Hatikvah or "The Hope" - Israel at 67

[Rue]

Mr.Jones in Canada, remember, you claim you are a Canadian citizen, remember?...well you don't get to own land...and its unfortunate you need an America to advise you of how your country's laws work. The title to land you own, is not and has never been absolute. It allows you to occupy the land with superior rights to anyone BUT the Crown. Queen Liz, that's your head of state by the way, in Canada the crown is head of state owns the land.

Even her title might be subject to a treaty her great great great Uncle John signed with the aboriginal peoples that still applies. Now the aboriginals don't own land in their legal sysem, they retain rights to have access to the land. So the Crown when it took "possession of Canada" recognized those access rights so technically even the Crown does not have unlimited rights.

Now in Canada, remember that is where you are a citizen, most people have a mortgage which means they don't even have title to the land.

If one does pay off their mortgage their land title gives them superior rights to occupy the land but the Crown retains ultimate title and utilities and train consortiums and provincial and municipal governments and all kind of creditors have rights to take some or all of the land. In fact even squatters and trespassers can gain rights to the land.

its interesting. in the Farsi language there is no literal translation to the words "private property". Nor in Arabic or Hebrew for that matter.

But carry on Mr.Jones. Lol. Oy gevlt again we need an American to lecture a "Canadian" on his own laws.

Regards

Paul Anka

Dudley Doright

The Forest Rangers

Tommy Hunter

Alex Trebek

Edited May 1, 2015 by Rue

[Hudson Jones]

Mr.Jones in Canada, remember, you claim you are a Canadian citizen, remember?...well you don't get to own land...and its unfortunate you need an America to advise you of how your country's laws work. The title to land you own, is not and has never been absolute.

This is interesting. Please share some links, my fellow Canadian, (or are you Israeli?) as I wasn't able to find anything on the net about not really owning my land.

Regards,

Mohammad Farzin Michael Rouhani

[Moonlight Graham]

I don't quite follow.

I'm just trying to define your position. You said:

"Why is it stealing if gained in warfare started by the alleged "owners" (really tenants) on the land?"

So you're saying that Jews are the rightful owners of the land where ancient Israel sat before they were forced off of it, and therefore Zionists were/are justified in attacking and/or forcing non-Jews off this land in order to reclaim what belongs to them?

[jbg]

Bad analogy.

The problem comes when you not only take the knife, but you go and sieze his property and his house. Then you sieze the property of his children who werent even alive when he attacked you, and the property of hundreds of thousands of people who had nothing to do with the attack on you at all. Then you go and build homes for yourself on all this stolen land for you and buddies, and you make a sport out of harrasing and terrorizing those that remain, burning their crops, bulldozing homes, filling in wells etc, and you keep taking MORE land even from those that are not attacking you.

Your analogy is just really bad. Especially since Israel has done its share of being on the attack as well.

And youre wrong about the courts... if you tried to use your hypothetical alley attack as an excuse to sieze all of that persons property and the property of his children, friends, neighbors etc... You would get the book thrown at you.

If I understand you correctly, then, Israel should not be there, period, end of subject matter?

[GostHacked]

I'm just trying to define your position. You said:

So you're saying that Jews are the rightful owners of the land where ancient Israel sat before they were forced off of it, and therefore Zionists were/are justified in attacking and/or forcing non-Jews off this land in order to reclaim what belongs to them?

That seems to be the jist of it.

[Moonlight Graham]

So speaking about thread drift.We have Graham and Harder inventing powers of the UN and alleged legal concepts about welfare land annexation.

What false powers did I invent regarding the UN?

Here's how the UN works: When a country agrees to join the UN, it agrees to be bound by the Charter and any resolutions passed by the Security Council.

Then we have the false statement that Jews stole land from Palestinian owners of land from Mr. Graham who continues with the fantasy that Palestinians had land titles and Jews just walked in and took it because hey you know its what Jews do, steal. Thieves. Jews are thieves right Moonlight Graham. Let's just summarize your thesis-Jews are thieves.

I never said Arab Palestinians had "land titles" (though many certainly did under the Ottoman Land Code). I also never said "Jews were thieves", so don't try to put racist words in my mouth. My original thesis as I stated was that those Zionists were thieves in that they annexed land that didn't belong to them, that other people lived on and worked on and even owned. Zionists agreed to the Partition Plan and declared Israel an independent state specifically based on the borders defined in the Partition Plan, yet from the 1948 war they took even more land for themselves that they agreed to leave the Arab Palestinians. So yes Zionist Jews "just walked in and took it".

[marcus]

Racism in Israel is at an all time high. Decades of conditioning has created a severely sick society. Only a small percentage of the Jewish population in Israel are able to see the depth of this racist society. An Israeli journalist has translated a few tweets sent out by Israeli teens, who, without any hesitation and with ease, are letting their thoughts and feelings known about Arabs.

Terrifying Tweets of Pre-Army Israeli Teens

A simple search of Twitter for the string ARAVIM, which means "Arabs" in Hebrew, produces a long list of messages by young Jewish Israelis calling to ethnically cleanse the country.

See some more of these Israeli teens' tweets here.

[jbg]

Racism in Israel is at an all time high. Decades of conditioning has created a severely sick society. Only a small percentage of the Jewish population in Israel are able to see the depth of this racist society. An Israeli journalist has translated a few tweets sent out by Israeli teens, who, without any hesitation and with ease, are letting their thoughts and feelings known about Arabs.

Terrifying Tweets of Pre-Army Israeli Teens

A simple search of Twitter for the string ARAVIM, which means "Arabs" in Hebrew, produces a long list of messages by young Jewish Israelis calling to ethnically cleanse the country.

See some more of these Israeli teens' tweets here.

Maybe the Arabs need to show a little sanity and flexibility.

[marcus]

Maybe the Arabs need to show a little sanity and flexibility.

Towards racism and comments such as "Kill Arab children so there won't be a next generation"?

Instead of condemning such open and blatant racism, you openly and blatantly support it.

This is why Zionism is a problem.

Edited May 4, 2015 by marcus

[jbg]

Towards racism and comments such as "Kill Arab children so there won't be a next generation"?

Instead of condemning such open and blatant racism, you openly and blatantly support it.

This is why Zionism is a problem.

Are brainless comments such as that at all typical? I don't hear them often.

[Hudson Jones]

Are brainless comments such as that at all typical? I don't hear them often.

The link takes you to several examples.

It's interesting that you didn't condemn the disgustingly racist comments and instead you said: Maybe the Arabs need to show a little sanity and flexibility.

What is wrong with you? Is that what you mean by brainless comments?

Here is some reality about racism in Israel:

[marcus]

To the racist Israeli government the black Jews have always been little more than window dressing used to project a false front to the world that the white Zionists were unbiased and loving.

To the racist Israeli government the black Jews have always been little more than window dressing used to project a false front to the world that the white Zionists were unbiased and loving.

Israel was caught red handed coercing its black citizens into taking long term birth control in order to reduce their numbers....not unlike the practice of Nazi eugenics.

[jacee]

Are brainless comments such as that at all typical? I don't hear them often.

Does "Never again" mean only 'Never Jews again'?

.

[marcus]

Does "Never again" mean only 'Never Jews again'?

.

No. It means "Never white Jews again".

[Rue]

Big Guy et al have used two threads now to piss on Israel using protests in Israel over the rough treatment of an Ethiopian young man by police as the pretext to bait and utter inflammatory statements against all Israelis.

It is interesting to note that:

1-the Ethiopians protesting were not protesting Zionism or claiming Zionism is racist;

2-the Ethiopians protesting are Zionists, are Israeli and were engaging in their Zionist right to

express themselves in a free and democratic society;

3-the Ethiopians are Felashie Jews brought to Israel precisely because Zionism does not define Jews by skin colour;

4-suddenly the Zionist is racism thesis because Israel is anti Palestinian woopsy now includes Ethiopian Jews which now

means its not based on being anti-Palestinian its because people have tans or dark skin-never mind the lack of logic there;

5-the accusation now that Zionism suddenly is about skin colour is interesting-someone do point out the Zionist policies where

skin colour is used to define legal rights and pass laws that allow attacks on blacks;

6-none of the Big Guy et al entourage have questioned Canadians for being Canadian because of the questionable

behaviour of police;

7-never have Big Guy et al ever expressed concerned as to the slavery and exploitation of black African Muslims, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Bangladeshis and Filippinos in Muslim nations, not a peep;

8-never have Big Guy et al, come on this board condemning the genocides of Black Christians in Sudan, East Timorese, or attacks on

Nigerians,Mali citizens, citizens of Chad,Niger or the attacks on Kurds.

When it comes to racism, suddenly it only exists if an incident arises in Israel.

Once again the Big Guy entourage demonstrates by timing and content the script is one script trying to provide the appearance of multiple opinions.In my opinion the script is lazy, repetitive, and makes no effort any more to try sound like different people. It comes rapid fire with no distinction in syntax.

Now the fact is Israel has always been a melting pot of many different peoples-culture, language often create real differences an friction between many groups and its not skin colour its language, culture, ethnicity, differences in religious rituals, on and on.. It is no secret that for example Jews from Russia can be very racist with Arab or Black Jews but that is but one manifestation of the cross cultural frictions within Israel and ironically shows its not just with Muslims but Jews-ooops so much for the Zionism is racist because its anti Arab accusation .

When Israel's police act as they did, its interesting. When they do the same thing with white Jews which they do particularly on the West Bank, not a peep from Big Guy et al. Of course not.

In this case the police overreacted. Was it because he was black or mouthing off? Never mind that. Big Guy et al will draw their own conclusions from their armchairs.There is tension but its not racism-its cultural friction with many groups jammed in tight space who have different values. Its not simply skin colour of course.

The Big Guy entourage can not provide one Zionist paper or stateent that talks of skin colour or defining Jews by skin colour. So the best they can do is smeer by trying to infer from the bad behaviour of police officers, all Zionists are racist and ironically that means the same Ethiopian Jews.

Another day another Zionist pissing script.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Rue

[jacee]

Racism against Ethiopian Israeli Jews has already been acknowledged:

Sharansky-calls-for-improvements-in-Ethiopians-lives

[Rue]

Its not racism its not based on skin colour. Its tension an intolerance of differences based on cultural, ethnicity, language, many things. Ethiopian Felashies are not a race they are a cultural-ethnic collective and type of Jewish people. The lazy sloppy method of using the word racism and labelling tem black misses the actual causes of the tensions of assimilation they undergo within the greater Jewish mosaic and how ignorance and discriminatory attitudes towards them cn erupt into acts of intolerance against them. Jews come in all colours. Their failures at times to respect each other is not skin colour, its far deeper then that.

But you call it racism Jacee.I appreciate you need simplistic black and white labels to deal with such issues.Tsfardic-Mitrzahi Jews also feel such tensions. Differences in physical appearance may at times exasperate certain acts of intolerance but its far deeper then that.

Russians clash with Arab Jews and Felashies.but for the very same reasons they can also erupt at times with white non Russian Jews.

There has always been tension between Sabras (people born in Israel) and people not born in Israel and that transcends skin tone.

Clearly Jacee and her entourage are not the people one would expect accurate dialogue from as to the sociological tensions in Israel. Their political bias renders their comments suspect.

The actual tensions within Jewish society in Israel are remarkably similar to the tensions between peoples of the Arab world, or in Europe, the US, etc.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Rue

[marcus]

The lazy sloppy method of using the word racism and labelling tem

Right...

anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite, anti-semite...

Oh and racism is part of the Zionist ideology. Especially when it comes to White Zionists. Here are Ethiopian Jews in Israel in 2012, before the latest escalations, talking about racial discrimination in Israel - I guess Rue knows better than them, how they're being treated: