marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Canada's government and oil interests have been spying and feeding misinformation to influence American policy as well. Welcome to the club. Are you still trying to convince people that Canada's lobbying for keystone pipeline is the same as Israel trying to sabotage peace negotiations with Iran and pushing the U.S. to start a war with Iran? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Are you still trying to convince people that Canada's lobbying for keystone pipeline is the same as Israel trying to sabotage peace negotiations with Iran and pushing the U.S. to start a war with Iran? I'm not here to convince people of anything....it's too obvious. If Canada can shamelessly lobby for its interests, so can Israel. Pick a number...get in line. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 You aren't serious. Why should Israel even tolerate the birthing of a state out to obliterate it? It's happening whether Israel likes it or not. Quote
Rue Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Marcus your answer to me as usual misses the point I made. So did Jacee's. What a surprise. Israel has never stated Palestinian's don't deserve a state. That is not and was never the issue. Israel has stated over and over again countless times it has no issue with another Palestinian state other than Jordan. What it continues to state despite the idiotic attempts to try change what Netanyahu said, is what all Israeli leaders will keep saying, Israel can not recognize a Palestinian state if that state will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state and rip up its charter calling for the death of Jews worldwide not just in Israel until all of Israel is taken back. You can spin and change the topic but your attempts to avoid what is actually debated are there for all to see. This was never and will never be about deserving a state, it is about a Palestinian Authority,numerous other terror cells including Hamas, demanding all of Israel be disbanded and turned into a MUSLIM state. Period. As for Jacee referring to it happening, I get her words. In her world, its happening, the world will see the destruction of Israel and the return of it to a Muslim caliphate right Jacee? Er no that is not what you mean. You just man a Palestinian state. Tee hee. Silly me.You just skip over the details as to where that state will be, why it must be Muslim but there can be no Jewish state,why Hamas will remain armed and dedicated to wiping out Israel and the PA, ok come on now just because they refuse to recognize a Jewish state but demand there state be Muslim, well hey in Jacee's world double standards are just fine. One for Muslims one for Jews, right Jacee? Not only that but of course Israel will recognize a state whose leader stands up in his assembly giving a standing ovation to fellow members chanting death to Israel and who himself screams out in a speech he will never stop until Israeli is in Muslim hands. Right Jacee I get the spin. You ignore the parts that don't suit your selective narrative and we continue on this forum beating the Zionist poo mantra. But hey what do I know, when I use the word poo or ka ka to describe your mantra its considered immature.Lol. Another day another Zionist poo and counter poo. Quote
Rue Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Getting back to Bush's point, its always interesting to see the Zionist poo cabal on the board try make it sinister as to Israel and its "lobbying". Of course that same cabal that once engaged in the song that Jews control Washington, the world, the media, the banks,Hollywood, Molly Cyrus' vee vee,well they are a little more quiet these days explaining how if Israel controls the US, for eight years Obama has been blatantly anti Israel and openly embraced and welcomed to the white house, Middle East terrorists, funded Muslim extremist terrorists to overthrow a regime only to have it blow up in his face, completely mishandle Yemen with his boasted cutting edge approach to terrorism in that country, openly now embrace Hezbollah and Hamas as legitimate peace partners, and tell the world Iran is a rational nation-this the same man who wanted Assad gone and now flies over his country to kill Assad's enemies. Yes sir, the Zionists created Obama. He's one of our false flags you know Bush. The truth is his last name is Shapiro. Bush's point was clearly stated and of course he got the Hudson Jones decree-no its not the same,no position,no explanation, just the proclamation. So here is the Rue proclamation/decree- Yes Bush you are right. Oh but hey I can say more actually. I just don't wave my arrogant countenance upon Bush's face. I respond as well by saying, it is in fact Britain with the largest national lobby in Washington. Both China's, (Taiwan and Republic of China), South Korea, Japan, even France have larger lobby groups than Israel. In fact Israel's is not the largest. AIPAC has been proven to be powerless in stopping Obama. So much for the sinister Zionist cabal. Now as for Canada the public domain contains the lobby groups Canada has used to try get its oil pipeline passed. Its not a secret. Its how things are done on the hill.To pretend when a Jew does it, its some sinister Zionist plot with mind control but when someone else does it, its just lobbying was the point Bush made, and the usual anti Zionist cabal has no counter point, just a no. Yah yah I know. Jews are special. When they lobby their bagels absolutely do a number on Senators. Quote
marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 I'm not here to convince people of anything....it's too obvious. What is obvious is that you have a problem with making sensible comparisons. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 This is what the sick Israeli society is okay with and has voted for: Time for the world to intervene. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) These are the mafia thugs that the Israeli citizens have voted for: Suspended tax transfers leave Palestinian economy on the brink Israel stopped the transfer of revenues from tax and customs duties in January in protest at the Palestinians' move to join the International Criminal Court from April 1, when war crimes charges may be filed against Israel. Since then, more than $500 million has been withheld from the economy, prompting the Palestinian Authority, which administers the West Bank, to cut most of its employees' salaries by 40 percent and resort to an emergency budget. Nothing but bullies. The intervention has already began: French firm pulls out of controversial Jerusalem cable car project Palestinian Authority complained to Paris about Safege’s involvement in the project. French finance and foreign ministries warned the company about the legal risks, and it pulled out. Edited March 25, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 What is obvious is that you have a problem with making sensible comparisons. The comparison is more than sensible...it is the practical reality. But the good news is that you can do the same thing....raise some money....hire some anti-Israeli and/or pro-Palestinian lobbyists to work your agenda Good luck with that.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 The comparison is more than sensible...it is the practical reality. But the good news is that you can do the same thing....raise some money....hire some anti-Israeli and/or pro-Palestinian lobbyists to work your agenda Good luck with that.... You are very selective when trying to throw one of your ridiculous comparisons at the people. This is more than just lobbying. Israel, first, spied on the U.S. government, then behind the President's back, Bibi set-up a misinformation session in congress, where he twisted the stolen information in order to derail peace negotiations and to get U.S. into another war and to appease the GOP's thirst for Obama bashing. Let me know which other country and country leader has done something like this. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Shady Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Netanyahu is playing a very dangerous game. Just before the election he declared a promise of no Palestinian State while he was in power and scared the Israeli voters warning them that "Arabs are voting in droves". He has now conveniently said that he did not say what he said and apologized to the Israeli Arabs. Well, if Israeli voters do not see him as the liar of convenience that he has proven himself to be then that is their problem. It is one thing to lie to get elected and another to spy on an ally and then take active participation to undermine American policy. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/report-israel-spied-iran-nuclear-talks-150324071420354.html Israel has spied on US negotiations over Iran's nuclear programme and fed the obtained intelligence to Republican Congress members in order to undermine support for the talks, the Wall Street Journal reported. I suggest that the American people should review their association with Israel with the goal to cut them loose and separate the Americans from the Israeli back stabbing policies. When will the West start to look away from Israel and towards Iran for Middle East stability? This is a complete non story. The only reason Israel has spied on negotiations, is because the Obama administration won't brief them on any details, and refuses to do so until after the deal is signed, while completely bypassing congress, which is unconstitutional. You reap what you sow. Regardless, the ironic part of this story is that the only way this information was discovered, was by SPYING ON ISRAEL. Also, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE, etc, are all on the side of Israel regarding the Iran/nuclear issue. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Also, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE, etc, are all on the side of Israel. Put that on your resume! Egypt and Saudi are on your side! Also, lol @ "briefing Israel". Edited March 25, 2015 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 ....Israel, first, spied on the U.S. government, then behind the President's back, Bibi set-up a misinformation session in congress, where he twisted the stolen information in order to derail peace negotiations and to get U.S. into another war and to appease the GOP's thirst for Obama bashing. So what....all nations engage in spying at many levels. The U.S. is spying on Canada right now ! Peace negotiations do not preclude spying...in fact...they require even more intelligence gathering. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Put that on your resume! Egypt and Saudi are on your side! Also, lol @ "briefing Israel". Better than have Iran on your side. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Better than have Iran on your side. Yep....that's for sure. Palestine sure picked a winner ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 So what....all nations engage in spying at many levels. The U.S. is spying on Canada right now ! Peace negotiations do not preclude spying...in fact...they require even more intelligence gathering. If you are going to respond to only a fraction of what was stated, then only quote that part. Otherwise, respond to the rest. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Better than have Iran on your side. Most would disagree, including Obama and European countries. Except for maybe France. They have some delicious arms deals with Saudi. Saudi Arabia is the #1 backer of ISIS. Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi and Egypt. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 If you are going to respond to only a fraction of what was stated, then only quote that part. Otherwise, respond to the rest. I only respond to what matters. All nations spy....even Israel. Amazing....huh ? I don't care about "peace negotiations" with sponsors of terrorism....seems kinda pointless. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Saudi Arabia is the #1 backer of ISIS. Most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi and Egypt. Saudi Arabia is one of Canada's biggest arms export market. Go Canada ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I only respond to what matters. All nations spy....even Israel. Amazing....huh ? I don't care about "peace negotiations" with sponsors of terrorism....seems kinda pointless. What matters is that your comparison doesn't work if you leave out the glaring differences. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Saudi Arabia is one of Canada's biggest arms export market. Go Canada ! Stop pretending people here are defending Canada and their foreign policy. You're not getting any points. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 What matters is that your comparison doesn't work if you leave out the glaring differences. It works just fine....how dare Israel spy on "peace negotiations" while the U.S. and other nations spy on everything under and not under the sun. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Stop pretending people here are defending Canada and their foreign policy. You're not getting any points. I don't need or want any "points". Who made you the boss 'round here ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Saudi Arabia is one of Canada's biggest arms export market. Go Canada ! And certainly one of Uncle Sams bestest buddies, for a long time. Go Sam! Quote
marcus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 It works just fine....how dare Israel spy on "peace negotiations" while the U.S. and other nations spy on everything under and not under the sun. The spying is just a part of what is wrong with Israel's relationship with the U.S. The points that have been raised are more than just the spying and lobbying. The prime minister of Israel went behind U.S.' president, who gives Israel $3.1 billion a year, plus amazing political support through its veto at the UN, yet, Israel acts with arrogance and treats the president and his efforts to negotiate a peace deal with contempt. Israel goes behind the president's back and holds hands with the opposition to spit in Obama's face and then use the so-called "intelligence" they stole and shared with the willingly gullible Republicans, which were Hasbara manufactured counterintelligence, ie lies, to manipulate the Republicans' intransigence against Obama and his Iran nuclear negotiations to push U.S. into war. Let me know how Harper or any other world leader has come anywhere close to what Bibi and the Zionist regime just pulled against the U.S. president Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
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