ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Posted August 19, 2015 Well let's keep handing our forced millions to unions so the union bosses can get rich and fight Conservatives while people starve in the streets. Thank you for attributing views to me that I don't hold. It shows you have nothing when you have to make stuff up to back up your points. I've been a union member for years and have managed union members for years. My view on unions is that they are generally self-interested, rule-bound bureaucracies. At best, unions are, like the military, the police and the courts, necessary evils. However, you have to see them in context. They came about to address the huge power imbalance between employers and employees. And it's also true that some of the most beautiful, selfless people that I've come across are union members I ran with socialists who really din't give a damn abut the poor. They used the poor to exploit votes. That's all. I don't know who you ran with and I don't really care. Socialism does attract the young, the naive and the ideological. But it is a higher state of being than capitalism and it needs intelligence and wisdom for it to work. Maybe that's why you gave up on it. You are no better than those you hate. Grow up! Thank you for your concern for my well being. However, I have grown up. I used to think like you; but that was before I learned how to think. Conservatism, particularly as practised by the Harperites is for the dull and the unimaginative. And I don't hate anyone. I have a healthy degree of contempt for the Conservatives and what they stand for. But I don't hate them. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 You can be cute all you like. Vicious, smearing attack ads are very much American style. It's not surprising that Harper, who likes to emulate your Republicans, brought them here. Don't be silly. I remember the attack ads the Trudeau Liberals launched. They were pretty nasty against poor Bob Stanfield and Joe Clark. Mulroney ran attack ads, and Chretien's were particularly nasty against the Reform party. Either you weren't alive then or didn't care because it was your side doing it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted August 20, 2015 Report Posted August 20, 2015 So reefer, what did harper ever do to you to warrant such hate? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 So reefer, what did harper ever do to you to warrant such hate? I'm suspecting it's related to marijuana legalization... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted August 21, 2015 Report Posted August 21, 2015 I'm suspecting it's related to marijuana legalization... I see he never answered the question. I guess he just smoked one and forgot. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ReeferMadness Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Posted August 21, 2015 I see he never answered the question. I guess he just smoked one and forgot. Or maybe the question was just so nonsensical that I assumed it was nothing but rhetoric. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Icebound Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 @inky_mark represented a rural Manitoba riding from 1997-2010. (I lived in that riding at one time). He started out with Reform, and represented the riding for the various incarnations of Conservatism over the years... including the Harper Conservatives since 2002. He resigned in 2010 and did not run in the 2011 election. I hadn't thought much about him since .....until I tripped over his twitter account today. It is hard to believe that a long time MP could become so disenchanted with his leader: https://twitter.com/inky_mark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inky_Mark .... Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Blistering nonsense. You forget Mulroney accepted millions and then lied about it.As for voting for the Tories, as long as the opposition consists of boy Trudeau and the Marxist NDP there really is no alternative. Aren't the PCs a valued part of the Conservative Party now? Tom Mulcair, a Marxist? I think a lot of disappointed NDP activists would disagree strongly with that characterization. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 The three main parties are all offering centrist solutions and pretending there are radical differences. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Smallc Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 The three main parties are all offering centrist solutions and pretending there are radical differences. That's pretty much it yeah. Quote
PIK Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 There is, harper is not planning 20 billion dollar boondoggle of a energy plan, the same plan that has sunk ONT. Even Mulcairs plan will fail unless there is major cuts and high taxes. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 There is, harper is not planning 20 billion dollar boondoggle of a energy plan, the same plan that has sunk ONT. Even Mulcairs plan will fail unless there is major cuts and high taxes. I should just put you on ignore, since I know every last one of your posts will just say "Harper good! Opposition bad!" I don't even need to read the antonyms. Quote
The_Squid Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Here is a good example of how Harper has tarnished (ruined?) Canada's reputation abroad. We have definitely fallen far when it comes to international leadership as a nation. It has gone from inadequate under Chretien to absolutely pathetic under Harper. How far we have fallen from Pearson's contribution to the world... Pearson, Canada’s 14th prime minister, is considered the father of peacekeeping and won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1957 for the “Canadian resolution” that laid the groundwork for United Nations missions -------------------------- Consistently in state-of-the-nation polls, though, Canadians say that the country’s international reputation as peacekeeper is held dear, sewn into our national identity like maple leaf flags on backpacks. But that reputation does not reflect reality. Today, Canadian troops who earned that reputation in Namibia and Cambodia have been replaced by chequebook peacekeeping. No Canadian troops are in Boda or anywhere else in the Central African Republic (CAR). None are to be among the 12,000-strong UN mission that was approved earlier this year to stop this poor, landlocked nation of 4.6 million from slipping into genocide. --------------------------------------- There are only 34 Canadian military personnel participating in peacekeeping missions worldwide, including seven in Haiti, eight in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and one in Cyprus. There were once 3,300 in the field. -------------------------------------- http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/10/31/how_canada_has_abandoned_its_role_as_a_peacekeeper.html Quote
Smallc Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Why can't we do our own thing? We've spent most of the last 10 years on a massive NATO mission that was UN sanctioned. Quote
Argus Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Aren't the PCs a valued part of the Conservative Party now? Tom Mulcair, a Marxist? I think a lot of disappointed NDP activists would disagree strongly with that characterization. Most of the PCs are Liberals, which, given they were always liberals, shouldn't shock. Mulcair isn't a Marxist but his party is jam packed with them. And anyone who thinks they're all going to suddenly and meekly adjust to capitalism once the election is over is kidding themselves. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Here is a good example of how Harper has tarnished (ruined?) Canada's reputation abroad. We have definitely fallen far when it comes to international leadership as a nation. It has gone from inadequate under Chretien to absolutely pathetic under Harper. How far we have fallen from Pearson's contribution to the world... There is no peacekeeping any more. Peacekeeping was performed between nation states who would by and large respect the blue helmets. That died in Rwanda and Bosnia. The days when peacekeepers walked around with unloaded weapons and relied on the prestige of the UN to keep them safe are dead as the UN peacekeepers slaughtered in Africa, the middle east and the caucasious. Besides which it simply costs far too much to use western soldiers as peacekeepers. It costs a half million a year to keep a Canadian soldier in Afghanistan. The UN pays nations about $1000 per month per soldier. That's why most blue helmets these days are poorer third world countries who need the money and aren't all that concerned about casualties or kidnappings. I notice, btw, that your chart ignores Canadian participation in Afghanistan. Edited September 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 That's pretty much it yeah. Changing the way we elect MPs is pretty damned radical. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 What your graph doesn't indicate is that the majority of UN peacekeeping missions today, mostly in Africa, are staffed by African Union forces, with Western forces providing training and adviser roles to said forces...........A result of the failed past mission in Somalia and Rwanda, and Africans not feeling comfortable with thousands of white soldiers policing them in their own countries......Of which, the British learned the hard way in Sierra Leone over 15 years ago... Quote
The_Squid Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 What your graph doesn't indicate is that the majority of UN peacekeeping missions today, mostly in Africa, are staffed by African Union forces, with Western forces providing training and adviser roles to said forces...........A result of the failed past mission in Somalia and Rwanda, and Africans not feeling comfortable with thousands of white soldiers policing them in their own countries......Of which, the British learned the hard way in Sierra Leone over 15 years ago... France has over 900 troops. Little Finland has over 300. Ireland has 370 Japan 272 Netherlands 681 Canada's contribution and leadership in Peacekeeping is pathetic under Harper. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) France has over 900 troops. Little Finland has over 300. Ireland has 370 Japan 272 Netherlands 681 Canada's contribution and leadership in Peacekeeping is pathetic under Harper. You realize most of those cited nations members are currently serving with ISAF (and now Resolute Support) in Afghanistan right? You'd have Canada return to the dirt box? Edited September 15, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote
The_Squid Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) You realize most of those cited nations members are currently serving with ISAF (and now Resolute Support) in Afghanistan right? You'd have Canada return to the dirt box? In a UN peacekeeping role, sure. We cut and run from there... we should be leading the world in peacekeeping like we used to. Unlike your silly pre-conceived notions about pacifist "left-wingers" we do believe the military has an important role in the world. It's just that our role and yours is much different. "Left-wingers" are not anti-military. Anti-war, yes. Edited September 15, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Most reputable nations - Canada 1st http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2015/07/15/the-worlds-most-reputable-countries-2015/ Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Changing the way we elect MPs is pretty damned radical. Not in a left/ right sense. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Most of the PCs are Liberals, which, given they were always liberals, shouldn't shock. Mulcair isn't a Marxist but his party is jam packed with them. And anyone who thinks they're all going to suddenly and meekly adjust to capitalism once the election is over is kidding themselves. Most PCs are Liberals? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
Derek 2.0 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 In a UN peacekeeping role, sure. We cut and run from there... we should be leading the world in peacekeeping like we used to. Unlike your silly pre-conceived notions about pacifist "left-wingers" we do believe the military has an important role in the world. It's just that our role and yours is much different. "Left-wingers" are not anti-military. Anti-war, yes. Cut and run? We finished our portion of the training mission, after a decade of combat operations, and rotated out and were replaced by said forces..........and no, I don't have any such pre-conceived notions, quite the opposite, the political left in Canada has gotten us into every single war or combat mission in Canadian history, absent the first Gulf War, the Libyan mission (but both the Liberals and NDP supported it) and the recent bombing campaign in Iraq/Syria...... Quote
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