The Invasion of Europe - Germany to take in 800,000 migrants

[Canada_First]

We shouldn't take in any refugees. They're scum sucking at the social teeth.

[GostHacked]

We shouldn't take in any refugees. They're scum sucking at the social teeth.

But should we continue bombing them? Should we continue to support terrorism to fight Assad causing widespread destruction which forces the Syrians to seek refuge from the violence?

[Argus]

Now that Turkey has restarted its war with the kurds we could see a continuing stream of refugees, especially if Turkey melts down as others in the area have. Turkey's Islamist government was not happy at losing its parliamentary majority last elections, despite having near total government control over the media. The votes which went to the Kurdish workers party were considered one of the reasons they lost out. That's why they've restarted the war, bombing Kurdish towns and villages in Iraq and Syria and arresting Kurds in Turkey. Hundreds have died so far as Erdoğan seeks to make himself the new Emperor of Turkey.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34195807

[eyeball]

Yeah that's right. You want no country borders so even more people can come here but now unchecked.

Also you want a clampdown on everything environmental except fishing of course. Fishermen need more rights. Because you're a wealthy fisherman who us self righteous and has grandiose plans that affect t everyone but himself.

Did I get most of it there?

No, out of your butt.

[-1=e^ipi]

Blah Blah climate change caused Syrian war Blah Blah

You keep referring to predictions made 15 years ago.

15 years ago, people did not predict the recently observed slowdown in the rate of global warming.

Understanding of climate sensitivity was much less 15 years ago.

Model predictions made 15 years ago have been well outside observations.

Understanding of changes in precipitation patterns were much less 15 years ago.

15 years ago, there was immense confirmation bias in climate change literature and there still is.

Most of the planet gets wetter due to climate change, though some places get drier. Syria is arguably one of the places that gets drier due to its geography (35 degrees N, ocean to the west, land to the east).

However, the amount of climate change that has occurred has been small, so the effect of climate change on the drought is small compared to the effect of natural variation.

The Earth is large and there is lots of climate variability from year to year; there has pretty much always been a drought somewhere on Earth at any given time. So 'I predict droughts will occur somewhere on Earth' isn't a very bold prediction.

And ultimately, the drought was relatively minor. The problems in the Syria and Iraq have many factors, but religion and the funding of Wahabbism by Saudi Arabia and the gulf states is one of the major ones and greatly dwarfs any contribution due to climate change.

[-1=e^ipi]

That's why they've restarted the war, bombing Kurdish towns and villages in Iraq and Syria and arresting Kurds in Turkey.

Do you not see why I'm skeptical of our membership in NATO (and thus alliance with Turkey)?

[Canada_First]

But should we continue bombing them? Should we continue to support terrorism to fight Assad causing widespread destruction which forces the Syrians to seek refuge from the violence?

We should do nothing. Mind our own business. Let them kill each other for all I care. They're not like us. We must stop pretending they are.

[Canada_First]

No, out of your butt.

You've said numerous times that you want all borders to disappear and ppl should be free to roam the Earth as they please since we're all just Earthlings.

You're a wealthy self employed fisherman with his own boat and crew.

You constantly bemoan Canada's own environmental efforts yet whinge on about controls over our own fisheries.

What I said earlier is completely accurate.

[-1=e^ipi]

You're a wealthy self employed fisherman with his own boat and crew.

Btw, fishermen are grossly subsidized by EI because their work is 'seasonal'.

Eyeball, what percentage of your wages are EI? 60%?

Edited September 10, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[eyeball]

You've said numerous times that you want all borders to disappear and ppl should be free to roam the Earth as they please since we're all just Earthlings.

Correct

You're a wealthy self employed fisherman with his own boat and crew.

No.

You constantly bemoan Canada's own environmental efforts yet whinge on about controls over our own fisheries.

No.

What I said earlier is completely accurate.

Not.

[eyeball]

Btw, fishermen are grossly subsidized by EI because their work is 'seasonal'.

No that's not why.

Eyeball, what percentage of your wages are EI? 60%?

None.

[eyeball]

You whinge on about controls over our own fisheries.

What I do is point out that similar sorts of controls should be applied to several other occupations, industries and their management, that impact the public and it's domain.

[WIP]

Stop flooding the region with weapons and reasons to use them and that means getting in the face of countries that do.

I especially find it ironic that Obama has promised more billions of free weapons to the Saudis; and in case nobody's paying attention, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are conducting a war against the civilian population of Yemen right now...which includes dropping cluster bombs on civilians....which are made in the USA....ground zero for international terrorism is we're judging by where the guns&ammo originates.

Also worth noting that...even if the waves of refugees from Syria, Iraq and Libya begin to subside in a year or two, this genocidal war in Yemen happening right now will be the source of the next wave of refugees, once they are able to get out of the soon to be failed state of Yemen. I wonder how the conservatives will be packaging that story and framing it for the next round of refugee headlines in the news!

[cybercoma]

Our military involvement with taking a side in the so called 'civil war' in Syria is a direct cause of the exodus of people from Syria. I hear the question 'when are we gonna do something about the refugees', well that question should have been answered before we had our pilots fly the first sorties over Syria. Come on what the F do you think was going to happen?

We have 'people' like Kerry give Russia crap from dealing with the officially recognized government of Syria. They are the government, no matter what we think. What we are doing is supporting terrorism and terrorists to combat Assad. And that is a real example of terrorism. Using violence for political change. The only way many can't label it as terrorism is because our soldiers and allies are participating in the terrorism. This is what many need to understand and recognize. It would be no different from using the same tactic against any other nation on the planet with an officially recognized government. Once some get that through their thick skulls, we will then have a better and clearer path going forward.

To bring it home, it would be like the US military arming the FLQ in the 70s and doing air raids for them.

[cybercoma]

I especially find it ironic that Obama has promised more billions of free weapons to the Saudis; and in case nobody's paying attention, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are conducting a war against the civilian population of Yemen right now...which includes dropping cluster bombs on civilians....which are made in the USA....ground zero for international terrorism is we're judging by where the guns&ammo originates.

Also worth noting that...even if the waves of refugees from Syria, Iraq and Libya begin to subside in a year or two, this genocidal war in Yemen happening right now will be the source of the next wave of refugees, once they are able to get out of the soon to be failed state of Yemen. I wonder how the conservatives will be packaging that story and framing it for the next round of refugee headlines in the news!

Qatar. The country where worker deaths are the expectation, not the exception. Where foreign workers give up their visas and can't leave the country unless their employers say so. Where slavery is still alive and well.

[Canada_First]

Qatar. The country where worker deaths are the expectation, not the exception. Where foreign workers give up their visas and can't leave the country unless their employers say so. Where slavery is still alive and well.

You don't think 800 000 fanatical muslim migrants to Canada would change it? Edited September 10, 2015 by Canada_First

[cybercoma]

You don't think 800 000 migrants to Canada would change it?

Do you think a billion migrants to Canada would change it?

[Canada_First]

What I do is point out that similar sorts of controls should be applied to several other occupations, industries and their management, that impact the public and it's domain.

You own your own boat. In order to do that take millions of dollars of operating costs. Don't tell us you're not rich ok. It's just BS.

You sit in some remote part of BC telling us how wonderful Muslims are for Canada. Yet you live as far away from them as possible...

[Canada_First]

Do you think a billion migrants to Canada would change it?

So you obviously think it would change Canada. Now why do you want to change Canada? What wrong with it how it was?

[-1=e^ipi]

I especially find it ironic that Obama has promised more billions of free weapons to the Saudis; and in case nobody's paying attention, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are conducting a war against the civilian population of Yemen right now...which includes dropping cluster bombs on civilians....which are made in the USA....ground zero for international terrorism is we're judging by where the guns&ammo originates.

Yep it's insane.

Saudis are aligned with Al Queda in Yemen and are trying to overthrow the relatively moderate Houthis in order to impose Wahabbi Islamism.

[eyeball]

You own your own boat. In order to do that take millions of dollars of operating costs. Don't tell us you're not rich ok. It's just BS.

You sit in some remote part of BC telling us how wonderful Muslims are for Canada. Yet you live as far away from them as possible...

Ok.

[ironstone]

Our military involvement with taking a side in the so called 'civil war' in Syria is a direct cause of the exodus of people from Syria. I hear the question 'when are we gonna do something about the refugees', well that question should have been answered before we had our pilots fly the first sorties over Syria. Come on what the F do you think was going to happen?

We have 'people' like Kerry give Russia crap from dealing with the officially recognized government of Syria. They are the government, no matter what we think. What we are doing is supporting terrorism and terrorists to combat Assad. And that is a real example of terrorism. Using violence for political change. The only way many can't label it as terrorism is because our soldiers and allies are participating in the terrorism. This is what many need to understand and recognize. It would be no different from using the same tactic against any other nation on the planet with an officially recognized government. Once some get that through their thick skulls, we will then have a better and clearer path going forward.

Some governments and some people simply cannot be reasoned with,you fall into that category.

[Rue]

Ironstone, if I was a military man which I am not, closest I ever came was peeling potatoes, digging toilets and cleaning feet given I had no ability with a gun but man I could clean toes, I will say this-I would see both ISIL and Assad as equally problematic and so I would at this point wipe them both out.

Easier said then done I suppose. I guess my point is I would say to the pilots, pretty much blow the crap out of anyone with a weapon.

Guess that is not politically correct. You see some here, believe there is always a good guy and a bad guy. From what I know of the ME, there is no such thing-what you have is a form of extremist religion that's been around 3,000 years and has always been in the state of a civil war and all it understands is brute force which can contain it but won't end it.

The extremists you see are like sandstorms of the desert. They come out of nowhere with a rage and blind everyone. Then they vanish as quick as they came until the next time.

You learn to read the sky and smell when they are coming. At best you have spells of temporary breathing space but no matter what-you always remain thirsty. It aint Canada that's for sure.

See trying to explain it to some soft arm chair boy in Mama's basement is like trying to explain what its like to a guy to be thirsty who has all the beer his stomach can handle.

Aint gonna happen unless you take the bottle out of his mouth.

[Hudson Jones]

Ironstone, if I was a military man which I am not, closest I ever came was peeling potatoes, digging toilets and cleaning feet given I had no ability with a gun but man I could clean toes, I will say this-I would see both ISIL and Assad as equally problematic and so I would at this point wipe them both out.

Easier said then done I suppose. I guess my point is I would say to the pilots, pretty much blow the crap out of anyone with a weapon.

Guess that is not politically correct. You see some here, believe there is always a good guy and a bad guy.

Carpet bombing has never worked. Despite the overwhelming evidence, you are advocating for it. This makes you a bad guy.

[GostHacked]

Some governments and some people simply cannot be reasoned with,you fall into that category.

I agree some governments can't be reasoned with. But that is because we are viewing it from a Western vantage point. Some might consider our government unreasonable.