Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Except Harper's never in the wheelhouse. As each new scandal hits the headlines, he jumps on a plane. He will have a problem though if the Duffy trial keeps extending. Hard to be out of town and on the campaign trail at the same time. Less than a year ago, you, and many others felt Trudeau would win a Majority this Fall........where are the Liberal's now? Inversely, when was the last attack add you've seen against the NDP or a negative comment in the media about their policies? That will change soon, so to will their apparent popularity peak...... Please, continue to discount the Harper Tories, but you're setting yourself up for a let-down this Fall......A ~170-180 seat Harper Majority will be the result...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Less than a year ago, you, and many others felt Trudeau would win a Majority this Fall........where are the Liberal's now? Inversely, when was the last attack add you've seen against the NDP or a negative comment in the media about their policies? That will change soon, so to will their apparent popularity peak...... Please, continue to discount the Harper Tories, but you're setting yourself up for a let-down this Fall......A ~170-180 seat Harper Majority will be the result...... When you are in government, whatever party you are, you ted to be the media focus. Just part of the territory. A year ago the Tories were well ahead of the NDP, where are they now...Harper has already tried out his attack ads and they are as sick as the last ones. atter of fact I think they in essence are the last ones. I doubt the NDP have peaked. Just a steady rise into the fall, with the outcome of Duffy in the headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Less than a year ago, you, and many others felt Trudeau would win a Majority this Fall........where are the Liberal's now? Inversely, when was the last attack add you've seen against the NDP or a negative comment in the media about their policies? That will change soon, so to will their apparent popularity peak......So Canadians can see once again that the Conservatives are the party of nasty negative bullies?Go ahead! Please, continue to discount the Harper Tories, but you're setting yourself up for a let-down this Fall......A ~170-180 seat Harper Majority will be the result...... That comment and a toonie will buy you a timmies! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 So Canadians can see once again that the Conservatives are the party of nasty negative bullies? Go ahead! . More so that the Tories are grounded in reality..........for instance, the NDP's promise to ditch the Senate. When the SCC says all ten Provinces must agree, and with only one that wants the see it go (Saskatchewan), Mulcair is embarking on a fools errand, doubly so when the largest base of the NDP's support (Quebec) will fight to tooth and nail see the Senate remain.......Mulroney learned the hard about attempting to herd cats with Meech Lake, Mulcair's promise, though lofty, is stillborn......and like many of their other polices, this will become evident once the political focus shifts to the NDP..... And don't be fooled, Mulcair is just as nasty as Harper and would be a force to reckon with if he had a more centrist Liberal Party of Canada behind him. That comment and a toonie will buy you a timmies! By all means bookmark it (or my many other posts over the last several years here stating as much) and we'll revist October 20th+ We want to campaign against the socialists as opposed to a hype driven idol, far more predictable outcome on election day...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) More so that the Tories are grounded in reality..........for instance, the NDP's promise to ditch the Senate. When the SCC says all ten Provinces must agree, and with only one that wants the see it go (Saskatchewan), Mulcair is embarking on a fools errand, doubly so when the largest base of the NDP's support (Quebec) will fight to tooth and nail see the Senate remain.......He promises to try ... which means that he will have discussions with Premiers.Unlike Harper who promised to eliminate the Senate, didn't seem to have a clue about the rules for doing so, tried to do it on bully power, failed, and refused to even try to meet with premiers to discuss it ... or anything else. Mulroney learned the hard about attempting to herd cats with Meech Lake, Mulcair's promise, though lofty, is stillborn....Like Harper's was? He didn't even give it an honest try. ..and like many of their other polices, this will become evident once the political focus shifts to the NDP..... And don't be fooled, Mulcair is just as nasty as Harper and would be a force to reckon with if he had a more centrist Liberal Party of Canada behind him. When the electorate is in the mood for real change, ties to the old guard parties are not an advantage. By all means bookmark it (or my many other posts over the last several years here stating as much) and we'll revist October 20th+ We want to campaign against the socialists as opposed to a hype driven idol, far more predictable outcome on election day...... Dragging out the old 'commies under the bed' scare?Again ... Go ahead! In case you haven't noticed, all Canadians are pretty attached to their health care that came from CCF/NDP policy and smart politics. Also in case you haven't noticed, the NDP has support of private sector workers union and non union, who are pretty attached to having jobs, and that means doing business with big business on their behalf. I don't think the red scare will work anymore ... So I hope the Conservatives will use it. . Edited June 14, 2015 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 When you are in government, whatever party you are, you ted to be the media focus. Just part of the territory. A year ago the Tories were well ahead of the NDP, where are they now...Harper has already tried out his attack ads and they are as sick as the last ones. atter of fact I think they in essence are the last ones. I doubt the NDP have peaked. Just a steady rise into the fall, with the outcome of Duffy in the headlines. The Harper Conservatives have had a negative media focus on them going into the the last several elections.......I'd be worried if it was otherwise......Less than a year ago the Trudeau Liberals where well ahead of both the Tories and NDP.....so what's your point? Likewise, going into the last several elections, the Tories have historically polled ~3-5% lower than the historic outcomes, I don't expect this trend to reverse itself, hence why I pay little attention to private polling versus internal party polling.......with the 30 new seats, which the Tories will win at least 2/3rds, the the political calculus for a Tory Majority is somewhere between ~34-35% of the vote, with the Quebec reliant NDP and Liberals at ~37%+ percent......... With the recent numbers and the downward trend in Liberal fortunes, its unlikely they could even become the Official Opposition. With the NDP, their numbers will halt and decline once the party and media focus shifts onto them, likewise the unexpected Duceppe redux, which has already resulted in a ~10% shift in the Bloc's favor (currently mostly at the Liberals, Greens and Tories expense) too will pose trouble for the Mulcair NDP.....fore they will have to run a two-front campaign, one promising gum-drops and sunshine to the rest of Canada, and another to maintain his base within Quebec.....the last Federal party so reliant on Quebec was Mulroney's PCs and we all know how that turned out...and now Mulcair wants to wade in the same waters that Mulroney did to his own peril with the Senate.... NDP supporters should soak this in now and enjoy it well it lasts, but they will (sometime late this Summer) be on the end of an onslaught by a Liberal party with a restocked war chest in the Atlantic provinces, the Liberals and now Bloc in Quebec, the Liberals in greater Toronto and the deep pockets of the Tories in the the rest of Ontario and the West.......... The result will be a Tory Majority and the eventual merger of a stronger NDP with a rump of the remaining left leaning Liberals, and a focus on 2019.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 The Harper Conservatives have had a negative media focus on them going into the the last several elections.......I'd be worried if it was otherwise......Less than a year ago the Trudeau Liberals where well ahead of both the Tories and NDP.....so what's your point? Likewise, going into the last several elections, the Tories have historically polled ~3-5% lower than the historic outcomes, I don't expect this trend to reverse itself, hence why I pay little attention to private polling versus internal party polling.......with the 30 new seats, which the Tories will win at least 2/3rds, the the political calculus for a Tory Majority is somewhere between ~34-35% of the vote, with the Quebec reliant NDP and Liberals at ~37%+ percent......... With the recent numbers and the downward trend in Liberal fortunes, its unlikely they could even become the Official Opposition. With the NDP, their numbers will halt and decline once the party and media focus shifts onto them, likewise the unexpected Duceppe redux, which has already resulted in a ~10% shift in the Bloc's favor (currently mostly at the Liberals, Greens and Tories expense) too will pose trouble for the Mulcair NDP.....fore they will have to run a two-front campaign, one promising gum-drops and sunshine to the rest of Canada, and another to maintain his base within Quebec.....the last Federal party so reliant on Quebec was Mulroney's PCs and we all know how that turned out...and now Mulcair wants to wade in the same waters that Mulroney did to his own peril with the Senate.... NDP supporters should soak this in now and enjoy it well it lasts, but they will (sometime late this Summer) be on the end of an onslaught by a Liberal party with a restocked war chest in the Atlantic provinces, the Liberals and now Bloc in Quebec, the Liberals in greater Toronto and the deep pockets of the Tories in the the rest of Ontario and the West.......... The result will be a Tory Majority and the eventual merger of a stronger NDP with a rump of the remaining left leaning Liberals, and a focus on 2019.... All that sounds like you are hanging your hopes on the idea that Canada has never elected an NDP government, and therefore never will. But the same sort of thinking just got shot to hell in Alberta. JT just hast bee able to get his act together. Harper has shown weakness with regard to the debates issue, and Mulcair has said whenever, where ever, and if you have ever watched QP, you will know that Mulcair can tear him to shreds. And Ill say it again, I reckon the outcomes from the Duffy trial will hurt the PC,s in the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Why am I seeing a vision of Derek with a firecracker strapped to his back and a sign that says "To the moon or bust!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) All that sounds like you are hanging your hopes on the idea that Canada has never elected an NDP government, and therefore never will. But the same sort of thinking just got shot to hell in Alberta. JT just hast bee able to get his act together. Harper has shown weakness with regard to the debates issue, and Mulcair has said whenever, where ever, and if you have ever watched QP, you will know that Mulcair can tear him to shreds. And Ill say it again, I reckon the outcomes from the Duffy trial will hurt the PC,s in the polls. I'm not hanging my hopes on anything but political fact.......despite the Provincial NDP win in Alberta, the Federal NDP are now only polling somewhat more competitive in 4-6 Federal Alberta seats, including the one they already hold, in Greater Edmonton and Lethbridge.....in the former, previous Federal Liberal "bastions" and in the later due in part to internal Tory squabbling in Jim Hillyer's former riding......despite this, a good night in Alberta for the Federal NDP will be retaining their current seat and picking up another 1-2.........That is until the connections between the Federal & Provincial NDP and their ties to anti-oil crusaders and the Tides foundation come to light in the coming weeks......Alberta's election of an NDP Government is best likened to them diving on the grenade for the rest of the country, as a result, a nationwide "teachable moment" on socialism. ----- Trudeau doesn't have an act to get together........as I was saying in years previous when you and a great many others expected a Trudeau majority Government this Fall ----- Harper hasn't shown weakness with regards to the debates (there will be debates, just not under the previous format), likewise both the Tories and NDP have agreed to take part in the new economically focused French TVA and English Maclean's debates....... ------ The Duffy/Senate affair is not registering with the public.....sorry.....Likewise, once reality in focused on Mulcair's plans for the Senate (in that he can't do what he promises), I would expect the entire Senate reform issue will garner little attention.......The election will focus on pocketbook issues, like already announced tax cuts (and several big ones to announced later this Summer/early September) by the Tories, and the new taxes proposed by the NDP: starting with the reversal of current tax cuts and credits, new capital gains taxes, and the oh so popular carbon tax ........ To paraphrase Chesty Puller's response to being surrounded by enemy forces: "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right....they're in front of us, they're behind us....they can't get away this time!!!" As I said, the Tories are giggling at the prospect of us versus the socialist NDP election..... If you don't believe me, ask yourself this: why have the Tories left the NDP alone? We have enough money to go after both the Trudeau Liberals and the NDP.........yet not a peep directed towards the NDP Clam before the storm....... Edited June 14, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Harper is just afraid of Mulcair, hence no peeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Clam before the storm....... How apropos..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Harper is just afraid of Mulcair, hence no peeping. Harper is not the least bit afraid of the Mulcair NDP, as already said, the Tories want a fight on policy, namely tax cuts versus tax hikes and tax cut reversals......Mulcair is ever the showmen, that I don't discount, but he is propped up by socialist polices and reliant on Quebec.....and this will be his undoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) How apropos..... Indeed.......The NDP will have a nasty fight from the Gerald Butts Trudeau Liberals in the Atlantic, greater Montreal and Toronto urban ridings......likewise a resurgent Bloc that will no doubt attack the NDP on its proposed binning of the Senate, in effect, cutting an influential voice for Quebec......I would also assume, based on their own party ties, that the Ontario Liberals will also lend support to the Trudeau Liberals....... And that is all before the NDP face the Tory war chest and ground game in the rest of Ontario and the West........I fully expect, following another Tory majority this Fall, a new Liberal Democrat party circa ~2017, building its own national machine in time for Prime Minister Jason Kenny in 2019 Edited June 14, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 You just keep waving that Jason Kenney red flag, and that and a toonie will also get you a timmies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 ...another interesting number from the latest EKOS poll: The NDP is now more popular in Ontario than Quebec (36% vs. 35%) Astonishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If trudeau gets in and with his ONT advisors, you can expect the same results for the country. Can't wait for the alberta budget. The NDP in alberta have enough time to also bring tom down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 It is obvious Conservative regulars on this forum will soon need an adjusted perspective on reality. A decade of talking down and tormenting their foes appears to be ending. Every new poll another nail in an arrogant, entitled coffin. I can't, personally think of any more arrogant and entitled group of Canadians than the pampered union chiefs supporting the NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Except Harper's never in the wheelhouse. As each new scandal hits the headlines, he jumps on a plane. He will have a problem though if the Duffy trial keeps extending. Hard to be out of town and on the campaign trail at the same time. Scandals? I can't think of one which isn't the perfect definition of 'small beer'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) So Canadians can see once again that the Conservatives are the party of nasty negative bullies? Go ahead! This apparent belief of the far left that the Conservatives invented negative advertising and dirty politics is hilarious. The Liberals were the ones who led us down this garden path, relentlessly, enthusiastically, and without an iota of shame along the way. As for the NDP, their supporters in labour have already announced a huge, multi-million dollar negative anti-tory ad campaign to benefit the NDP in the coming months. And I sure don't expect any complaints about it from you. Edited June 15, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I can't, personally think of any more arrogant and entitled group of Canadians than the pampered union chiefs supporting the NDP. Except in Alberta, where unions can't donate to political parties thanks to the Conservatives New Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 As for the NDP, their supporters in labour have already announced a huge, multi-million dollar negative anti-tory ad campaign to benefit the NDP in the coming months. And I sure don't expect any complaints about it from you. Pay backs a bitch ain't it? Enjoy the slide down conservatives. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Pay backs a bitch ain't it? Enjoy the slide down conservatives. WWWTT Payback for what? The Liberals invented negative advertising in this country and have never hesitated to use it. Nor have the NDP been saints. I do note that the Left, which was so appalled at the thought of private money being used for electoral purposes is gleefully applauding the unions, who are largely government employees, spending millions on behalf of a party they hope will form the government. No conflict of interest there, I'm sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Scandals? I can't think of one which isn't the perfect definition of 'small beer'. Then apparently you need to think a little deeper. Ever heard of contempt of parliament by chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Payback for what? The Liberals invented negative advertising in this country and have never hesitated to use it. Nor have the NDP been saints. I do note that the Left, which was so appalled at the thought of private money being used for electoral purposes is gleefully applauding the unions, who are largely government employees, spending millions on behalf of a party they hope will form the government. No conflict of interest there, I'm sure! I recall seein an anti NDP billboard on Bay st in TO over 20 years ago courtesy of the Canadian corporate elite! These same elite profited from government sell offs! Most recently were going to see Hydro One going into the corporate pocket! Be careful when mentioning "conflict of interest"! conservatives and liberals seem to be always in contact with their legal team to advise on what they can and can't do for good reason! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I guess jacee has a short memory. Look at what the big red machine and media did to harper when he 1st entered the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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