands in Aylan's room in Kobane

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Abdullah Kurdi enters a neighbour's damaged home in Kobani, where his nephew of a similar age to Aylan Kurdi is sitting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/aylan-kurdis-father-abdullah-returns-to-the-ruined-homes-of-kobani-after-burying-his-family-10489344.html

Keeping in mind that he and his family supposedly left their home in Kobane 3 years previously, how come those toys are still there and the toddler's room is still furnished? I mean, it's clear there are still children living in adjacent homes. I know kids, and toys are not left lying around for 3 years without them grabbing them for themselves. Don't know what it all means, but it is curious indeed that those personal effects have not been pilfered in the space of 3 years.

[waldo]

Came across this interesting tidbit in a media report dated September 7 around the time when Kurdi returned to his bombed out house in Kobane to bury his family.

Keeping in mind that he and his family supposedly left their home in Kobane 3 years previously, how come those toys are still there and the toddler's room is still furnished? I mean, it's clear there are still children living in adjacent homes. I know kids, and toys are not left lying around for 3 years without them grabbing them for themselves. Don't know what it all means, but it is curious indeed that those personal effects have not been pilfered in the space of 3 years.

yup! That's the clincher for me too! The toys! That does it... that's the closer! Forget about the outside ruins shown in the pictures... forget out the state of the inside rooms shown (fully furnished, right? ) ... it's the toys damnit... the toys! There's no need to speculate on if someone is still living there... or who is living there... its the toys! Cause those toys couldn't belong to anyone else. You know, the more I read here the more I'm sure the guy planned the boat sinking and he actually drowned his wife and kids himself... I'm sure of it now - the toys don't lie!!!

[cybercoma]

What a scumbag. We should deny every last Syrian any sort of assistance, since this guy was scum. We should even pull our jets out of the Middle East because this guy was a smuggler. We shouldn't let in the 20,000 refugees Harper wanted to help either. Harper should also scrap the $100 million contribution matching fund for aid. That's it. This guy ruined it for all the hundreds of thousands of people we could have helped because of the toys, dammit!

[cybercoma]

I'm glad the actual Conservative Party isn't as ridiculous as the people who support them.

[capricorn]

yup! That's the clincher for me too! The toys! That does it... that's the closer! Forget about the outside ruins shown in the pictures... forget out the state of the inside rooms shown (fully furnished, right? ) ... it's the toys damnit... the toys! There's no need to speculate on if someone is still living there... or who is living there... its the toys! Cause those toys couldn't belong to anyone else. You know, the more I read here the more I'm sure the guy planned the boat sinking and he actually drowned his wife and kids himself... I'm sure of it now - the toys don't lie!!!

That's actually quite humorous waldo. Glad to see you can make light of such a serious matter.

[waldo]

That's actually quite humorous waldo. Glad to see you can make light of such a serious matter.

it's dark humour... at your expense! What's serious... the refugee situation or your pathetic ongoing character assassination routine?

[capricorn]

What a scumbag. We should deny every last Syrian any sort of assistance, since this guy was scum. We should even pull our jets out of the Middle East because this guy was a smuggler. We shouldn't let in the 20,000 refugees Harper wanted to help either. Harper should also scrap the $100 million contribution matching fund for aid. That's it. This guy ruined it for all the hundreds of thousands of people we could have helped because of the toys, dammit!

A big fail at your attempt at humor. Waldo's got you beat by a mile.

[cybercoma]

It wasn't satire. It was sarcasm.

[capricorn]

it's dark humour... at your expense! What's serious... the refugee situation or your pathetic ongoing character assassination routine?

Of course, it's much easier for you to attack me personally than to offer a viable explanation as to why the father returns to a war zone to find the personal possessions of the family intact after an absence of 3 years. It's OK I'm taking it in stride since your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

[drummindiver]

It wasn't satire. It was sarcasm.

Yeah, we should all pretend that evil Harper killed the little boy and his father is correct in blaming Canada and that we are all scumbags for calling him on his garbage and should let him come here and get those damn pesky teeth fixed because that is the root of all evil.

And, nice to see you actually admit he was a smuggler. But let's be clear, his family died because he was smuggling humans.

Carry on, now.

[waldo]

Of course, it's much easier for you to attack me personally than to offer a viable explanation as to why the father returns to a war zone to find the personal possessions of the family intact after an absence of 3 years. It's OK I'm taking it in stride since your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

in this, your latest pathetic attempt, what tells you... what keen-eye observation guides you... to infer ownership on possessions?

[drummindiver]

Of course, it's much easier for you to attack me personally than to offer a viable explanation as to why the father returns to a war zone to find the personal possessions of the family intact after an absence of 3 years. It's OK I'm taking it in stride since your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

His sister herself said he was leaving to get dental work.

He paid money for his entire family and himself to get smuggled from a safe country to get dental work that he could have received in the safe country he was living in with the money he spent on smuggling his family out of a safe country.

And Canada in general and Harper in particular are to blame.

[eyeball]

But he and his family were out of Syria and had been for a good long while. What was the hurry all of a sudden to undertake such a dangerous voyage with his family in tow?

To get ahead of the millions who will be trying to follow would be my guess. The window of opportunity to flee will very likely close soon.