Truth and Reconciliation... Legitimacy

[Smallc]

The concept will only continue to grow, along with their population and as more and more Canadians are also marginalized by the state's perennial desire to widen income gaps.

'The state' has done a terrible job then.

[eyeball]

It hasn't widened fast enough for your liking?

[jacee]

I am posting this for descriptive purposes. It clarifies what the Truth and Reconciliation Report is referring to as an act of genocide:

did-canada-commit-a-cultural-genocide/?

Physical genocide is the mass killing of the members of a targeted group, and biological genocide is the destruction of the groups reproductive capacity," the report's introduction explains.

"Cultural genocide is the destruction of those structures and practices that allow the group to continue as a group. States that engage in cultural genocide set out to destroy the political and social institutions of the targeted group. Land is seized, and populations are forcibly transferred and their movement is restricted. Languages are banned. Spiritual leaders are persecuted, spiritual practices are forbidden, and objects of spiritual value are confiscated and destroyed. And, most significantly to the issue at hand, families are disrupted to prevent the transmission of cultural values and identity from one generation to the next."

Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee

[Accountability Now]

The concept will only continue to grow, along with their population and as more and more Canadians are also marginalized by the state's perennial desire to widen income gaps.

As will the rest of Canada's population which is 30 times theirs. And again...more immigrants continue to arrive in Canada not looking to pay for some British treaty.

The question isn't a matter of the gap its a matter of how happy people are. I couldn't care less if Bill Gates has a billion or trillion dollars as long as I have sufficient income, health and the abort to live a good life. Currently the vast majority of Canadians have this.

What's more likely is that people start to see the impact of native issues and start to question it. Especially if they really get in the way of some major development

Edited June 7, 2015 by Accountability Now

[eyeball]

You better hope the government does a lot more to ensure the economy is more just than it has been because if it isn't you're screwed.

[Accountability Now]

You better hope the government does a lot more to ensure the economy is more just than it has been because if it isn't you're screwed.

Nope. Like I said earlier....I just need the SCC to give Metis equal rights as status Indians and I'll be gold.

[eyeball]

There you go, you'll have the best of both worlds.

[jacee]

What's more likely is that people start to see the impact of native issues and start to question it. Especially if they really get in the way of some major development

A lot of Canadians aren't happy about some of those "major developments" either and they join Aboriginal people in protest in their communities.

You don't see groups of Canadians out there supporting fracking, pipelines, mines ...

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[Accountability Now]

A lot of Canadians aren't happy about some of those "major developments" either and they join Aboriginal people in protest in their communities.

You don't see groups of Canadians out there supporting fracking, pipelines, mines ...

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A lot? I know you see a crowd at the rent a mob meetings and think its a lot. My view of a lot is the group of people that don't even know or care what fracking is because they have a job and other concerns outside of what the natives think. What really is 'a lot' is the number of people who have jobs and don't really know or care about fracking. The more they hear about the native unrest, the more they start to question the native funding. Idle No More was an indication of this. The people running Idle No More thought they could generate a lot of attention with their antics however they didn't anticipate the backlash they received. Now they are back to Idling Some More. The best thing the natives could do is keep their negotiations off the radar and let the sleeping giant (aka the majority of the Canadian public) sleep.

[jacee]

I can't make enough sense of that to respond.

Ridiculous speculation.

Backlash against Idle No More?

What?

People protesting round dances?

I must have missed that.

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Edited June 8, 2015 by jacee

[Accountability Now]

I can't make enough sense of that to respond.

Story of your time on here jacee. You can't follow the conversation.

[On Guard for Thee]

I can't make enough sense of that to respond.

Youre not alone. WTF is all that supposed to mean I wonder...

[Accountability Now]

Youre not alone. WTF is all that supposed to mean I wonder...

You're having troubles too. Go figure. Comprehension has never been your strong suit either.

[jacee]

Youre not alone. WTF is all that supposed to mean I wonder...

No idea.

I think he's having an identity crisis.

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Edited June 8, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

Story of your time on here jacee. You can't follow the conversation.

Can you even follow what you said there?

[On Guard for Thee]

No idea.

I think he's having an identity crisis.

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It takes a pretty good stretch to conflate fracking and FN people.

[Accountability Now]

Can you even follow what you said there?

Quite easily. Its ok if you can't.....

[Smallc]

I can't make enough sense of that to respond.

Ridiculous speculation.

Backlash against Idle No More?

What?

People protesting round dances?

I must have missed that.

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Sorry, we were too busy with our lives. Get it now?

[WestCoastRunner]

Story of your time on here jacee. You can't follow the conversation.

I find it interesting how Jacee is attacked for having the most sane conversations regarding this issue. Jacee has done far more research on this topic than anyone else, that I can see. So, by attacking her, they are actually addressing the faulty thinking in their own research. Keep up the good work Jacee.

Edited June 8, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[Accountability Now]

I can't make enough sense of that to respond.

Ridiculous speculation.

Backlash against Idle No More?

What?

People protesting round dances?

I must have missed that.

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I guess you didn't see the people running through the road blocks

Or the social media frenzy? Or the general pissed off attitude people had with natives over their antics? Of course you didn't jacee....you have your head in the sand.

What ever happened to Idle No More. Why are they so Idle again. I guess that was just a phase?

Edited June 8, 2015 by Accountability Now

[Accountability Now]

I find it interesting how Jacee is attacked for having the most sane conversations regarding this issue. Jacee has done far more research on this topic than anyone else, that I can see. So, by attacking her, they are actually addressing the faulty thinking in their own research. Keep up the good work Jacee.

What research? She copies and pastes things from whatever source spews the thing she wants to be true without actually researching if it is true. In this thread alone she has posted a few articles that actually go against her point. Of course the most memorable is how she has gone on rants about 2 Trillion in trust and 10 billion in legal costs that she quotes from BS sources and I have shown them to be pure fabrications.

[WestCoastRunner]

What research? She copies and pastes things from whatever source spews the thing she wants to be true without actually researching if it is true. In this thread alone she has posted a few articles that actually go against her point. Of course the most memorable is how she has gone on rants about 2 Trillion in trust and 10 billion in legal costs that she quotes from BS sources and I have shown them to be pure fabrications.

I have yet to see any research and analysis by you.

[jacee]

I find it interesting how Jacee is attacked for having the most sane conversations regarding this issue. Jacee has done far more research on this topic than anyone else, that I can see. So, by attacking her, they are actually addressing the faulty thinking in their own research. Keep up the good work Jacee.

Thanks wcr.

Yes I've been following this issue for a few years.

I realize that others aren't as immersed as I've been.

People need time to absorb.

But some people just have a closed mind, another agenda.

Conrad Black, for example.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//full-comment/conrad-black-canadas-treatment-of-aboriginals-was-shameful-but-it-was-not-genocide

I wrote to him that I was surprised at his immature understanding of genocide.

He told me "Please **** off."

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Edited June 8, 2015 by Michael Hardner

[WestCoastRunner]

Thanks wcr.

Yes I've been following this issue for a few years.

I realize that others aren't as immersed as I've been.

People need time to absorb.

Some people just have a closed mind.

Conrad Black, for example.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//full-comment/conrad-black-canadas-treatment-of-aboriginals-was-shameful-but-it-was-not-genocide

I wrote to him that I was surprised at his immature understanding of genocide.

He told me "Please **** off."

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Wow. Seriously? Well, at least you got a response! I am absorbing a tremendous amount of information from you. Please keep up the posts! I, for one, am reading them. Edited June 8, 2015 by Charles Anthony
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[Accountability Now]

I have yet to see any research and analysis by you.

LMFAO! Maybe you should actually browse through this thread so you'll have the first clue as to what you're talking about. Here's one easy point where jacee was ranting that the Residential schools were mandatory when the reality is that schooling was mandatory and only 30% of native kids actually went to residential schools.

Accountability Now, on 02 Jun 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

I did research it. Here:

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Accountability Now, on 02 Jun 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

An amendment to the Indian Act made attendance of a day, industrial or residential school compulsory for First Nations children and, in some parts of the country, residential schools were the only option.[1] The number of residential schools reached 80 in 1931 but decreased in the years that followed. The last federally operated residential school was closed in 1996[2]}. In total, about 150,000 First Nations children passed through the residential school system,[3] and at least 4,000 of them died while attending the schools.[4] (Approximately 30% of native children were placed in residential schools nationally.)[5]

There has long been significant historiographical and popular controversy about the conditions experienced by students in the residential schools. While day schools for First Nations, Metis and Inuit children always far outnumbered residential schools, a new consensus emerged in the early 21st century that the latter schools did significant harm to Aboriginal children who attended them by removing them from their families, depriving them of theirancestral languages, sterilization, and exposing many of them to physical and sexual abuse by staff and other students, and enfranchising them forcibly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

The numbers alone should make you question the 'mandatory' clause. The average population of First Nations from 1900 to 1960 alone was around 150,000. Assume that half of those are children that means 75,000 at any given time. Also assume that this number replenishes itself every 15 years meaning that from 1900-1960 there would have been 4 x 75,000 which is 300,000 kids. From 1960 to 1980 the average population was around 350,000 so add another 150,000 or so in that period alone. By crude estimate alone there would have been about 450,000 kids during that time of which 150,000 went to residential schools which is roughly 30% (as stated above).

If this system was 'mandatory' then why did 300,000 other native kids not go? Like I said, it was mandatory that they went to school and if the residential system was the only option then that's where they went.