Microaggressions

[cybercoma]

I'm more interested in you recognizing why these things are microaggressions than responding to every little scenario you can imagine. If you want to know more about what makes something a microaggression, read up on the theory.

[cybercoma]

No, I'm arguing that the variations in opportunity between different individuals of any race are larger than the variations in opportunity between the average member of any given race group.

Source?

[-1=e^ipi]

If you want to know more about what makes something a microaggression

Cause refusal to acknowledge someone's sexual orientation or gender identity, or dismissal of someone's experiences on the basis of their race or sex aren't microaggressions. *sarcasm*

[Bonam]

Source?

Should be pretty obvious if you think about it for a moment rather than just dismissing it out of hand. There are members of every race group born to billionaire parents and given every advantage possible in life, the richest and safest neighborhoods, vast networks of connections to provide career opportunities, money to buy whatever they want. Similarly, there are members of every race that are born to impoverished drug addicts who quickly become orphans and grow up without education and experience physical and sexual abuse throughout their childhood. The differences in opportunities between those individuals is far greater than the difference in opportunities between an average white person in Canada and an average black person in Canada, for example. If you're not prepared to take this as self-evident, I'm not sure there's much point to continue this line of discussion.

And if you really want stats, it's pretty easy. Consider one aspect of the issue like for example average income by race:

About a factor of 2 difference between the most succesful and least succesful groups in terms of income. On the other hand, what is the difference between the most succesful and least succesful members of each of those groups? Each group has people that earn $0, and each group has people that earn millions.

You can show the same for education, life expectancy, or whatever other metric you might choose.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Bonam

[Black Dog]

Nonsense. Having legs is not a privilege. The person without legs certainly has a disadvantage and society should offer them some support to help overcome that disadvantage, but that does not mean that the person that has legs is privileged.

That's exactly what it means. What do you think the word "privilege" means?

Having normal opportunities and being treated normally are not privileges - they are the way things should be.

But it's not the way things are. You're arguing some completely unrelated point.

If some members of society are "underprivileged", then that may perhaps need to be rectified in some way, but no one is privileged just to be a member of a certain race or gender.

So imbalances in privilege exist, but not when it comes to race and gender. Because?

[Black Dog]

Indeed. Anyone that assumes someone is "privileged" just because of the color of their skin is committing so many fallacies it's not even worth listing them all.

Yeah otherwise you might have to actually put some work into your posts.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Black Dog

[cybercoma]

Bonam, you do realize that the figures you're posting show exactly that race itself has an effect on someone's earnings. That a poor white person, is still going to earn more on the average than a poor black person. So all things being equal, race does have an effect above and beyond the other things that affect people's wages, in this example. So what you're doing is proving my point that you're casually dismissing.

[cybercoma]

Cause refusal to acknowledge someone's sexual orientation or gender identity, or dismissal of someone's experiences on the basis of their race or sex aren't microaggressions. *sarcasm*

You clearly haven't been following the discussion. You literally made a sarcastic post supporting what I've been saying.

[Boges]

Bonam, you do realize that the figures you're posting show exactly that race itself has an effect on someone's earnings. That a poor white person, is still going to earn more on the average than a poor black person. So all things being equal, race does have an effect above and beyond the other things that affect people's wages, in this example. So what you're doing is proving my point that you're casually dismissing.

Well if that's the case then Asians enjoy a position of privilege over whites.

[Bonam]

Bonam, you do realize that the figures you're posting show exactly that race itself has an effect on someone's earnings. That a poor white person, is still going to earn more on the average than a poor black person. So all things being equal, race does have an effect above and beyond the other things that affect people's wages, in this example. So what you're doing is proving my point that you're casually dismissing.

The point is that individual variations far outweigh race-to-race variations when it comes to any metric. You can say that certain race groups face certain disadvantages, and I would not disagree with that statement. But you can't look at an individual and say that they are "privileged" simply because of their race. Come on man, this is basic stuff. Statistical statements apply to large groups but tell you nothing about an individual.

[cybercoma]

Well if that's the case then Asians enjoy a position of privilege over whites.

In terms of earnings since the 90s they do, but why is that?

[cybercoma]

The point is that individual variations far outweigh race-to-race variations when it comes to any metric.

Not according to the stats you posted. Those figures show that race is over and above individual variations. Edited October 29, 2015 by cybercoma

[-1=e^ipi]

In terms of earnings since the 90s they do, but why is that?

According to SJWs, racism. Racism is the only possible explanation. There can be no other explanation for this outcome.

[Black Dog]

The point is that individual variations far outweigh race-to-race variations when it comes to any metric. You can say that certain race groups face certain disadvantages, and I would not disagree with that statement. But you can't look at an individual and say that they are "privileged" simply because of their race. Come on man, this is basic stuff. Statistical statements apply to large groups but tell you nothing about an individual.

And that's white privilege in a nutshell.

[cybercoma]

According to SJWs, racism. Racism is the only possible explanation. There can be no other explanation for this outcome.

You speak for social justice warriors now?

[Black Dog]

You speak for social justice warriors now?

But but but lumping everyone together is bad you have to treat people as individuals.

[kimmy]

It seems to me that the phrase "social justice warrior" is generally used mockingly to refer to the angry little people on Tumblr, and if that's the case then I don't really have a problem with it. I do kind of have a problem when everybody who wants to talk about social justice issues gets tarred with that label, as if there were no difference between an angry teenager blaming her weight problem on sexism and an academic who's presenting actual research on the subject.

-k

[-1=e^ipi]

It seems to me that the phrase "social justice warrior" is generally used mockingly to refer to the angry little people on Tumblr

Yes. But remember that Tumblr people are our young people; they are our future. So think about the implications of the beliefs that our young people have on the future of Canada and the world.

everybody who wants to talk about social justice issues gets tarred with that label

It would help if the person wanting to discuss social justice issues were to define what they mean by social justice, because obviously due to the culture we live in it has a very diverse set of definitions.

Edited October 30, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[Guest]

There's nothing wrong with people who want social justice. It's just the idea that you aren't allowed to upset them that gets me.

[Bonam]

It would help if the person wanting to discuss social justice issues were to define what they mean by social justice, because obviously due to the culture we live in it has a very diverse set of definitions.

It would help if the term "social justice" wasn't an oxymoron to begin with...

[-1=e^ipi]

It would help if the term "social justice" wasn't an oxymoron to begin with...

That's true.

But I will admit that despite that, the term 'social justice' has been used in academia for decades and has a different meaning than what tumblr people use.

[Black Dog]

Yes. But remember that Tumblr people are our young people; they are our future. So think about the implications of the beliefs that our young people have on the future of Canada and the world.

And everyone know that beliefs sincerely held in one's teens and early 20s stay that way forever and ever.

[-1=e^ipi]

And everyone know that beliefs sincerely held in one's teens and early 20s stay that way forever and ever.

Sometimes it causes a world war (example: WW2), sometimes it causes a revolution (Russia 1918). And if people live in their 'safe space' and ban all 'triggering microaggressive' speech that disagrees with them, and continue to propagate identity politics via the media and the education system, then they can keep their beliefs for decades or even till the grave.

Edited October 30, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[Black Dog]

Sometimes it causes a world war (example: WW2), sometimes it causes a revolution (Russia 1918).

What in the world are you blathering about? Were those events started by teens?

And if people live in their 'safe space' and ban all 'triggering microaggressive' speech that disagrees with them, and continue to propagate identity politics via the media and the education system, then they can keep their beliefs for decades or even till the grave.

Ah yes the old "sure there's no precedent for what I'm saying but this time it's different."

[-1=e^ipi]

What in the world are you blathering about? Were those events started by teens?

You never heard of Hitler's youth?

Kids are being indoctrinated with a certain set of ideas. And the neoprogressives doing the indoctrination think it is justified. I saw it first hand because I'm a millennial that went to school in large urban areas, but from what I can tell it is getting worse.