bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 ....Let me know how Harper or any other world leader has come anywhere close to what Bibi and the Zionist regime just pulled against the U.S. president What's so special about this or any other U.S. president ? As far as "any other world leader", you gotta be kidding me. See PM Pearson and LBJ in 1965. History is full of such occurrences...nothing special about PM Netanyahu or his nation's actions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 What's so special about this or any other U.S. president ? As far as "any other world leader", you gotta be kidding me. See PM Pearson and LBJ in 1965. History is full of such occurrences...nothing special about PM Netanyahu or his nation's actions. Different. Again. No need for me to explain beyond my previous post. Good luck. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Different. Again. No need for me to explain beyond my previous post. Good luck. Not different.....LBJ was "carpet bombing" North Vietnam ! Let me guess....today's poor oppressed Gazans making rockets and terror tunnels have it so much worse than that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 You are displaying a major lack of focus. I am sure there are some similarities, but I'm not comparing North Vietnamese to Gazans. I am talking about Israel and Bibi's display against Obama in regards to peace negotiations with Iran and you tried to say that it's the same as Harper display against Obama in regards to Keystone pipeline. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 You are displaying a major lack of focus. I am sure there are some similarities, but I'm not comparing North Vietnamese to Gazans. I am talking about Israel and Bibi's display against Obama in regards to peace negotiations with Iran and you tried to say that it's the same as Harper display against Obama in regards to Keystone pipeline. No, I am quite focused. Comparisons to Canada and PM Harper were on point with respect to other nation's trying to influence U.S. foreign and domestic policy (by whatever means). Israel is no different, and Israel's critics continue to lose "focus" in this regard. Pick a number....get in line. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 No, I am quite focused. Comparisons to Canada and PM Harper were on point with respect to other nation's trying to influence U.S. foreign and domestic policy (by whatever means). Israel is no different, and Israel's critics continue to lose "focus" in this regard. Pick a number....get in line. Harper's style of lobbying for Keystone and his actions are nothing like Bibi's style of lobbying and actions. You are absolutely wrong in your comparison. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Harper's style of lobbying for Keystone and his actions are nothing like Bibi's style of lobbying and actions. You are absolutely wrong in your comparison. I agree...Netanyahu and Israel are much better at it. Maybe he can teach Harper. Edited March 26, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I am still working on what a delicious arms deal is. I think it must be something to do with lobbying other than with bagels and lox.Maybe we Zionist Jew thugs should find out what they are serving. I don't think its kanishes though. Can someone please advise On Guard, that relations between Saudi Arabia and the US are not close and have in fact been like Egypt's and Israel's strained at best so much so that Saudi Arabia and Egypt will not meet with either Obama or Kerry now, and have turned to Russia for military support. Saudi Arabia is also at war now with Iran in Yemen, a country that Obama has signalled Iran they can have in return for a "nuclear peace deal". On Guard can you keep up please. As for Israel being mafia thugs etc., that's very insulting to Italians Marcus but thanks for that name calling. It really helps establish credibility in your positions. Regards Leo DeCaprio Bob DeNiro Marty Scorcese Tony Bennett Sophia Loren I Edited March 26, 2015 by Rue Quote
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Can someone please advise On Guard, that relations between Saudi Arabia and the US are not close and have in fact been like Egypt's and Israel's strained at best so much so that Saudi Arabia and Egypt will not meet with either Obama or Kerry now, and have turned to Russia for military support. It's great that you show confidence in with what you type. But you need to slow down and do some research. With all your typing and the fantasy world (Obama/Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theories) you have created in your head and have consumed yourself with, you have, unfortunately, drowned out reality and the facts. Egypt: The US has revealed it has released $575m (£338m) in military aid to Egypt that had been frozen since the ousting of President Mohammed Morsi last year. The news came as Secretary of State John Kerry visited Cairo just two weeks after former army chief Abdul Fattah al-Sisi was sworn in as president. Saudi Arabia King Abdullah’s death in Saudi Arabia should not alter the strong defense ties between the United States and the kingdom, a key American ally in a volatile region. Saudi Arabia is expected to spend more than $56 billion on defense in 2015, according to data compiled by the firm Avascent. Of that, the kingdom is expected to spend nearly $17 billion on new weapons. Saudi Arabia’s military is largely made up of American and European weapons, including Boeing F-15 fighters, Lockheed Martin C-130 cargo planes, Eurofighter Typhoon fighters, Boeing Apache attack helicopters and General Dynamics Abrams tanks. In 2010 alone, the Obama administration cleared a $60 billion sale of F-15s, Apaches, Sikorsky Blackhawk helicopters and other weapons and equipment to Saudi Arabia. Edited March 28, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I agree...Netanyahu and Israel are much better at it. Maybe he can teach Harper. I guess some people/countries are better at being dirty and slimy than others. Harper still has some learning to do from Bibi until they are the same, as you suggested before. For now, your comparison was a failure. Edited March 26, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I guess some people/countries are better at being dirty and slimy than others. Harper still has some learning to do from Bibi until they are the same, as you suggested before. For now, your comparison was a failure. The comparison was fine....Canada's slimy lobbying is fine....and the raging naivete about such things is fine too. Israel and Israelis don't owe you or me a damn thing when it comes to picking a ruling party, or lobbying for Israel's interests. It just does it a lot better than Canada, which can't even get a pipeline approved....across provinces...or the U.S. border. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 Better than have Iran on your side. If you think Saudi Arabia would be a better ally than Iran, then you know very little about the Middle East and those two countries. Even that smug, Bill Maher, a self-confessed Zionist and Bibi supporter thinks supporting Saudi over Iran is a bad idea. The top funders of ISIS are from Saudi. So why would you want Saudi as an ally? What's wrong with you? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jacee Posted March 27, 2015 Report Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) It just does it a lot better than Canada, which can't even get a pipeline approved....across provinces...or the U.S. border. Power of the people is amazing, eh? Not too shabby in Nebraska either! /end derail . Edited March 27, 2015 by jacee Quote
Rue Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Hudson Jones you once again demonstrated why you lack any credibility. You take someone you totally disagree with but quote him. In so doing you demonstrate you call people liars but suddenly will quote those liars as long as they say something you like.Lol. Bill Maher never said Israel should be allied with Iran.Bill Maher stated exactly what Netanyahu has said for 8 years and that is that both Shiite and Sunni extremists are just as dangerous and whether its Saudi Arabia or Iran supporting either, its just as dangerous not just to Israel but the world. But hey why let what he actually said stop your latest narcissistic reference to your views. Bottom line is-you just you are now showing your true pro Iranian agenda not Bill Maher. Quote
marcus Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Rue - Show some integrity and respond to the misinformation you posted and were called on regarding Egypt/Saudi/U.S. military aid. Edited March 30, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Rue Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Marcus: 1. refrain from accusing me of lacking integrity and engaging in misrepresentations-those are personal attacks; 2. the fact I disagree with you does not mean I have posted misrepersentations or lack integrity; 3. the fact you engage in personal attacks again continues the exercise you and Hudson Jones do when you preface your opinions with personal attacks-knock it off; 4. providing me a stale dated reference to military purchases by Saudi Arabia from the US is absurd and it simply shows you can't find anything that backs your position after that date; 5. the fact that Saudi Arabia or Egypt will purchase military weapons from the US does not automatically suggest as you argue that they must have good or close relations-what a ridiculous thing to argue. My basis for stating Saudi US relations is strained comes not from inferring from a military purchase a damn thing-it comes from the Saudi Arabian intelligence chief: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/saudi-us-relations_n_4141754.html Wait you want to attack the source, rthink again. Since you quote Al Jazeera as your source of opinions then go read it: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/10/saudi-reassess-relations-with-us-20131022213218439646.html http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2013/11/relations-us-saudiarabia.html The opinion I stated is shared by many, and no they do not lack integrity nor do they spread misinformation either: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24638061 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/is-the-us-losing-saudi-ar_b_4176729.html http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/60194 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2472680/Saudi-Arabia-severs-diplomatic-ties-US-response-conflict-Syria.html https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/7935-saudi-to-restrict-relations-with-usa http://www.scotsman.com/news/world/syria-causes-major-shift-in-saudi-us-relations-1-3152315 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-mask-of-u-s-saudi-friendship-is-finally-slipping-1.2947156 http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/2013/04/01/Saudi-U-S-relations-changing-dynamics.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/22/six-reasons-the-u-s-and-saudi-arabia-are-moving-apart/ Right Marcus everyone but you has integrity. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Marcus: 1. refrain from accusing me of lacking integrity and engaging in misrepresentations-those are personal attacks; Yes, yes they are personal attacks. Quote
Rue Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/egypt-us-relations-turmoil_n_4107169.html http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-us-relations-turmoil-egyptian-foreign-minister-081726636.html;_ylt=A0LEV2dSvRlVysMABZbrFAx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzYmdoaTM1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjcEY29sbwNiZjEEdnRpZAM- http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-06-23/frosty-relations-between-us-and-egypt-are-further-tested-journalist-crackdowns http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/35361/Egypt/Politics-/Behind-the-EgyptUS-aid-crisis.aspx http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/35361/Egypt/Politics-/Behind-the-EgyptUS-aid-crisis.aspx http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-10/17/c_132804884.htm The above are just some of the many articles on strained Egypt Israel relations. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Hudson Jones you once again demonstrated why you lack any credibility. You take someone you totally disagree with but quote him. In so doing you demonstrate you call people liars but suddenly will quote those liars as long as they say something you like.Lol. Bill Maher never said Israel should be allied with Iran.Bill Maher stated exactly what Netanyahu has said for 8 years and that is that both Shiite and Sunni extremists are just as dangerous and whether its Saudi Arabia or Iran supporting either, its just as dangerous not just to Israel but the world. But hey why let what he actually said stop your latest narcissistic reference to your views. Bottom line is-you just you are now showing your true pro Iranian agenda not Bill Maher. There was never a question about whether Israel and Iran should be allies. It was about who the U.S. should be allied with; Iran or Saudi and Maher agreed with the simple answer; Iran. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Rue Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) There was no discussion in the tape you provided Hudson Jones from Bill Maher about Saudi Arabia being an ally let alone a better ally than Iran for the US either. There was no comparison to Saudi Arabia. Edited March 31, 2015 by Rue Quote
jbg Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 You are displaying a major lack of focus. Compared to your perseveration on Israel's lack of perfection, yes. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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