eyeball Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 That might be true, but more likely, they were forced from the trees.... By your fearful screeching. .....those that beat their swords to ploughshares, end up plowing for someone else. End up being forced to plow, by governments, for people with more money and power than ethics. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 It isn't the UN's peacekeeping thats a myth but UN peacemaking certainly is a myth. Why did the UN use soldiers and not philosophers (or lawyers) for peacekeeping? Quote
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Because conservatives would have laughed at them. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Why did the UN use soldiers and not philosophers (or lawyers) for peacekeeping? That's a very good question. Where were all the peacemongers when it was time to deploy for "peacekeeping"? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Why did the UN use soldiers and not philosophers (or lawyers) for peacekeeping? What peace? Haven't you been paying attention? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 That's a very good question. Where were all the peacemongers when it was time to deploy for "peacekeeping"? They were busy trying to raise the alarm to what war-mongers were doing to our political process', economy and environment here at home. The real and far greater threat to our future was becoming more apparent. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Hey its not all that hard to find peacmongers - it doesn't seem that difficult to find people willing to stand in front of bulldozers or sail into blockades or chain themselves to vessels at sea. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Derek 2.0 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 By your fearful screeching. Geopolitics is but a part of the animal kingdom…..in ethology, there are always alphas, betas and omegas…….. End up being forced to plow, by governments, for people with more money and power than ethics. Ethics are subjective…….in geopolitics, like nature, it’s far more palatable to have ethics when one is holding the big stick with a belly full of food. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 They were busy trying to raise the alarm to what war-mongers were doing to our political process', economy and environment here at home. Just as I suspected...doing anything but deploying to trouble spots to do actual "peacekeeping". Much easier to let the "warmongers" do that, eh ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Hey its not all that hard to find peacmongers - it doesn't seem that difficult to find people willing to stand in front of bulldozers or sail into blockades or chain themselves to vessels at sea. Methinks that collaborating with terrorist organizations is not peacekeeping. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) ah. Good point. Neutrality is absolutely necessary. ETA : Thats why philosiphers and lawyers weren't recruited for peace-keeping missions! The peace-keepers need the discipline to remain neutral and not get all emotional under stress. Thats why they always send soldiers on those things. Edited September 18, 2015 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
eyeball Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Geopolitics is but a part of the animal kingdom…..in ethology, there are always alphas, betas and omegas……..Ethics are subjective…….in geopolitics, like nature, it’s far more palatable to have ethics when one is holding the big stick with a belly full of food. Spoken like a lawyer philosopher as opposed to a warrior poet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 ETA : Thats why philosiphers and lawyers weren't recruited for peace-keeping missions! The peace-keepers need the discipline to remain neutral and not get all emotional under stress. Thats why they always send soldiers on those things. Ironic eh ? Only the "neutral" warmongers are qualified for peacekeeping. Wow ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Yes! Very true. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Army Guy Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 The consequences should have been bringing the leading Nations to bear, NATO, Russia and all their military might, which may have given them pause....do we really want all these guys dictating our future, or do we stop . Atleast we agree that the UN has failed to stop genocide at any level...., and while for the most part UN forces in Yugo were lightly armed, that was not a major factor, that equipment could have been brought forward within days or weeks....we had enough arms on the ground to stop the slaughter of bus loads of people....what we did not have was the UN will to step over that line....to make a decision to save lives that is what the people wanted.....for us to protect them....instead we stood by and watched as they were boarded onto busses headed for the country side, to be cleansed forever....all this while holding a C-7 rifle with 5 mags of ammo, in full combat gear, all that training just to burst into tears as we watched the busses leave....Every soldier their ask the same same question everyday, why are we here, what was the point of even getting up in the morning to go on patrol..... i've seen enough murder just once we should be allowed to stop these acts.... And while all this was happening the chain of command was trying to ensure our emotions did not over ride the UN mission to observe, record and report......that was not the original Peacekeeping Canada invented..... Peacemaking is not a myth, how do you explain the Yugo mission after NATO took over, why has the fighting stopped....and how did reconstruction start.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Peacemaking is not a myth, how do you explain the Yugo mission after NATO took over, why has the fighting stopped....and how did reconstruction start.... UN peacemaking is a myth. NATO peacemaking has been shown to be not-a-myth. Russian peace-making too. Or French peace-making or British or Australian and on and on. But UN Peacemaking? impossible: They have no elfin army. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Army Guy Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 My bad i did not read all the post, and flew off on a tangent. your right....although i would not say no army , Nations agree to loan military forces to accomplish certain mission with mandates that all concerned agree with....so it might be possible to have parts of other nations military forces under their command.....not many would agree to a combat mission that could effect their foreign policy. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Peter F Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 ...not many would agree to a combat mission that could effect their foreign policy. absolutely. Which is why the UN rules are the way they are. The propaganda of years past was that the UN would be the answer to all things - despite its rules. That propaganda story has been destroyed and everybody thinks the UN is a useless pile of junk - also very wrong. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Argus Posted September 19, 2015 Report Posted September 19, 2015 I'm saying conservatism was given way way to big a role. As has already been stated, peacekeeping as a noble profession died when the UN failed to hammer those who took its peacekeepers hostage. Conservatives would have shredded anyone who did that. It was the Left who did a lot of hand wringing and whining and begging of the Serbs to please don't hurt our peacekeepers and release them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canada_First Posted September 19, 2015 Report Posted September 19, 2015 PM Harper is doing a great job as PM of Canada. He has a steady hand at the controls which is exactly what we need. We don't need radical changes such as those that Trudeau and Mulcair suggest. We need the steady leadership of an experienced PM. PM Harper is just what Canada needs at this time. He's doing a really good job. Keeping budgets in line. Helping the middle class and providing strong leadership on immigration and security. God bless you Stephen Harper. God bless you and your family. God bless you... Quote
eyeball Posted September 19, 2015 Report Posted September 19, 2015 As has already been stated, peacekeeping as a noble profession died when the UN failed to hammer those who took its peacekeepers hostage. Conservatives would have shredded anyone who did that. It was the Left who did a lot of hand wringing and whining and begging of the Serbs to please don't hurt our peacekeepers and release them. Now Serbs are peacekeepers. Go figure. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Peter F Posted September 19, 2015 Report Posted September 19, 2015 As has already been stated, peacekeeping as a noble profession died when the UN failed to hammer those who took its peacekeepers hostage. Conservatives would have shredded anyone who did that. It was the Left who did a lot of hand wringing and whining and begging of the Serbs to please don't hurt our peacekeepers and release them. uh no. Conservatives wouldn't have been able to shred anybody. Not that they didn't want to, mind, but only because they did not have the means to - despite all the chest thumping and demanding and gnashing of the teeth. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Canada_First Posted September 19, 2015 Report Posted September 19, 2015 I don't understand why some here insist our military should act cowardly. Quote
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