Smallc Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 The NDPs 2.7 million is winding through the courts. When the decision comes down, it might be news... Has the decision come down in the Duffy 'scandal'? I guess by your own definition, it isn't really news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 . In is interesting that Calandra, in his inane response to every question in those stupid 3-way panels.... includes the "we passed the accountability act" mantra in addition to the standard "terrorism/economy"... If must make viewers vomit. .... ....... Calandra's performance is so sub-par - refusing to answer questions, endless repetition of Tory talking points - he has become a bit of late afternoon comic relief. Rosie Barton has less and less patience with his inanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I don't know,do you ever get the sense that you lack realism? Do you ever get the sense that you voted for accountability then you apologize for the unaccountable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I for one am terribly upset that they wanted him to pay back what he owed, and it was paid back, were it not for the irrational hatred of anything conservative by people like you, maybe they wouldnt have bothered to try to hide it. again, I find it really troubling that a senator was stealing from us and the government demanded he repay. Those bastards. How do you feel about the party trying to get him to be uncooperative with the RCMP in exchange for footing his $90k bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Has the decision come down in the Duffy 'scandal'? I guess by your own definition, it isn't really news. A train wreck...while still happening ... Is news. The NDP 2.7 m train is still parked...the conductors are shuffling paper.. We have yet to see if somebody released the brakes. And by the way...I fully expect the ruling to be against them. I don't think Mulcair did them any favor by delaying repayment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Harper won't get rid of Ray Novak. They are likes twins from what I've read. He's closer to Harper than anyone, even Harper;s wife. Novak talks to Harper on a daily bases, so being so close, how could they NOT talk about a major problem brewing in the senate and the PMO, especially when it got out of control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) deleting accidental duplicate Edited August 16, 2015 by Icebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Do you ever get the sense that you voted for accountability then you apologize for the unaccountable? A apologized for the Liberals too, so the Conservatives shouldn't feel too special. I have less to apologize for though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) A train wreck...while still happening ... Is news. The NDP 2.7 m train is still parked...the conductors are shuffling paper.. We have yet to see if somebody released the brakes. Yeah, things only get in the news when there is something new to report - a simple concept that seems to elude partisans. Edited August 16, 2015 by Evening Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Yeah, things only get in the news when there is something new to report - a simple concept that seems to elude partisans. Well they are in court over it, so you point is a joke. Someone should ask Trudeau in public about the two law suits against him and the LPC from two liberal candidates that they misled and didn't green light to run. He will say the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Someone should ask Trudeau in public about the two law suits against him and the LPC from two liberal candidates that they misled and didn't green light to run. He will say the same.[/size] You mean sort of like Guergis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 You mean sort of like Guergis? It was Duffy who claimed expenses he never ever incurred. PM Harper has always said that he would not tolerate the claiming of expenses which are not incurred. Wright had to solve a problem. Wright, or any other person did or does not know exactly if Duffy's housing expense claims were within the rules! We still don't know. Wright thought the CPC party fund should have repaid the tax payers for Duffy's greed, they did not, and then Wright decided to pay the money back to the tax payers via Duffy. Wright wanted to help solve Duffy's greed problem for Duffy as well as for the government, but he did not want to make it known that Wright himself had written the cheque, and so the lies were told to hide the fact that Wright has written a personal cheque. Subordinates of Wright acted out of loyalty to Wright to keep the payment confidential. Emails show, that indeed Duffy told Wright 3 times that Duffy himself believed he himself should pay the money back, only to change his mind again, and again, and again. So, yes, lies were told. But those lies told were not in any shape or form more serious than the lie told by Chretien when he promised to get rid of the GST but never ever did once he was in power!!. Remember: Chretien served as PM for at least 8 years after he told that GST lie. So, let us put things into perspective here and not create any more fakeness about this Duffy/Wright affair than it warrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Yeah, things only get in the news when there is something new to report - a simple concept that seems to elude partisans. Right now every member of the media is enthralled with Duffy's lawyer Baynes. But that too will change. And then members of the media will want to start asking real questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 The federal courts referred to their findings as "conclusions", but you can call them what you wish I guess. And they also exonerated Chretien and Martin. Did Jean Chretien tell the truth to Canadian when he promised to do away with the GST? Chretien served for many years AFTER he had given you that lie in full and open view!! Do you really not know that neither Wright, or the PM or any of the senators were 100% clear on the senate rules. BUT................it was PM Harper who has always insisted that it is wrong (for anyone) to claim expenses NOT incurred. That is an ethical decision by a PM. Prime Ministers are much too busy to burden themselves with running their own office, let alone micromanaging the expense accounts of individual senators. Wright felt the tax payers did not need to pay for Duffy's GREED and Wright decided to pay the money back via Duffy. Wright wanted his name to be kept out of it, and so the lies came into play and the tempest in a teapot boiled over. Tea leaves everywhere, then and now. This Duffy/Wright affair is so blown over the top, it is almost unbecoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 You mean sort of like Guergis? Heck, even the CBC could barely fit Mac Harb's picure into their backdrop when it came to light that Liberal Mac Harb had actually claimed the most dubious expenses of all! Mac Harb was kept out of the picture as much as possible. It works better that way when wanting to create a fake scandal for the CPC. We understand. Fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 But the info regarding party funds paid for Duffy's audit legal advice came out long, long before this trial started. Why then could the media not ask before Harb's trial starts what the LPC party had paid to him? Why the need for a trial first for this info to come out, if no one felt the need to wait untill Duffy's trial for the info to be release? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The media wanted to know how much the CPC paid Duffy out of the party's fund for his legal advice used for the audit. The media sought an answer for that. But the media is not interested to find out how much the Liberal party paid for similar expenses for Mac Harb. The media simply does not ask the Liberals. The media only asks the CPC. Why is that? And why is everyone OK with the media's selective inquiries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Ya actually by link was to a reference made to the bible that was used. But somehow you completely ignored that! WWWTT Duffy is your hero, again. Well, Bayne knew he could take people like you for fools anytime. Bayne says thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Harper won't get rid of Ray Novak. They are likes twins from what I've read. He's closer to Harper than anyone, even Harper;s wife. Novak talks to Harper on a daily bases, so being so close, how could they NOT talk about a major problem brewing in the senate and the PMO, especially when it got out of control? Wright said that he had no indication either way if Duffy's housing expenses were legit, OR NOT. That is what you don't want to hear. Wright has said that he did not know either way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I am not desperate. I am angry that so many of you are misleading the public by simply fabricating events. Shame on you and shame on those who encourage you. Why won't the Liberal party tell us how much money they paid for Liberal senator Mac Harb when he needed legal advice for his audit? Why are the Liberals hiding such info?But things should be set into perspective. It is important to know how much the LPC paid for Mac Harb's legal advice when he was being audited. The public has a right to know. Nigel Wright resigned, the PM accepted his resignation and Wright was thereby dismissed.It is IMPOSSIBLE to fire someone after they have already tendered their resignation and after such resignation has been accepted. But perhaps in your world, people can be fired AFTER they have already resigned. You want it both ways and that's not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I am not desperate. I am angry that so many of you are misleading the public by simply fabricating events. Shame on you and shame on those who encourage you. Why won't the Liberal party tell us how much money they paid for Liberal senator Mac Harb when he needed legal advice for his audit? Why are the Liberals hiding such info?But things should be set into perspective. It is important to know how much the LPC paid for Mac Harb's legal advice when he was being audited. The public has a right to know. Nigel Wright resigned, the PM accepted his resignation and Wright was thereby dismissed.It is IMPOSSIBLE to fire someone after they have already tendered their resignation and after such resignation has been accepted. But perhaps in your world, people can be fired AFTER they have already resigned. You want it both ways and that's not realistic. It's the PM who said he fired Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's the PM who said he fired Wright. of course, the "media lines" previously had Harper stating Wright resigned... and in conjunction with that we had the daily 'drip, drip, drip' of press statements from Harper Conservative Cabinet Ministers all talking up the positive ethics and integrity of the 'goodSoldierWright'! Then... all of a sudden, in a miraculous over-night transformation, Harper trots out and states he fired Wright! Hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 But the info regarding party funds paid for Duffy's audit legal advice came out long, long before this trial started. Why then could the media not ask before Harb's trial starts what the LPC party had paid to him? Why the need for a trial first for this info to come out, if no one felt the need to wait untill Duffy's trial for the info to be release? For somebody complaining about people making stuff up, you too do your share. It was widely reported two years ago that Harb mortgaged properties to borrow $230,000 from Brian Karam to cover his repayment and legal fees. The transaction was reported to the Senate, not covered up. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's the PM who said he fired Wright. Wright said that he had no indication either way if Duffy's housing expenses were legit, OR NOT. That is what you don't want to hear. Wright has said that he did not know either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 For somebody complaining about people making stuff up, you too do your share. It was widely reported two years ago that Harb mortgaged properties to borrow $230,000 from Brian Karam to cover his repayment and legal fees. The transaction was reported to the Senate, not covered up. ... I was asking about how much the Liberal party had paid for Mac Harb BEFORE Justin washed his hands of the senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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