cybercoma Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Bill C-51 makes the spread of terrorist propaganda illegal. The CPC has included ISIL propaganda in their latest attack ad against Trudeau, effectively spreading their message across the country. Does the new CPC attack ad violate their own law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Define effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Holy cow, you're right, people who aren't ISIS supporters will be convinced to convert by watching an ad that mocks a man for not taking the threat of those same terrorists seriously. Just as i'm sure i will convince the Harper haters here to vote conservative for mocking you in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Bill C-51 makes the spread of terrorist propaganda illegal. The CPC has included ISIL propaganda in their latest attack ad against Trudeau, effectively spreading their message across the country. Does the new CPC attack ad violate their own law? It's propaganda to oppose ISIL, Not propaganda to support it. As this is absolutely obvious, we can conclude, that Harper has not violated c-51. Edited June 27, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Does the new CPC attack ad violate their own law? No, its use is in political messaging is no different than media replaying it......the law itself clearly targets those that use such statements to promote and/or advocate terrorism, are breaking the law.......no reasonable person would suggest their political attack adds are promoting Jihad, no more than clips being replayed on the nightly news are....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Holy cow, you're right, people who aren't ISIS supporters will be convinced to convert by watching an ad that mocks a man for not taking the threat of those same terrorists seriously. Just as i'm sure i will convince the Harper haters here to vote conservative for mocking you in the same way. I do hope the NDP continue the meme that the CPC is promoting ISIS.........the last time such a childish approach was taken: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 No, its use is in political messaging is no different than media replaying it......the law itself clearly targets those that use such statements to promote and/or advocate terrorism, are breaking the law.......no reasonable person would suggest their political attack adds are promoting Jihad, no more than clips being replayed on the nightly news are....... The ad may not contravene C51 (I'm not entirely sure yet) but it certainly shows how desperate Harper is when he has to stoop so low. But he has a legacy of just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 It's propaganda to oppose ISIL, Not propaganda to support it. As this is absolutely obvious, we can conclude, that Harper has not violated c-51. Right, and looking at the story from CTV: “Here they are using the music and images of a terrorist organization. So not only does it undermine decency, but it undermines the credibility of the Conservatives on their own bill,” NDP MP Paul Dewar told CTV News. I'm surprised the NDP would even comment on this. First, its an add targeted at the Liberals, second it brings up the topic of terror (and on the same day ISIS inspired terrorists killed dozens in North Africa, Kuwait and France) a topic the NDP are weak on.......Canadians, including those in Quebec, don't take such a glib and childish approach to terror. Third, the suggesting that it undermines the law is devoid of logic and outlandish, and reeks of desperation and/or pettiness.......I would expect better from a party "leading in the polls", unless internal polls are saying something different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Right, and looking at the story from CTV: I'm surprised the NDP would even comment on this. First, its an add targeted at the Liberals, second it brings up the topic of terror (and on the same day ISIS inspired terrorists killed dozens in North Africa, Kuwait and France) a topic the NDP are weak on.......Canadians, including those in Quebec, don't take such a glib and childish approach to terror. Third, the suggesting that it undermines the law is devoid of logic and outlandish, and reeks of desperation and/or pettiness.......I would expect better from a party "leading in the polls", unless internal polls are saying something different Harper looks at the polls and he is totally desperate. So he over reached with this ad. Gonna come back to bite him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 No, its use is in political messaging is no different than media replaying it......the law itself clearly targets those that use such statements to promote and/or advocate terrorism, are breaking the law.......no reasonable person would suggest their political attack adds are promoting Jihad, no more than clips being replayed on the nightly news are....... This is obviously a NDP attempt at creating a "band wagon " effect. They are trying to maintain the anti Harper Hype that has been showing in polls lately. The NDP will stoop as low as anyone else to promote any kind of discontent towards the govering party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Define effectively. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/effectively?s=t You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Harper publicly broadcasts ISIL's message across the country and that doesn't violate C-51? He could fart in your face and you'd call it perfume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Harper publicly broadcasts ISIL's message across the country and that doesn't violate C-51? He could fart in your face and you'd call it perfume. No, because it's to promote anti ISIL support. You can't tell the difference can you? Your funny. Is that why you're picture is face palming? Edited June 27, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 This is obviously a NDP attempt at creating a "band wagon " effect. They are trying to maintain the anti Harper Hype that has been showing in polls lately. The NDP will stoop as low as anyone else to promote any kind of discontent towards the govering party. Its an attempt to do that.........but, like past outlandish claims against the Tories, it will backfire on them. First, to voters undecided between the NDP-Liberals, it makes the NDP look as petty as Harper to suggest the Tories are promoting terror. True tin-foil hat stuff, stuff that could sway some anti-Harper voters back to the Liberals. Second, between those voters undecided between the Liberals-Tories, it could force some of these voters back to the Tories out of fear of the NDP forming Government........9/11 inside job, the Tories are promoting terror proclamations will turn off many Canadians......In an election where Harper is cast as mean and nasty, Trudeau an idiot and Mulcair leading a band of kooks, Harper wins....... Dewar's response should have been something along the lines of: "We in the NDP condemn such negative adds, which drags down the political process and turns off Canadians. This is why the NDP wants to change how Ottawa works and reunite all Canadians around a hopeful future blah blah blah" Instead, the NDP critic for Foreign Affairs is suggesting the Tories are breaking anti terror laws by promoting terror.........as I said, tin-foil hat stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Its an attempt to do that.........but, like past outlandish claims against the Tories, it will backfire on them. First, to voters undecided between the NDP-Liberals, it makes the NDP look as petty as Harper to suggest the Tories are promoting terror. True tin-foil hat stuff, stuff that could sway some anti-Harper voters back to the Liberals. Second, between those voters undecided between the Liberals-Tories, it could force some of these voters back to the Tories out of fear of the NDP forming Government........9/11 inside job, the Tories are promoting terror proclamations will turn off many Canadians......In an election where Harper is cast as mean and nasty, Trudeau an idiot and Mulcair leading a band of kooks, Harper wins....... Dewar's response should have been something along the lines of: "We in the NDP condemn such negative adds, which drags down the political process and turns off Canadians. This is why the NDP wants to change how Ottawa works and reunite all Canadians around a hopeful future blah blah blah" Instead, the NDP critic for Foreign Affairs is suggesting the Tories are breaking anti terror laws by promoting terror.........as I said, tin-foil hat stuff. Well it's working for all the Tin foil hatters. They are all so excited right now they have lost all ability to even think in a critical or logical manner. good old orange crush Edited June 27, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) . Well it's working for all the Tin foil hatters. They are all so excited right now they have lost all ability to even think in a critical or logical manner. Exactly, but it also reopens the discussion on combating radical Islam, something of which many in the NDP feel is the fault of Israel and can be resolved by the World economy no longer needing Middle Eastern oil, as it will be carbon taxed to death and our cars will forever run on recycled hemp and the laughter of children, and by bringing further radical Muslim refugees to Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver........ Edited June 27, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Exactly, but it also reopens the discussion on combating radical Islam, something of which many in the NDP feel is the fault of Israel and can be resolved by the World economy no longer needing Middle Eastern oil, as it will be carbon taxed to death and our cars will forever run on recycled hemp and the laughter of children, and by bringing further radical Muslim refuges to Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver........ We could always pull a Brazil and just grow our oil. Ethanol for the masses. No laughter of children needed. Reducing our need for middle eastern oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 No, because it's to promote anti ISIL support. You can't tell the difference can you? Your funny. Is that why you're picture is face palming? It doesn't have to "promote." Read the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Exactly, but it also reopens the discussion on combating radical Islam, something of which many in the NDP feel is the fault of Israel and can be resolved by the World economy no longer needing Middle Eastern oil, as it will be carbon taxed to death and our cars will forever run on recycled hemp and the laughter of children, and by bringing further radical Muslim refugees to Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver........ All it demonstrates is that Harper is getting desperate. Ill bet the polls will drop even more after this silly ad permeates. ice to see hi shooting his own foot off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 The NDP will stoop as low as anyone else to promote any kind of discontent towards the govering party. Now there's an solid admission from a poster! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 I'm surprised the NDP would even comment on this. First, its an add targeted at the Liberals, second it brings up the topic of terror (and on the same day ISIS inspired terrorists killed dozens in North Africa, Kuwait and France) a topic the NDP are weak on Terror does not exist in Canada. Unless it's directed to natives or minorities. Made up idea to create false hero's WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Harper publicly broadcasts ISIL's message across the country and that doesn't violate C-51? He could fart in your face and you'd call it perfume. LOL! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 Its an attempt to do that.........but, like past outlandish claims against the Tories, it will backfire on them. First, to voters undecided between the NDP-Liberals, it makes the NDP look as petty as Harper to suggest the Tories are promoting terror. True tin-foil hat stuff, stuff that could sway some anti-Harper voters back to the Liberals. Second, between those voters undecided between the Liberals-Tories, it could force some of these voters back to the Tories out of fear of the NDP forming Government........9/11 inside job, the Tories are promoting terror proclamations will turn off many Canadians......In an election where Harper is cast as mean and nasty, Trudeau an idiot and Mulcair leading a band of kooks, Harper wins....... Dewar's response should have been something along the lines of: "We in the NDP condemn such negative adds, which drags down the political process and turns off Canadians. This is why the NDP wants to change how Ottawa works and reunite all Canadians around a hopeful future blah blah blah" Instead, the NDP critic for Foreign Affairs is suggesting the Tories are breaking anti terror laws by promoting terror.........as I said, tin-foil hat stuff. Are you finished "tinfoilhatsplaining"? WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 We could always pull a Brazil and just grow our oil. Ethanol for the masses. No laughter of children needed. Reducing our need for middle eastern oil. We already import most of our food....... So you want to take up the little land we have to grow, to produce fuels, so that we have to polute even more to import even more food...... gawd!!!! Where do these people come from?!?!? Canada is not Brazil. 99% of our land is not agricultural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted June 27, 2015 Report Share Posted June 27, 2015 No it doesn't - and it's ludicrous and childish to suggest otherwise. It's a political ad to oppose a party that would break from the military alliance to fight ISIS and to vote for a government that will stay the course. It delineates a clear difference in policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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