BC First Nations lose social funding?

[eyeball]

Sounds like a fun ride. Look me up when you get back to reality land.

You mean the land of law and order? How's that been working out btw?

[Accountability Now]

You mean the land of law and order? How's that been working out btw?

Just fine. I prefer living in civilized society.

[eyeball]

There's nothing uncivilized about living by your own rules. It looks pretty damned idyllic actually. A whole lot less paperwork.

[Accountability Now]

There's nothing uncivilized about living by your own rules. It looks pretty damned idyllic actually. A whole lot less paperwork.

Keep dreamin pal. I'm sure you'll beat the Man some day

[eyeball]

He's doing himself in just fine.

[Je suis Omar]

There is no complexity. Three nations started this country. The French backed out in 1763 and no longer had rights to Canada. The Aboriginals signed treaties and ceded their rights to the English. Our constitution is based on the Royal Proclamation and British Common Law which gives Natives rights but is certainly not based on Native laws. In the end Canada was formed as one nation with all (including the natives) being subjects of to the Queen of England.

It really is fatuous nonsense this pretense about laws and constitutions, royal proclamations and British common law. The only thing common about these invading hordes is their criminality. These are the same people who sit back and whine hypocritically about Russia or China or whoever else they're trying to finger to deflect from their own crimes.

[Accountability Now]

He's doing himself in just fine.

That's the funny part though....there is no 'The Man'. It's just a term made up by victims so they can blame so one else for their own problems.

[Je suis Omar]

That's the funny part though....there is no 'The Man'. It's just a term made up by victims so they can blame so one else for their own problems.

If you have victims, you have perpetrators. Be honest and tell us who the perpetrators are of this century long genocide. It's a real stretch, I know to suggest that they are in any way, the man.

So while the Germans and the Japanese and the Italians and the Russians and the ... are all made out to be bad guys and bad people for supporting evil, we are angels, kind, benevolent, caring people.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[eyeball]

It's an illusion also dreamed up by those who expect order is a given. Is that a problem do you think?

[bush_cheney2004]

...If so, he's taking a page from Sir John A ' s playbook: starving them into submission, forcing them to sign agreements ... all genocidal practices of course.

Well, it is the Canadian Way:

Policy of 'aggressive assimilation'

In the 19th century, the Canadian government developed a policy of "aggressive assimilation" calling for aboriginal children to be taught at church-run, government-funded residential schools.

The government felt children were easier to mould than adults, and the concept of a boarding school was the best way to prepare them for life in mainstream society.

Canada's first prime minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, was a strong proponent of the system.

"When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with his parents who are savages; he is surrounded by savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training and mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write," he told the House of Commons in 1883.

The last residential schools, St. Michael's Indian Residential School and Gordon Indian Residential School, both located in Saskatchewan, closed in 1996.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/residential-schools-findings-point-to-cultural-genocide-commission-chair-says-1.3093580

Edited May 31, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[Accountability Now]

If you have victims, you have perpetrators. Be honest and tell us who the perpetrators are of this century long genocide.

No...as usual, you're not following. This isn't a versus type situation. As an individual you decide if you're a victim personality or responsible personality. Responsible people accept consequences for their actions and don't blame others for choices they make. Victims will blame everything on everyone else even choices they thremselves make. Even when bad stuff happens the responsible person realizes they have to learn from it and move on....not dwell on the incident and let it drag you down.

The Jews were victims of genocide and have moved on to better things due to their responsible personalities. Let's just say other groups who claim have had a genocide against them have not moved on the same way.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Accountability Now

[Accountability Now]

It's an illusion also dreamed up by those who expect order is a given. Is that a problem do you think?

It's not an illusion. It's something people work for everyday. Some days it's harder than others but it's still there. Running away and putting your head in the sand accomplishes nothing

[jacee]

You don't understand your own link. Prior to 1960 they had to become a Canadian citizen to vote. Now they don't. They can remain a registered Indian and still vote....meaning they don't have to become a Canadian citizen. With that said, giving someone the right to vote does not mean they have all the same rights. By law they are still to adhere to the Indian Act.

Not true. You have to be a Canadian citizen to vote in Canada.

Prior to 1960, Indigenous people had to give up 'Indian' status and rights to become Canadian citizens.

Now they don't.

.

Edited May 31, 2015 by jacee

[Argus]

We are a nation of rule of law. Once the British claimed the continent as north America and the land as part of britain, they had to respect indian land rights.

The Indians didn't have any land rights. They never formalized a process by which they would state that they OWNED any particular piece of land.

[Argus]

I wonder how your nationality grouping would react to a century of genocidal Canadian government policies supported by citizens like you.

Funny how despite these 'genocidal' policies their numbers continue to grow.

[Argus]

They are not 'a' nation. There are many nations of Indigenous peoples.

Yeah, a lot of them are 'nations' of a few hundred people. LOL

[Je suis Omar]

No...as usual, you're not following. This isn't a versus type situation. As an individual you decide if you're a victim personality or responsible personality. Responsible people accept consequences for their actions and don't blame others for choices they make. Victims will blame everything on everyone else even choices they thremselves make. Even when bad stuff happens the responsible person realizes they have to learn from it and move on....not dwell on the incident and let it drag you down.

The Jews were victims of genocide and have moved on to better things due to their responsible personalities. Let's just say other groups who claim have had a genocide against them have not moved on the same way.

Can you point me to the Canadian First Nations Holocaust Museum?

Can you fill us in on how many people, the "responsible people [who] accept consequences for their actions" have ever, are now serving time for Canada's genocidal policies?

[Accountability Now]

Not true. You have to be a Canadian citizen to vote in Canada.

Prior to 1960, Indigenous people had to give up 'Indian' status and rights to become Canadian citizens.

Now they don't.

.

Or aboriginal. Again this isn't about whether you or I or the Canadian government views them as citizens. This is about First Nations not viewing themselves as citizens.

With that said, even the right to vote doesn't make your claim that they receive the same benefits as all Canadians true. Any Indian living under the Indian Act does not have the same rights. The Assembly of First Nations has called it a form of apartheid. Yet they continue to cling to it as it's what they view as the one piece that acknowledges their constitutional rights. So they take the good with the bad knowing it's not equal.

http://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/home/government-policy/the-indian-act.html

"The Indian Act is a very controversial piece of legislation. The Assembly of First Nations describes it as a form of apartheid.9 Amnesty International, the United Nations, and the Canadian Human Rights Commission have continually criticized it as a human rights abuse. These groups claim that the Canadian government does not have the right to unilaterally extinguish Aboriginal rightssomething the government could legally do to status Indians up until 1985 through the process of enfranchisement, and can still control through status.

Yet despite controversy, the Indian Act is historically and legally significant for Aboriginal peoples. It acknowledges and affirms the unique historical and constitutional relationship Aboriginal peoples have with Canada. For this reason, despite its problematic nature, efforts to outright abolish the Indian Act have been met with widespread resistance. (See, for example, the White Paper, 1969). As Harold Cardinal explained in 1969,

We do not want the Indian Act retained because it is a good piece of legislation. It isnt. It is discriminatory from start to finish. But it is a lever in our hands and an embarrassment to the government, as it should be. No just society and no society with even pretensions to being just can long tolerate such a piece of legislation, but we would rather continue to live in bondage under the inequitable Indian Act than surrender our sacred rights. Any time the government wants to honour its obligations to us we are more than happy to help devise new Indian legislation."

[Accountability Now]

Can you point me to the Canadian First Nations Holocaust Museum?

Can you fill us in on how many people, the "responsible people [who] accept consequences for their actions" have ever, are now serving time for Canada's genocidal policies?

There was no First Nations Holocaust. Remember, it was "cultural genocide" they are claiming. You can't even keep track of your own claims now!

With that said, the Canadian government has offered an official apology for its part in the residential schools. It has also compensated many in the amount of billions of dollars with most likely more to come. As a part of the settlement it also mandated the Truth and Reconcilliation committee. What more would you like Omar?

[Je suis Omar]

Funny how despite these 'genocidal' policies their numbers continue to grow.

You continue to pump out your disproved, false narrative and ignore reality.

That's Tea Party at its finest.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Je suis Omar]

There was no First Nations Holocaust. Remember, it was "cultural genocide" they are claiming. You can't even keep track of your own claims now!

With that said, the Canadian government has offered an official apology for its part in the residential schools. It has also compensated many in the amount of billions of dollars with most likely more to come. As a part of the settlement it also mandated the Truth and Reconcilliation committee. What more would you like Omar?

You completely gloss over how people who are responsible for Canada's policy of genocide are not now, nor have they ever been, charged, much less convicted of what is a crime in both international law and Canadian law.

So these people can move on, just like your example, the Jewish people, I propose that aboriginals be given Alberta and you and yours be placed in squalid little camps like the Palestinians are.

[On Guard for Thee]

Funny how despite these 'genocidal' policies their numbers continue to grow.

You dont have to wipe out the entire group in order for the term genocide to apply.

[Je suis Omar]

There was no First Nations Holocaust. Remember, it was "cultural genocide" they are claiming. You can't even keep track of your own claims now!

With that said, the Canadian government has offered an official apology for its part in the residential schools. It has also compensated many in the amount of billions of dollars with most likely more to come. As a part of the settlement it also mandated the Truth and Reconcilliation committee. What more would you like Omar?

Do you think an official apology would have gotten the Nazis off the hook, would have saved them from the gallows?

[eyeball]

It's not an illusion. It's something people work for everyday. Some days it's harder than others but it's still there. Running away and putting your head in the sand accomplishes nothing

That's not what the guys I'm talking about are doing. They're just going fishing. The only one's sticking their heads in the sand are fisheries officers and other officials who are looking the other way. You seem to be under the illusion that laws and regulations are being enforced.

[H10]

The Indians didn't have any land rights. They never formalized a process by which they would state that they OWNED any particular piece of land.

The white british government had already recognized squatters rights. Under the white man's own law they couldn't steal land from a land owner. Most people never had any documents for land ownership back then anyways. Most people could not read or write including most whites. And its untrue, that they never formally stated they owned a piece of land, they disputed it but whites ignored or sent in the rcmp to remove them. There was no law passed that allows government to steal land from private indian citizens.