Why I Won't Vote NDP

[Rue]

I want a Tory minority However barring a miracle I think the NDP is going to get elected by a majority. I hope I am wrong. However I believe the current Tory campaign is in a free fall unable to shake the Duffy trial plus world economic market instability that Canadians will blame Harper for. The incumbent is always blamed for the world economic market conditions.

The Duffy scandal displaced the NDP scandal which was far worse and people do not discuss in how they spent government funds illegally for partisan activities. No one discusses it. I am surprised Harper won't.

Then we have the two faced Trudeau relying on the support of the most corrupt provincial government of all time in Ontario. Harper skirted that corruption as well.

Harper's response to the Duffy issue has been a failure. He should have stated the buck stops with him, he ordered the 90,000 paid out because what Duffy did was wrong and it would have been over. Instead he has chosen the route of plausible denial a weak p.r. device. No one buys his plausible denial, i.e., not knowing. People do not give politicians the benefit of the doubt, particularly the incumbent.

It's why many bailed on him before the election including Peter McKay who wants his job. I also think Jean Charest will be considering it.

Canadian voters are blaming Harper for over-dependence on our oil exports for revenue and his failure to diversify the economy. He will be blamed for our over-dependence on selling oil to China and world oil prices as the cause of our recession.

Oil prices will stay low until after the election dooming him. He can't portray a healthy economy and good policies when oil remains low. It has triggered a recession in Canada and he is blamed for that dependence.

If it suddenly went back up the damage is already done. People are asking why the dependency on oil?

Canadians will blame him for world markets sucking manufacturing out of Canada to countries with dirt poor labour Canada can't compete with.

Unfortunately he is toast. People are buying into the suddenly not so socialist Mulcair rhetoric of not running a deficit.

You believe that? Right.

Suddenly Mr Socialist insists he will not allow a deficit and supports small business? You believe that? More and more Canadians do.

The writing is on the wall and it says in Harper's blood, he is toast.

I still feel Harper is the safest of the 3 to handle the economy and foreign policy but too much time in power has rotted any confidence and good will he had and Mulcair is the king of smarmy sneery insincere schmooze. He knows how to lay out that weasel greasy car sales charm. He reminds me of a dirty Uncle I would not allow near anyone's daughter. Smarmy.

Trudeau will see erosion to the NDP in Ontario and Quebec. No one anti Tory will vote Liberal outside Ontario and Quebec and maybe pockets of Atlantic Canada. He is a media disaster with his inability to discuss foreign or economic policy.

Mulcair is holding off on foreign policy which he knows is a hot button issue. He doesn't want to sabotage his lead by looking soft on terrorism so he will avoid that issue as long as possible.

I think Trudeau took in some very militant pro Muslim extremists into his foreign policy circle that Mulcair told to beat it and that will in the long run make the difference helping Mulcair who is too much of a politician to get controlled by any one extremist group or interest. He actually has alienated the left wing in his party doing that but his rejection of old time trade union socialist rhetoric for small C conservative-middle of the road Liberal rhetoric makes him sound like Paul Martin and Lester B. Pearson with a little Tommy Dougls now and then.

Harper looks stunned. He needs to shake it up. I mean if he at least showed some fire, he might salvage a two way race.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Rue

[waldo]

The Duffy scandal seems to have displaced the NDP scandal which was far worse and people do not discuss in how they spent government funds illegally for partisan activities.

re: your declared "NDP scandal": the IBOE ruling has no suggestion of funds being used illegally for partisan purposes; rather, the issue concerns money spent for support staff within satellite offices versus Ottawa offices. The NDP has chosen to take the appeal process available in that regard and the matter is expected to appear before a federal court at a future date. Your use of a legality designation is questionable in that no related law has been cited; rather, the IBOE ruling maintains a HOC rule was not followed.

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[Smallc]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ndp-pulls-policy-book-from-its-website-to-make-way-for-tom-mulcairs-election-platform

So mulcair has had his people take down their policies off of the web, it seems tommy has other ideas.

If you don't expect Harper to ban gay marriage (a conservative policy) then you shouldn't expect Mulcair to do everything in the policy book either. Edited August 27, 2015 by Smallc

[PIK]

I want a Tory minority However barring a miracle I think the NDP is going to get elected by a majority. I hope I am wrong. However I believe the current Tory campaign is in a free fall unable to shake the Duffy trial plus world economic market instability that Canadians will blame Harper for. The incumbent is always blamed for the world economic market conditions.

The Duffy scandal displaced the NDP scandal which was far worse and people do not discuss in how they spent government funds illegally for partisan activities. No one discusses it. I am surprised Harper won't.

Then we have the two faced Trudeau relying on the support of the most corrupt provincial government of all time in Ontario. Harper skirted that corruption as well.

Harper's response to the Duffy issue has been a failure. He should have stated the buck stops with him, he ordered the 90,000 paid out because what Duffy did was wrong and it would have been over. Instead he has chosen the route of plausible denial a weak p.r. device. No one buys his plausible denial, i.e., not knowing. People do not give politicians the benefit of the doubt, particularly the incumbent.

It's why many bailed on him before the election including Peter McKay who wants his job. I also think Jean Charest will be considering it.

Canadian voters are blaming Harper for over-dependence on our oil exports for revenue and his failure to diversify the economy. He will be blamed for our over-dependence on selling oil to China and world oil prices as the cause of our recession.

Oil prices will stay low until after the election dooming him. He can't portray a healthy economy and good policies when oil remains low. It has triggered a recession in Canada and he is blamed for that dependence.

If it suddenly went back up the damage is already done. People are asking why the dependency on oil?

Canadians will blame him for world markets sucking manufacturing out of Canada to countries with dirt poor labour Canada can't compete with.

Unfortunately he is toast. People are buying into the suddenly not so socialist Mulcair rhetoric of not running a deficit.

You believe that? Right.

Suddenly Mr Socialist insists he will not allow a deficit and supports small business? You believe that? More and more Canadians do.

The writing is on the wall and it says in Harper's blood, he is toast.

I still feel Harper is the safest of the 3 to handle the economy and foreign policy but too much time in power has rotted any confidence and good will he had and Mulcair is the king of smarmy sneery insincere schmooze. He knows how to lay out that weasel greasy car sales charm. He reminds me of a dirty Uncle I would not allow near anyone's daughter. Smarmy.

Trudeau will see erosion to the NDP in Ontario and Quebec. No one anti Tory will vote Liberal outside Ontario and Quebec and maybe pockets of Atlantic Canada. He is a media disaster with his inability to discuss foreign or economic policy.

Mulcair is holding off on foreign policy which he knows is a hot button issue. He doesn't want to sabotage his lead by looking soft on terrorism so he will avoid that issue as long as possible.

I think Trudeau took in some very militant pro Muslim extremists into his foreign policy circle that Mulcair told to beat it and that will in the long run make the difference helping Mulcair who is too much of a politician to get controlled by any one extremist group or interest. He actually has alienated the left wing in his party doing that but his rejection of old time trade union socialist rhetoric for small C conservative-middle of the road Liberal rhetoric makes him sound like Paul Martin and Lester B. Pearson with a little Tommy Dougls now and then.

Harper looks stunned. He needs to shake it up. I mean if he at least showed some fire, he might salvage a two way race.

Wait for the debates to happen, especially the munk debate, where tommy will have to answer the questions.

[Argus]

I want a Tory minority However barring a miracle I think the NDP is going to get elected by a majority. I hope I am wrong. However I believe the current Tory campaign is in a free fall unable to shake the Duffy trial plus world economic market instability that Canadians will blame Harper for. The incumbent is always blamed for the world economic market conditions.

It's still two months to the election, and now the media won't have the Duffy trial to talk endlessly about and people will forget about it and start focusing on things like the economy and the trustworthiness of the leaders and their parties.

Btw, you might be interested in this:

Even with NDP leading polls, Conservatives projected to win more seats

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-election-forecast-2015/article25377958/

[waldo]

Wait for the debates to happen, especially the munk debate, where tommy will have to answer the questions.

3rd time in a short period today, I'm advising you that your continued (and now quite purposeful) use of the name reference as "tommy" is inappropriate... is against MLW forum rules.

[cybercoma]

If you don't expect Harper to ban gay marriage (a conservative policy and I don't expect Mulcair to do everything in the policy book either.

Policy books are not election platforms. Edited August 27, 2015 by cybercoma

[Smallc]

Policy books are not election platforms.

Nor are they governing documents.

[Smallc]

3rd time in a short period today, I'm advising you that your continued (and now quite purposeful) use of the name reference as "tommy" is inappropriate... is against MLW forum rules.

People in glass houses....

[waldo]

Btw, you might be interested in this:

Even with NDP leading polls, Conservatives projected to win more seats

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-election-forecast-2015/article25377958/

Btw, you might be interested in this graphic showing the seat projections updated, as of today, by CBC's aggregate polling Poll Tracker and Forum Research Polling:

[waldo]

People in glass houses....

pot, meet kettle! Thanks for your chirp.

[cybercoma]

People in glass houses....

AFAIK, waldo doesn't use diminutives to describe "Stevie" or anyone else for that matter. He used to go with the overly formal "MLW member, Smallc" back in the day.

[waldo]

AFAIK, waldo doesn't use diminutives to describe "Stevie" or anyone else for that matter. He used to go with the overly formal "MLW member, Smallc" back in the day.

yesireebob! Speaking of... that idiot play Harper made during the debates to purposely refer to Trudeau by his first name only... that appears to now be a part of the marching orders! On P&P yesterday, Harper Conservative MP Michelle Rempel kept referring to "Justin" even after one of the other panel members admonished her for doing so... and, of course, it now shows up in the ongoing attack ad avalanche. #HarperPettiness

[Smallc]

AFAIK, waldo doesn't use diminutives to describe "Stevie" or anyone else for that matter. He used to go with the overly formal "MLW member, Smallc" back in the day.

Now he has nice little nicknames for everyone. I doubt that's allowed.

[cybercoma]

Guess I haven't been paying close enough attention.

[poochy]

Its a bit silly to compare banning gay marriage, which no one of any authority has even mentioned, to raising taxes, especially on the evil 'rich people', which in this country is a populist idea, and is supported, and to an extent, planned by this ndp leader. A dislike of harper is not really a good reason to pretend that the ndp isnt still the ndp

[Smallc]

Its a bit silly to compare banning gay marriage, which no one of any authority has even mentioned, to raising taxes, especially on the evil 'rich people',

The NDP haven't proposed that though. I'm not in love with raising corporate taxes, but, if it's really to the 17%, well, it's not a big deal.

[Topaz]

Yesterday, I heard Harper call Justin Mr. then he turns around called him Justin, in the next breath, but always call Tom, Mr. This isn't earth shaking it just shows that the PM as no respect for Justin.

[PIK]

Yesterday, I heard Harper call Justin Mr. then he turns around called him Justin, in the next breath, but always call Tom, Mr. This isn't earth shaking it just shows that the PM as no respect for Justin.

Justin is a brand that the liberals have been using, so why not call him justin. If he is to afraid to use his last name that is his problem. He could have clled him a pievce of shit like trudeau once called a minister in the commons.

[waldo]

Now he has nice little nicknames for everyone. I doubt that's allowed.

for everyone! Such hyperbole. I have referred to you as lil'c but c'mon... that's less keystrokes and is clearly a term of endearment. I refer to Keepitsimple as 'Simple'... but so do most others (again, keystrokes). Who else... in your everyone assessment. Oh... just thought of one: D2.0 versus Derek 2.0... again, keystrokes! Who else, who else? Oh, yes... cyber versus cybercoma... but many use that same 'cyber' designation (again, keystrokes). Any more... any more? Oh, right... lil' socialGuy... ok, you got me there... that's actually more keystrokes than using socialist. Any more, any more... going once, going twice..... here's one: OGFT versus On Guard For Thee (again, OGFT is used by several members... again, keystrokes). Any more, any more... Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.....

[Keepitsimple]

for everyone! Such hyperbole. I have referred to you as lil'c but c'mon... that's less keystrokes and is clearly a term of endearment. I refer to Keepitsimple as 'Simple'... but so do most others (again, keystrokes). Who else... in your everyone assessment. Oh... just thought of one: D2.0 versus Derek 2.0... again, keystrokes! Who else, who else? Oh, yes... cyber versus cybercoma... but many use that same 'cyber' designation (again, keystrokes). Any more... any more? Oh, right... lil' socialGuy... ok, you got me there... that's actually more keystrokes than using socialist. Any more, any more... going once, going twice..... here's one: OGFT versus On Guard For Thee (again, OGFT is used by several members... again, keystrokes). Any more, any more... Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.....

Too funny. If you like to save keystrokes - why do you blather on so much?

[waldo]

Too funny. If you like to save keystrokes - why do you blather on so much?

measured keystroke usage is a sustainable approach; I also buy credits to support the extensive posts required to deal with your misinformation, disinformation, and unsubstantiated opinions.

[Derek 2.0]

Interesting commentary on Mulcair's proposed magical budget.......has a running tally of costed promises and proposed additional revenue streams......summed up nicely here:

What he wants YOU to believe is that he can take a deficit budget in a recession, spend multiple billions of dollars on new programs, not raise your personal income taxes, cut small-business taxes and produce a balanced budget immediately upon taking office.

What an amazing feat of financial prestidigitation! Either Mulcair has a money-minting genie in a magic lamp in the trunk of his campaign bus or he has some explaining to do to voters.

Trudeau has come clean and admitted to fulfill his promises that he will run into the red for several years.......Harper's promises, like before, are based on a balanced budget with a hefty surplus, as such, wouldn't come to fruition for several years at best.......It will be interesting to see Mulcair's magic further investigated in the coming weeks.....likely by the CPC, LPC and the MSM.

[waldo]

.......Harper's promises, like before, are based on a balanced budget with a hefty surplus, as such, wouldn't come to fruition for several years at best.......It will be interesting to see Mulcair's magic further investigated in the coming weeks.....likely by the CPC, LPC and the MSM.

Mr. Harper! No one believes you! There is no Harper balanced budget... the PBO projected a $1.5 billion deficit for this year alone. What surplus, at what point... based on what?

if you want to play the balanced game, this years makes 8 straight Harper Conservative deficit years. How does Harper expect to pay for all his election "vote buying" promises?

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[cybercoma]

How does Harper expect to pay for all his election "vote buying" promises?

That's an easy one. Just attach the condition to your "gifts" that the economy has to be fully recovered. Once elected, keep scare mongering people about how awful the economy is, but how terribly out of your hands it is as well. That way you never have to deliver.