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[drummindiver]

You're right. There's no excuse for them having cell phones. None whatsoever. That is just the sort of attack that wins elections. Keep it up!

lol

What the ef has this to do with elections? Why is questioning anything considered an attack?

You are claiming having cell phones is the most important thing in their lives, keeping them alive.

I am stating you are wrong.

I think they should have their wives, kids, but you want to turn it into cell phones being the issue.

Clearly, the issue is if they were real refugees, fleeing their home and country because they were afraid of being murdered, they would have grabbed their children and wives, mothers, father, sisters, instead of their cell phones.

Why so many angry young men with cell phones.

[Big Guy]

Time for the Conservative war room to change approach. Here we have the greatest world migrant crisis since the last world war and Bob Nicholson, our Minister of Foreign Affairs is "missing". I was watching CTV this morning when reporters were physically restrained from approaching our Minister of Foreign Affairs. Poor optics and brainless election policy.

Who is running that campaign?

[drummindiver]

And you shouldn't. You should agree with taking 25000 people from another country because it's the right thing to do.

It's not the right thing to do.

That is your opinion.

If they are legitimate refugees, having gone through refugee process, welcome.

[Argus]

Imagine the huge impact on families that we do help.

I'm more worried about the huge negative impact on Canada the more of these people who come here.

[drummindiver]

Harper can't even fix THIS country.

This country isn't broken.

[cybercoma]

It's not the right thing to do.

That is your opinion.

If they are legitimate refugees, having gone through refugee process, welcome.

Except that's BS and you know it. The Conservatives changed the refugee process admitting less and less. They've also been considerably unresponsive to crisis, as compared to previous governments, which is demonstrated by the numbers.

[cybercoma]

This country isn't broken.

75% of the electorate disagrees with you.

[drummindiver]

Except that's BS and you know it. The Conservatives changed the refugee process admitting less and less. They've also been considerably unresponsive to crisis, as compared to previous governments, which is demonstrated by the numbers.

"From 2009 to 2013, Canada gave refugee status to 122,518 people. That's an average of 24,514 people in each year --- 67 per day."

More than enough.

As per immigration:

"In particular, why has Canada’s average 250,000 per year immigration intake remained in place for over 24 years, a clear abnormality in Canada’s immigration history?

The answer is that for many decades, Canada’s major political parties have assumed that, on the immigration issue in particular, they know better than average Canadians. This attitude and the promotion of political party self-interest manifested itself particularly in 1990 when one political party (the Progressive Conservatives) increased immigration levels to 250,000 per year."

Those damn Conservatives.

And yes, how dare the government clamp down on bogus claims, you know, from eastern European strippers.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/asylum-claims-down-by-more-than-half-in-2013

[drummindiver]

75% of the electorate disagrees with you.

sigh

Canada is broken?

The highest regarded country in the world is broken?

Damn, I better get packed and head to Somalia.

[cybercoma]

sigh

Canada is broken?

The highest regarded country in the world is broken?

Damn, I better get packed and head to Somalia.

Maybe you should. They have the conservative free-market utopia you desire.

[waldo]

According to the U.N. report 75% are male. Denmark is rejecting them.

http://news.yahoo.com/denmark-sends-first-group-refugees-back-germany-155642263.html

hey now! I gave full props to the source of your same status update in this previous post: here

did you actually read your linked article... it states the reason why some are being sent back... because most of the previous refugees have been traveling on to Sweden without applying for asylum in Denmark... because many of this latest group are not applying for asylum within Denmark - they have no intention of seeking asylum in Denmark and are simply trying to use it as a stepping-stone' to get into Sweden. Perhaps the Swedish government has requested Denmark do so... at this point the EU is actively debating numbers and working to some form of defined quota per country.

[cybercoma]

hey now! I gave full props to the source of your same status update in this previous post: here

did you actually read your linked article... it states the reason why some are being sent back... because most of the previous refugees have been traveling on to Sweden without applying for asylum in Denmark... because many of this latest group are not applying for asylum within Denmark - they have no intention of seeking asylum in Denmark and are simply trying to use it as a stepping-stone' to get into Sweden. Perhaps the Swedish government has requested Denmark do so... at this point the EU is actively debating numbers and working to some form of defined quota per country.

Not to mention this myth about the "75%". 1/3 of the refugees are women and children: http://www.voanews.com/content/increasing-numbers-of-refugee-women-children-heading-for-europe/2941974.html

This is unusual because it's usually the men who escape, find asylum then find a way for their families to follow. Many women and children are dying on the journey, since trekking through the desert in the middle of the summer with few supplies is an arduous journey.

These people keep dropping "facts" without squaring them with any sort of context or substantiation.

But but, 75% men! THey're ISIL coming to slaughter us in our beds at night!

[drummindiver]

Not to mention this myth about the "75%". 1/3 of the refugees are women and children: http://www.voanews.com/content/increasing-numbers-of-refugee-women-children-heading-for-europe/2941974.html

This is unusual because it's usually the men who escape, find asylum then find a way for their families to follow. Many women and children are dying on the journey, since trekking through the desert in the middle of the summer with few supplies is an arduous journey.

These people keep dropping "facts" without squaring them with any sort of context or substantiation.

But but, 75% men! THey're ISIL coming to slaughter us in our beds at night!

lol. Hyperbole much? Nowhere have I read or seen pics of these magically disappearing dying women and children.

Also, you support Waldo in his denunciation of any cite. The one you posted is less than worthy, though even they admit that only a third are women and children...but but they make up 2/3 of the possible population but but where are the parents but but...

I never said ISIL was coming , that was you. I said I want refugees to go through the refugee process. That is what it is for. If you want to circumvent our laws and institutions whenever it suits you, you are nothing more than an anarchist.

[drummindiver]

Not to mention this myth about the "75%". 1/3 of the refugees are women and children: http://www.voanews.com/content/increasing-numbers-of-refugee-women-children-heading-for-europe/2941974.html

This is unusual because it's usually the men who escape, find asylum then find a way for their families to follow. Many women and children are dying on the journey, since trekking through the desert in the middle of the summer with few supplies is an arduous journey.

Really?

Men escape war zones and impending death, leaving the women, children and elderly behind?

Where are you from? What man would do that? No one I know would flee, leaving his wife and children behind.

There is one word, and one word only for that man. Coward.

[waldo]

the Harper Conservative commitment? This article clearly defines the degree of that commitment... shameful!

Only 9 Syrian refugee cases offered on private sponsor list --- Sponsor groups frustrated by low number of cases available to them --- Stephen Harper rejects accusation that he's using the issue of public safety to not take in more refugees

A government list of refugees pre-approved for private sponsorship has just nine Syrian cases on it, despite the growing crisis and increased demand by Canadians who say they want to help.

Known as the Blended Visa Office-Referred (BVOR) list, it has refugee cases from around the world that have been vetted by Canada and are ready to come within a month or two. Each case can represent a single person or a family.

Church and community groups, known as sponsorship agreement holders, have access to the list as part of the BVOR program under which the federal government pays for half of the first year resettlement costs for the refugees.

"We were absolutely surprised and quite disheartened by the low number," said Susan Nye-Brothers, the refugee sponsorship co-ordinator for the Catholic diocese of Charlottetown.

Citizenship and Immigration did not respond to questions about why the number of Syrian cases on the BVOR list is so low.

But some groups say Canada needs more visa officers on the ground, in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, in order to vet and process potential refugees.

Edited September 9, 2015 by waldo

[scribblet]

lol. Hyperbole much? Nowhere have I read or seen pics of these magically disappearing dying women and children.

Also, you support Waldo in his denunciation of any cite. The one you posted is less than worthy, though even they admit that only a third are women and children...but but they make up 2/3 of the possible population but but where are the parents but but...

I never said ISIL was coming , that was you. I said I want refugees to go through the refugee process. That is what it is for. If you want to circumvent our laws and institutions whenever it suits you, you are nothing more than an anarchist.

UNHCR has published a graph showing 75% of refugees/migrants are male.

[cybercoma]

they admit that only a third are women and children...but but they make up 2/3 of the possible population but but where are the parents but but...

WHere on earth did you get the idea that women and children make up 2/3 of the population? Syria has a 1.01 sex ratio with men slightly outnumbering women.

[cybercoma]

Really?

Men escape war zones and impending death, leaving the women, children and elderly behind?

Where are you from? What man would do that? No one I know would flee, leaving his wife and children behind.

There is one word, and one word only for that man. Coward.

As long as you found a way from the comfort of your desk to judge the actions of people living in conditions you couldn't even imagine, I guess that's all that's important and how we should base our immigration policies.

[drummindiver]

WHere on earth did you get the idea that women and children make up 2/3 of the population? Syria has a 1.01 sex ratio with men slightly outnumbering women.

Dude, do you even math?

For ease, 1,000,000 Syrian refugees. Fair?

I won't double check your numbers, but trust you did due diligence. Fair?

To err on your side, we'll say 600,00 men, 400,000 women. Fair?

Global statistics claim that if every Syrian woman lived to end of child bearing years, they would have, on average, 2.6 children per year. Instead of rounding up, as is normal, I'll round down. 2 children per woman.

We've agreed that there are 400,000 women refugees, yes?

Say half that have fled are have maxxed out their child bearing years?

That would be 200,000 women, with an average of 2 children per women. That would equal 400,000 children, yes yes?

400,000, women, 400,000 children.

There should be 800,000 women and children, and 200,000 men, give or take, in this refugee crisis.

Clearly, women and children make up over 75% of the Syrian population, and should make up over 75% of the refugee population, unless of course they stayed behind to fight ISIL and al-Assad.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2127.html

Edited September 9, 2015 by drummindiver

[capricorn]

the Harper Conservative commitment? This article clearly defines the degree of that commitment... shameful!

Only 9 Syrian refugee cases offered on private sponsor list --- Sponsor groups frustrated by low number of cases available to them --- Stephen Harper rejects accusation that he's using the issue of public safety to not take in more refugees

As per your link, of those 9 cases, one comprises a family of 13. That leaves 8 other cases. Let's say each of those 8 cases represents families of 2 persons each. That would bring the total Syrian refugee count on the said private sponsor list to 29. But of course, 9 cases sounds a lot better than 29 cases for the CBC to report on. We are, after all, in an election campaign and headlines matter.

[waldo]

As per your link, of those 9 cases, one comprises a family of 13. That leaves 8 other cases. Let's say each of those 8 cases represents families of 2 persons each. That would bring the total Syrian refugee count on the said private sponsor list to 29. But of course, 9 cases sounds a lot better than 29 cases for the CBC to report on. We are, after all, in an election campaign and headlines matter.

oh my! You're right... clearly 29 is a bigger number than 9! Harper is doing way too much... shutErDown!

[BubberMiley]

UNHCR has published a graph showing 75% of refugees/migrants are male.

Unfortunately, you got that talking point from Ezra Levant, who misread the graph. It's actually 23%.

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

[capricorn]

oh my! You're right...

I know..../snarc

[scribblet]

I stand corrected, demographics are 72%

http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

[Scotty]

Actually, it's not an ad hominem if the person's character actually has something to do with the topic they're discussing. For instance, you saying an immigration lawyer might have an interest in increasing immigration or waldo saying that racist nationalists may have an interest in keeping them out.

The difference is that the original quote identifed the UN report, so the actual data can be validated quite easily. The site it came from is therefore without any importance. In the case of using immigration lawyers and their own 'study' no such validation can occur. We can rely on the UN not to lie. We can't rely on whoever the lawyers paid to cherry pick data to be honest.