cybercoma Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 So if EI runs out ad you haven't found a job, kiss your franchise as a citizen good bye?Not to mention that 100% of Canadian workers pay into EI while < 60% of the applications are accepted under the new Tory rules. Quote
WIP Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 You didn't answer my question but I am assuming you would not want Canadians to vote if they receive disability (this would include vets) and low income single parent families. Is there any other segment I am missing? If conservatives have their way, eventually only white male property owners with driver's licenses or gun permits/ but no criminal records, will be able to vote....that's what their ideological heroes are working towards south of the border, I'm sure Harper's tentative steps towards voter suppression will winnow away the open democracy that conservatives hate. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 If conservatives have their way, eventually only white male property owners with driver's licenses or gun permits/ but no criminal records, will be able to vote....that's what their ideological heroes are working towards south of the border, I'm sure Harper's tentative steps towards voter suppression will winnow away the open democracy that conservatives hate. Actually, Canada is much closer to stripping the right to vote from Canadian citizens (living abroad). Nice try.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Actually, Canada is much closer to stripping the right to vote from Canadian citizens (living abroad). Nice try.... Oh really, have you never heard of the Shelby County decision? And then of course we all know what Jeb Bush was able to do to suppress non white voters and help brother George back into the WH. Quote
Shady Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Oh really, have you never heard of the Shelby County decision? And then of course we all know what Jeb Bush was able to do to suppress non white voters and help brother George back into the WH.Complete and utter nonsense. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Complete and utter nonsense. Calm down there Shady, the SCOTUS doesn't like you to refer to them like that. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Complete and utter nonsense. This thread is complete and utter nonsense. And your inability to defend your opinion confirms it. Edited September 3, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 This thread is complete and utter nonsense. And your inability to defend your opinion confirms it. I fail to see how commenting on absurd comments about Jeb Bush and the Supreme Court has anything to do with my opinion. I've already stated that it's my belief that without actual skin in the game, some people shouldn't be voting. That's just my opinion. Other people can disagree and form their own opinions. It's ok to agree to disagree sometimes. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I fail to see how commenting on absurd comments about Jeb Bush and the Supreme Court has anything to do with my opinion. I've already stated that it's my belief that without actual skin in the game, some people shouldn't be voting. That's just my opinion. Other people can disagree and form their own opinions. It's ok to agree to disagree sometimes. I think you need to define 'skin in the game'. I can't really respond without more clarification. And an opinion isn't taken seriously without something to back up the opinion otherwise it's someone talking out of their ass. Edited September 3, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I think you need to define 'skin in the game'. I can't really respond without more clarification. And an opinion isn't taken seriously without something to back up the opinion otherwise it's someone talking out of their ass. Skin in the game means paying taxes. Actually being invested and being impacted when income taxes are raised and more of your income is confiscated by the government. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Skin in the game means paying taxes. Actually being invested and being impacted when income taxes are raised and more of your income is confiscated by the government. Oh. So you are speaking for rich folks? And not for the regular Canadian citizen. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Oh. So you are speaking for rich folks? And not for the regular Canadian citizen. No. Most regular Canadians pay income taxes. That's how the government gets most of its money. Edited September 3, 2015 by Shady Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I fail to see how commenting on absurd comments about Jeb Bush and the Supreme Court has anything to do with my opinion. I've already stated that it's my belief that without actual skin in the game, some people shouldn't be voting. That's just my opinion. Other people can disagree and form their own opinions. It's ok to agree to disagree sometimes. Being unaware of things does not make those things absurd. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) No. Most regular Canadians pay income taxes. That's how the government gets most of its money. Most regular Canadians include: low income single parent families individuals on disability individuals working minimum wage individuals running out of EI individuals opting out of employment to care for elderly parents individuals on leave from work due to illness As far as I can tell, these people have skin in the game. Can you tell me why these people don't have skin in the game. Because I just can't seem to follow your logic. It makes no sense to me at all. Edited September 3, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 This thread is complete and utter nonsense. And your inability to defend your opinion confirms it. Copy that. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
August1991 Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) So let's get this straight. You're basically implying that only tax-payers should be allowed to vote and you're questioning whether or not everyone having the right to vote is democratic? Seriously? No, I am not saying that. But BC_Chick, what is "democracy"? Majority rule? Should right-handed people get to decide everything? Edited September 3, 2015 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) When did Mitt Romney join the forum? This putrid propaganda designed by the idle rich to shift attention away from their rigging of the system, really blew up on Romney when he declared 47% were the takers....not him and his friends with hundreds of millions of dollars stashed in overseas accounts! I'm likely going to ignore this attention-diversion thread and end by noting the majority of people who are declared freeloaders here are likely seniors who hopefully have been able to afford to retire instead of working at Walmart or the local supermarket. Link About 30% of Canadians (depending on province) pay no federal income tax. If they pay no federal income tax, I suspect that they pay no provincial income tax either (depending on province). And I am willing to predict that they get a GST refund and a property tax credit (since they're probably renters). As I said above, about 30% of Canadians don't care about taxes. They don't pay them. Discussions about tax cuts make no sense to these voters; but they favour an increase in government services. It's other people's money. ==== WIP, we are far, far from the robber barons of the 19th century. This 21st century tyranny is different. Times change. Edited September 3, 2015 by August1991 Quote
cybercoma Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 As I said above, about 30% of Canadians don't care about taxes. They don't pay them. Do you have a reference for this figure that comes from an official source? Or are you just lumping in babies, the elderly, and those with disabilities in here? Quote
August1991 Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Cybercoma, I provided a link above to federal income tax data. About 30% of federal filers pay no tax. (Admittedly, my link is to data about 10 years old but I don't think that things have changed since then.) I suspect that this 30% number extends to provincial and municipal taxes. To repeat my OP, about 30% of Canadians always favour more government spending and ignore public discussions of taxes, government debt or borrowing. For 30% of the population, talk of taxes or government debt is irrelevant chatter. These voters view taxes, to attempt a metaphor, the same way Argus views Miley Cyrus' breast: a mere curiousity. Edited September 5, 2015 by August1991 Quote
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) It's still not relevant. It ignores the fact that they pay consumption and excise taxes on everything that they buy. It also speaks to a bigger problem that 1 in 3 Canadians who file income tax are making so little that they don't even pay taxes. Edited September 5, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
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