socialist Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Posted August 21, 2015 And then...if we're to believe you're for real...you joined the side that cornered the market on self righteous hypocrisy! Stereotypes like the one you so callously used above is the problem. You not me. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Posted August 21, 2015 I will get this thread back on track after it was hijacked by hypocrites exposing and obsessing over hypocrites. Anyway, Hackers dump SECOND, even bigger batch of Ashley Madison records with taunting message to millionaire founder of 'cheating dirtbag' sitehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205189/Hackers-dump-SECOND-bigger-batch-Ashley-Madison-records-taunting-message-millionaire-founder-cheating-dirtbag-site.html Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
msj Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 I will get this thread back on track after it was hijacked by hypocrites exposing and obsessing over hypocrites. Anyway, Hackers dump SECOND, even bigger batch of Ashley Madison records with taunting message to millionaire founder of 'cheating dirtbag' site http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205189/Hackers-dump-SECOND-bigger-batch-Ashley-Madison-records-taunting-message-millionaire-founder-cheating-dirtbag-site.html So we are clear: you are stating that if it comes out that someone like Bill Clinton or, say, Josh Earnest ( to use another person named Josh who is rather obscure but is clearly a Democrat), that you will ignore such information and will fight against these individuals being outed? I will not speak for Kimmy as she has already explained herself well enough. As for me, the information is out there and whoever gets caught up in this will have to deal with the consequences whether the allegations are true or not. Where is the hypocrisy in this position? It is you who is concerned with having laws to crack down on the hackers (and media) to prevent such leaks. In the meantime, the rest of us who are not touched by this can sit back and enjoy the show: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED! Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
socialist Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Posted August 21, 2015 So we are clear: you are stating that if it comes out that someone like Bill Clinton or, say, Josh Earnest ( to use another person named Josh who is rather obscure but is clearly a Democrat), that you will ignore such information and will fight against these individuals being outed? I will not speak for Kimmy as she has already explained herself well enough. As for me, the information is out there and whoever gets caught up in this will have to deal with the consequences whether the allegations are true or not. Where is the hypocrisy in this position? It is you who is concerned with having laws to crack down on the hackers (and media) to prevent such leaks. In the meantime, the rest of us who are not touched by this can sit back and enjoy the show: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED! I haven't mentioned any names, whether they are people YOU like or, obviously dislike. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
msj Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I haven't mentioned any names, whether they are people YOU like or, obviously dislike. By your dodge I will assume when someone you don't like comes out that you will be very gleeful. Perhaps you won't bother to share that glee on this forum, especially now that you have built up your position, but YOU WILL BE ENTERTAINED!!! Edited August 21, 2015 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WIP Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 I will get this thread back on track after it was hijacked by hypocrites exposing and obsessing over hypocrites. Anyway, Hackers dump SECOND, even bigger batch of Ashley Madison records with taunting message to millionaire founder of 'cheating dirtbag' site http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205189/Hackers-dump-SECOND-bigger-batch-Ashley-Madison-records-taunting-message-millionaire-founder-cheating-dirtbag-site.html So, we're supposed to look the other way when people pretending to be something they are not...and Worse: trying to enforce the moral rules they don't uphold, are exposed as total frauds! And we're supposed to look the other way when so many rich and powerful are among the names on the list. And we're supposed to feel sorry for the creep who started a website he calls "Ashley Madison" for some reason! I have as much sympathy for him as I do for the pimp who made all the Girls Gone Wild videos and ended up bankrupt! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
socialist Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Posted August 21, 2015 By your dodge I will assume when someone you don't like comes out that you will be very gleeful. Perhaps you won't bother to share that glee on this forum, especially now that you have built up your position, but YOU WILL BE ENTERTAINED!!! I see you are one of those people who deals with "ifs". Your baseless generalizations and stereotypes bring this forum down. Grow up. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
msj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I see you are one of those people who deals with "ifs". Your baseless generalizations and stereotypes bring this forum down. Grow up. We all deal in "ifs" at one time or another. No need for the "grow up" comment though. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
socialist Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) We all deal in "ifs" at one time or another. No need for the "grow up" comment though. Yes there is because you are trying very hard to make something out of nothing. And in y world there are is no such thing as "if". Edited August 22, 2015 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 In the meantime, the rest of us who are not touched by this can sit back and enjoy the show: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED! I'm not entertained in the least and I am not touched by this at all. I am disturbed. I am by no means in favour of infidelity, however, this information was obtained illegally and was posted for public consumption for nefarious/entertainment reasons. Do you really think these hackers could care less about cheaters? I would think not. Consider for example, the partnerships, where the one partner knows of the affairs but silently turns a blind eye for whatever reason. Well, now that the affair has been exposed for all to see (neighbours, PTA, etc), the partner feels they must leave the relationship, uprooting the family, children etc, just to save face. This is no longer ENTERTAINMENT. It is an invasion of privacy. To think that you are entertained because it doesn't affect you sounds a bit obscene. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
msj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 And in y world there are is no such thing as "if". Really? So you did not write this: If the NDP win we are done. They wreck every province they have had power in. And not just the normal "wreck" that comes with most governments. DESTROY. There has never been a successful NDP government. This is what will happen if the NDP get a majority: 1) All guns but bolt action will be outlawed and even bolt action will have to be registered again. 2) $15 min wage. All small businesses close or lay off over 50% of their staff causing MASSIVE (etc etc etc) Kinda hypocritical but as I said, we all deal in ifs and there isn't anything wrong about that. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I'm not entertained in the least and I am not touched by this at all. I am disturbed. I am by no means in favour of infidelity, however, this information was obtained illegally and was posted for public consumption for nefarious/entertainment reasons. Do you really think these hackers could care less about cheaters? I would think not. Consider for example, the partnerships, where the one partner knows of the affairs but silently turns a blind eye for whatever reason. Well, now that the affair has been exposed for all to see (neighbours, PTA, etc), the partner feels they must leave the relationship, uprooting the family, children etc, just to save face. This is no longer ENTERTAINMENT. It is an invasion of privacy. To think that you are entertained because it doesn't affect you sounds a bit obscene. I have no idea about the motives and don't care. Why should I care? You have failed to convince me why I should care about cheaters getting caught. In fact, while I have no problem with AM conducting business I also have no problem with the release of this data. It's a risk we all take in modern society (banking, for example can be hacked) so deal with the consequences. If one was thinking of the children then one should have considered that prior to signing up. Once again, deal with the consequences while I get the popcorn. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WestCoastRunner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I have no idea about the motives and don't care. Why should I care? You have failed to convince me why I should care about cheaters getting caught. In fact, while I have no problem with AM conducting business I also have no problem with the release of this data. It's a risk we all take in modern society (banking, for example can be hacked) so deal with the consequences. If one was thinking of the children then one should have considered that prior to signing up. Once again, deal with the consequences while I get the popcorn. 60% of men and 45% of women cheat in a marriage. So should we expose this many people to public exposure when the behaviour is so prevalent? This is my opinion, nothing less and nothing more. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Edited August 22, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
socialist Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Posted August 22, 2015 Really? So you did not write this: Kinda hypocritical but as I said, we all deal in ifs and there isn't anything wrong about that. Not at all. Look what they have done. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
msj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 60% of men and 45% of women cheat in a marriage. So should we expose this many people to public exposure when the behaviour is so prevalent? I have not claimed they should be exposed. What I have said is that when they are exposed they can deal with the consequences while I grab the popcorn and enjoy the entertainment. And, yes, I do particularly enjoy seeing the screws put to the religious hypocrites. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WestCoastRunner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I have not claimed they should be exposed. What I have said is that when they are exposed they can deal with the consequences while I grab the popcorn and enjoy the entertainment. And, yes, I do particularly enjoy seeing the screws put to the religious hypocrites. And good for you. Cast no stones. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
msj Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Cast no stones. If one doesn't want no stones cast then one shouldn't get caught. Especially when one gives so much lip service to family values etc. I don't subscribe to that religious BS anyway and, strangely enough for being a godless heathen, I also don't cheat on my spouse so no worries from me. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 The chickens are coming home to roost. I hope that Ashley Madison goes down hard. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WIP Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 60% of men and 45% of women cheat in a marriage. So should we expose this many people to public exposure when the behaviour is so prevalent? This is my opinion, nothing less and nothing more. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Are you sure "cheat" is the proper term? I bet that if you re-read the material, it would have listed how many have had sex with another person while married. I doubt that all of them are done clandestine...on the sly...which is what Ashley Madison clients have been doing. And so far I notice from what little I've read on the story in the past two days, that the vast majority of clients are men! Where do they find the women for these men looking to have affairs? Maybe they have to line them up with prostitutes. Simple fact of life is that women do not have to try as hard to have an affair as most men do, so that might be part of the gender disparity I notice so far. My position is that the company - Ashley Madison should be shut down and it's owner charged with fraud...since it's his malpractice that led so many clients to thinking that they were safe on his site. Celebrity clients should be featured in Vox, Raw Story and some of the other liberal online scandal rags that are drawn to this kind of story, and the average joe's trying to cheat on their wives....I'm not even that sympathetic to their plight....it seems a little similar to a lot of guys I've known over the years who brag about their screwing around, until they get caught....and then they join the MRA movement etc.. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
cybercoma Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I hope that Ashley Madison goes down hard. Pun intended, I'm sure. Quote
Shady Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 If people are upset about being caught, then perhaps they shouldn't register online to have affairs. Don't cheat on your spouse and you have nothing to worry about. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) If people are upset about being caught, then perhaps they shouldn't register online to have affairs. Don't cheat on your spouse and you have nothing to worry about. How about if some organization illegally obtained the clients list and information of a gay dating site. Would publishing the list and "outing" those who choose not to, be acceptable to you? I feel that this is a question of privacy rather than the nature of the site. How about the subscription list to a nudist magazine? Nudism is legal, healthy and practiced by many people world wide - but many participants choose to keep their recreational choices private. Edited August 23, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
kimmy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 There's certainly a concern, Big Guy. I have heard that Saudi Arabia may be using data obtained through the Ashley Madison leak to identify gay people. Since homosexuality is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, this data leak could potentially result in peoples' death (unlike the imaginary spies allegedly put at risk by Edward Snowden...) MSJ wrote earlier about the gay businessman who was outed by Gawker after an escort tried to blackmail him. That was appalling journalism. There was no public interest served by that story. That news story served to further the ends of a blackmailer. (The only matter of public interest that came out of the story was the discovery that Ted Cruz's office was helping the gay escort find legal resources to fight his eviction. That's right... a story involving anti-gay bigotry where Ted Cruz turned out to be the only decent person involved. How weird is that?) But I maintain that Josh Duggar's misadventures *are* a matter of public interest. He's both a celebrity and (until recently) a political figure. In other Ashley Madison news, the leak turns out to be the result of a disgruntled employee. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
WIP Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 How about if some organization illegally obtained the clients list and information of a gay dating site. Would publishing the list and "outing" those who choose not to, be acceptable to you? Doesn't anyone get the point: there wouldn't be any personal information to hack from former clients if the company hadn't been lying about destroying personal and credit information of past clients! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Posted August 23, 2015 Doesn't anyone get the point: there wouldn't be any personal information to hack from former clients if the company hadn't been lying about destroying personal and credit information of past clients! I can't believe that members of the Canadian House of Lords used this dubious service. http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/08/22/leaked-ashley-madison-name-matches-senators Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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