USA supporting Israeli terrorism

[bush_cheney2004]

There's no foes. There's simply folks pointing out the false narrative coming from folks like you, jbg and others. Folks pointing out the ongoing terrorist actions, the war crimes committed by Israel against the people of Palestine. Supported by the equally culpable USA.

Too bad the Palestinians don't have it so good....no Sugar Daddy to help them out. One would think that all the bleeding heart apologists for Palestine and its brand of terrorism would pony up some money and support....at least as much as the U.S. already gives each year. I think its because they hate Israel a lot more than they want to help Palestine.

[Je suis Omar]

The world's stingiest country, the USA, gives Israel billions each year in military "aid" to terrorize the Palestinian people.

That is certainly in keeping with the usa's role as the number one terrorist group in the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

The world's stingiest country, the USA, gives Israel billions each year in military "aid" to terrorize the Palestinian people.

That is certainly in keeping with the usa's role as the number one terrorist group in the world.

Right...right...we get all that, but why don't the Palestinians and their brand of terrorism enjoy wider support ?

The U.S. sure does....being Canada's # 1 trading partner.

How do you reconcile this discrepancy ?

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[Je suis Omar]

That's moot.

What is important is that we both are in complete agreement that the stingiest country in the world, the USA, the leading terrorist nation/group in the world, the USA, is supporting the war crimes and terrorism of the state of Israel with massive military "aid".

[bush_cheney2004]

Great...we can also agree that the "stingiest country in the world" enjoys global economic integration and trade without regard to Palestine and its low budget brand of terrorism. USA wins...again !

[Je suis Omar]

There's no need for the quotes; that's just more dishonesty. We both know that the USA IS the stingiest country in the world. Achieving "global economic integration and trade" is another euphemism for raping, pillaging and forcing poor countries of the world to trade with the USA thru the use of military might and by deceiving them with tied aid, all of which only serves to again highlight just how stingy the USA is, what a terrorist, amoral nation it is.

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[bush_cheney2004]

There's no need for the quotes; that's just more dishonesty. We both know that the USA IS the stingiest country in the world. Achieving "global economic integration and trade" is another euphemism for raping, pillaging and forcing poor countries of the world to trade with the USA thru the use of military might and by deceiving them with tied aid, all of which only serves to again highlight just how stingy the USA is, what a terrorist, amoral nation it is.

Again, you have failed to reconcile such rhetoric with international behaviour(s). Amoral is good....moral is subjective.

When will Canada divest itself from trade with the stingy and evil United States of America ?

Talk is cheap....Canada likes U.S. policy because it provides cover for mining and oil services contracts across the sea.

[jbg]

What IS your stance on the Jewish settlements in the occupied territories?

The term "occupied territories" is offensive. The 1967 borders was an armistice line and was never accepted by the Arab countries. Thus it was never a border.

In general though, I believe that the Jewish suburbs of Jerusalem are a permanent part of Israel. Jewish settlers should probably be allowed to remain in certain of the remaining settlement blocks, with the right of free passage to and from Israel over a newly independent Arab entity, much the way Point Roberts and Angle Country residents, and Alaskans have free passage through Canada. Some of the smaller and non-viable settlements should be returned.

Sorry my position is so harsh but the Arabs have passed by innumerable chances to negotiate while holding oiut for an Israeli capitulation.

[Je suis Omar]

B_C: When will Canada divest itself from trade with the stingy and evil United States of America ?

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A much more pertinent question is when will the stingy and evil USA stop being stingy and evil? Don't you consider 239 plus years and counting long enough? Isn't that length of time also more than long enough to be the stingiest, most evil lying nation?

[bush_cheney2004]

...A much more pertinent question is when will the stingy and evil USA stop being stingy and evil? Don't you consider 239 plus years and counting long enough? Isn't that length of time also more than long enough to be the stingiest, most evil lying nation?

No...it is only the beginning. Your own British Empire raped and pillaged for far longer. God Save the Queen !!

More dodging of the question...when will your nation's walk match your "moral" talk ?

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[Je suis Omar]

The term "occupied territories" is offensive. The 1967 borders was an armistice line and was never accepted by the Arab countries. Thus it was never a border.

In general though, I believe that the Jewish suburbs of Jerusalem are a permanent part of Israel. Jewish settlers should probably be allowed to remain in certain of the remaining settlement blocks, with the right of free passage to and from Israel over a newly independent Arab entity, much the way Point Roberts and Angle Country residents, and Alaskans have free passage through Canada. Some of the smaller and non-viable settlements should be returned.

Sorry my position is so harsh but the Arabs have passed by innumerable chances to negotiate while holding oiut for an Israeli capitulation.

Living a life defined by propaganda and memes must be terribly unfulfilling.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/why-is-israel-so-afraid-of-the-arab-peace-initiative/

[Je suis Omar]

After almost 400 years, it's "Only the beginning"!

Amorality run rampant.

[bush_cheney2004]

After almost 400 years, it's "Only the beginning"!

Amorality run rampant.

Yep....it's great...and there is nothing you can do about it. More trade with the U.S.A and Israel.

God bless America, land that I love

Stand behind her and guide her

Through the night with a light from above

From the mountains, to the prairies

To the oceans white with foam

God bless America

My home sweet home

[Scott Mayers]

What does Israel have for an economy? I ask this since it is one of the world's most powerful country's and yet they appear to have no mineral resources, no manufacturing, nor a sufficiently reasonable place for tourism (due to the ever-constant state of fear and war.)

I am reasonably guessing that the State of Israel is merely a platform for what some subset of Jews believes is their supremacy to a God. But there are many Jews who do NOT favor this religious and pious mentality. Also, it is clear that the Christian world supports it in an odd temporary 'friendship' to assure their prophesy of the end comes true. As such, this 'State' appears merely as a type of conspiratorial collaboration of mixed interests. Is this ALL that Israel's economy is based on or do they have something else to support them realistically?

[bush_cheney2004]

Israel has a very diversified market economy. It has free trade agreements with several nations, including Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

[On Guard for Thee]

What does Israel have for an economy? I ask this since it is one of the world's most powerful country's and yet they appear to have no mineral resources, no manufacturing, nor a sufficiently reasonable place for tourism (due to the ever-constant state of fear and war.)

I am reasonably guessing that the State of Israel is merely a platform for what some subset of Jews believes is their supremacy to a God. But there are many Jews who do NOT favor this religious and pious mentality. Also, it is clear that the Christian world supports it in an odd temporary 'friendship' to assure their prophesy of the end comes true. As such, this 'State' appears merely as a type of conspiratorial collaboration of mixed interests. Is this ALL that Israel's economy is based on or do they have something else to support them realistically?

They have got Uncle Sam. Otherwise...oranges.

[Scott Mayers]

Israel has a very diversified market economy. It has free trade agreements with several nations, including Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

It's not the 'diversity' I am referring to. And this is seriously begging even by that wiki entry. "Technological advancement" isn't something unique to a given people as it can be earned anywhere given the luxury to invest in. I was asking of what their physical resources are, what "native" (home industry, not simply ownership internationally) manufacturing, tertiary services (communications/transport), etc.

I ask in my own rhetorical way here because I see the State of Israel as merely functioning as a base of its own racist and discriminatory policies and IS the impetus of continued world-related problems. [i am hoping that the Israeli children grow up to rebel against this in time but at present, the old stereotype guards are running things.] And they ARE the (significant) cause of all Middle-Eastern conflict.

I wouldn't completely blame the U.S., however, for their support or non-supports (for those that do not) of Israel as these are about politics external to what people feel they can control. While it might be undesirable to favor or penalize other nations, it is necessary to deal with particular issues at hand separately and distinctly since they are not privilege to their people's rights or governments in practice.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's not the 'diversity' I am referring to. And this is seriously begging even by that wiki entry. "Technological advancement" isn't something unique to a given people as it can be earned anywhere given the luxury to invest in. I was asking of what their physical resources are, what "native" (home industry, not simply ownership internationally) manufacturing, tertiary services (communications/transport), etc.

Israel has several home grown industries that compete for world market share, including software development, defense R&D, manufacturing, medical devices, biotechnology, processed foods, desalination equipment, and related services. Foreign ownership is no greater than that for many Canadian firms. Israel has the strongest non-resource based economy in the Mideast.

The whole "BDS" movement depends on boycotting Israeli made products and services.

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[Shady]

Well that time is long gone.

So what now?

Just keep bombing them out of existence?

Committing genocide?

Is that the full extent of Israel's intelligence in coming up with a solution?

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Your hyperbole is amusing. No genicide is being committed. Either is any bombing out of existence. If Israel wanted to bomb them out of existence, it would take about a day, and they'd be gone long ago. You're a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

[jacee]

Your hyperbole is amusing. No genicide is being committed. Either is any bombing out of existence. If Israel wanted to bomb them out of existence, it would take about a day, and they'd be gone long ago. You're a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

So what is Israel's solution?

I'm not seeing any commitment to a peace that makes it possible for Palestine to function autonomously.

I don't believe there is one.

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[bush_cheney2004]

Israel has made a commitment to self preservation and defense. Palestine seems to function autonomously just fine when it comes to rocket attacks, suicide bombings, terror tunnels, kidnappings, etc.

[Scott Mayers]

Israel has several home grown industries that compete for world market share, including software development, defense R&D, manufacturing, medical devices, biotechnology, processed foods, desalination equipment, and related services. Foreign ownership is no greater than that for many Canadian firms. Israel has the strongest non-resource based economy in the Mideast.

The whole "BDS" movement depends on boycotting Israeli made products and services.

I see you're being protective of Israel. Israel may have evolved with some of these industries since their inception. However, unlike any other country, it is purposefully non-diverse with respect to race or ethnicity of a Jewish identity and functions to foster this nationality using highly discriminatory practices against others.

Your claim that foreign ownership is on par with Canada is a joke. Our country's economy is completely mineral/agricultural-resource based; Israel has no (or trivial) such industry. While no doubt in this day manufacturing is at least being privileged to Israel (unlike Canada as we are being repressed from doing this) their major income has always come from a world collective of the Diaspora just as the Roman Catholic Church. Here the significant difference is that while the Christian Churches allow open entry to anyone, while the State of Israel acts with a preference for genetic (Semitic) connections which makes it race-biased.

I haven't heard much about that BDS movement but according to something I saw on the news our Conservative government wants to criminalize anyone even siding with a boycott against Israel; (and we are a 'free' country?) Those supporting such a movement are considered "terrorists" by our government. How is it that one special racial/ethnic group so over-protected?

[bush_cheney2004]

I see you're being protective of Israel. Israel may have evolved with some of these industries since their inception. However, unlike any other country, it is purposefully non-diverse with respect to race or ethnicity of a Jewish identity and functions to foster this nationality using highly discriminatory practices against others.

This is patently false....Israel does have a diverse population of ethnic groups and religions. Canada's Constitution Act provides preferential treatment for Catholic and Protestant education in several provinces, and of course there is Quebec with language discrimination. The point of all this is to demonstrate that Israel should be compared to other nations with similar policies and objectives. See the current thread on residential schools in Canada.

Your claim that foreign ownership is on par with Canada is a joke. Our country's economy is completely mineral/agricultural-resource based; Israel has no (or trivial) such industry. While no doubt in this day manufacturing is at least being privileged to Israel (unlike Canada as we are being repressed from doing this) their major income has always come from a world collective of the Diaspora just as the Roman Catholic Church. Here the significant difference is that while the Christian Churches allow open entry to anyone, while the State of Israel acts with a preference for genetic (Semitic) connections which makes it race-biased.

This is also patently false and ignores the percentage of Canadian GDP that has historically depended on foreign capital investment. Canada still solicits such capital to this day, as does Israel. About 70% of Canadian oil production is foreign owned...as is defense contracting, automotive manufacturing, etc. Judaism is not a race, and many "Semites" live in Israel with different religions. Israel has a strong market based economy with a GDP of about $300 billion USD.

I haven't heard much about that BDS movement but according to something I saw on the news our Conservative government wants to criminalize anyone even siding with a boycott against Israel; (and we are a 'free' country?) Those supporting such a movement are considered "terrorists" by our government. How is it that one special racial/ethnic group so over-protected?

The point is that Israel has a strong diversified economy (economic term unrelated to ethnic or religious groups). The BDS movement has identified dozens of products and services to be boycotted, so they must exist, right ?

Your government will act in self interest, just like any other government. Nothing special about Canada in this regard.

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[Scott Mayers]

You are missing my point(s).

Israel's population is 8.3 million. Canada's is 35 million. The U.S. is 325 million.

Diversity in Israel? 76% are Jews and 21% Arab [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel] which doesn't leave much for the 'others': 3%.

Just to explain myself a bit here: I believe that a 'fair' government is one that perceives the individual as the ultimate minority as well as the whole. It is also necessary to grant special privileges in law to certain 'groups'. But such groups should be defined in logical terms and similarly fit appropriately with its subject matter.

Unfortunately, culture, religion, ethnicity, and race gets adapted as the lead classification heading while logical classes like "poverty", get classed as belonging to one of these other headings.

For instance, our government(s) perceive the class, "poverty" as a symptom of discrimination against some "culture/ethnicity" since some given culture/ethnicity often has a plurality (sub-majority within the class of "poverty") as owning an unusually high burden of poverty. However, when we make laws that act to end poverty, the focus gets placed on the nature of the culture, ethnicity, or race. The laws tend to 'balance' out the economies of populations of segregate groups as if this is more significant than attending to the real problem: poverty of ALL people.

And the laws that get created in culturally favored governments is to grant these groups privileges that, though can sincerely aid in balancing the economies between such accepted groups [short-term], they actually foster this through enhancing pride and segregation of people in a way that makes them more discriminatory later on [long-term].

I feel this way about ALL cultural, ethnic, and religious groups since they heighten the significance of nationalism and 'pure'-breed love and by such favoritism neglects and disfavors mixed-breed people (those of us who have NO particular ancestral roots). I apologize for using breed here but see this division of high significance in most world conflicts.

This is one of the major reasons I disagree with Israel. It represents one of the extremes of cultural cohesiveness that favors their cult (Jews) over all other people. And an extreme love for one's own requires differentiating themselves from those they do NOT like and some with extreme hate. I don't agree to the begged claim that Judaism is NOT a race. At least, while it may NOT be intended, they don't normally evangelize outside their community as the Christians do and so they naturally tend to still have favored those most genetically familiar. As such, while it may merely be an accident of association, many Jews throughout time act as both a culture and a race.

This is no different than our classification of "First Nations" people here in Canada. They are NOT one race. Yet they are still mostly of the gene pools that derive from those who crossed over the land bridge and first discovered the New World.

Israel [not Jews] to me is as severe as Hitler's nationalist regime. In fact, while Hitler may have acted in hate, his motives and philosophy were more likely derived from the very distinctness and culturally closed community of the Diaspora Jews. Seeing the advantages, he borrowed many of these from such a culture because the strength that the Jews (at least appeared) to have. Also, while many attempt to downplay the nature of dominance that the Jews have as a 'group' in this world, they do have such higher "apparent" plurality of those who DO succeed in most economic areas over other groups. They may NOT be a 'race' but this excuse is just a smoke-screen that attempts to hide the power and nature of cultural family cohesion and is a deliberate attempt to divert our attention away from abuses of those like present Israel. All (even most, likely) Jews are NOT Israeli nor do I believe that even within Israel all Israelis believe in their government actions. But for those who are sincere Israelis of the coinciding beliefs against the Muslim Palestinians the are abusing, these particular people DO believe in a more strict genetic relation between members.

Note, I hate picking on Israel or Aboriginals, etc. But I feel that there is a larger plurality of humans out here that don't 'fit' in with any cult, ethnicity, pure race, etc, and WE are being abused by the nature of cultural established groups imposing an acceptance of segregation and an acceptance of ignoring those outside. And I also believe the people as individuals within these plural groups are as equal and significant. I'm against the culture (imposed) just as this was a major concern with our Natives in Truth and Reconciliation against the schools.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Note, I hate picking on Israel or Aboriginals, etc. But I feel that there is a larger plurality of humans out here that don't 'fit' in with any cult, ethnicity, pure race, etc, and WE are being abused by the nature of cultural established groups imposing an acceptance of segregation and an acceptance of ignoring those outside. And I also believe the people as individuals within these plural groups are as equal and significant. I'm against the culture (imposed) just as this was a major concern with our Natives in Truth and Reconciliation against the schools.

I believe that you are holding Israel to a standard that even Canada, the U.S., and many other nations do not meet and have never met. Israel is a liberal democracy with a diverse population and political groups. Israel will act in nation state self interest regardless of international recrimination or judgement, just as Canada or the U.S. has done.

Israel faces existential threats to its existence from regional actors....Canada does not, but Canada's CF-18's bomb the locals in Iraq and Syria from far across the sea.

I would also point out that Canada has embraced language and cultural discrimination in the case of Quebec as a matter of provincial and federal law.

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