Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 But like self-driving cars? There are cars everywhere and in case you haven't noticed, they are no longer Model T's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm not saying he is wrong but his link says nothing about the U2. From his post: In the House Armed Services Committee's markup of the FY 2015 budget, language was included prohibiting the use of funds to retire or store the U-2; it also requested a report outlining the transition capabilities from the U-2 to the RQ-4 Block 30 in light of capability gap concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 There are cars everywhere and in case you haven't noticed, they are no longer Model T's Some of us have a hard time realizing that technology progresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Your sky commuter will most likely never come in your life time. Autonomous driving might, not sure exactly how old you are. We have self-driving cars with thousand of hours logged, it's just a matter of making them affordable for the average family, that is what will take the most times as auto corporations tend to drag their heels on these sorts of things. Self driving cars, that don't drive in rain or snow......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 From his post: Tell me where in his link the U2 is mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 There are cars everywhere and in case you haven't noticed, they are no longer Model T's Sure, but if the USAF finds the required bandwidth to operate large fleets of UAVs as one of most limiting factors in their widespread use, implementing self driving cars is fantasy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Self driving cars, that don't drive in rain or snow......... I've no doubt they could be programmed to work a damned sight better to drive in rain and snow than most drivers who hardly ever see snow and you can bet they won't tailgate each other at120 kph in pissing rain like so many around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Self driving cars, that don't drive in rain or snow....... Actually they have driven in the rain. Not the snow, not YET. But give it time, within the next 10 years minimum cars will be autonomously driving in all weather conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Tell me where in his link the U2 is mentioned. Try this link istead..... The fate of the U-2 is, again, up in the air. The Global Hawk Block 30 got retired. But it had congressional friends. Then the U-2 was retired in the 2015 budget. Now its “retirement” is on hold til 2019! http://breakingdefense.com/2015/02/air-force-riding-budget-boost-warns-on-sequester-u-2-is-back/ Edited March 9, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Some of us have a hard time realizing that technology progresses. And some that embrace technology and make a living from the progression of technology also understand its limitations...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I've no doubt they could be programmed to work a damned sight better to drive in rain and snow than most drivers who hardly ever see snow and you can bet they won't tailgate each other at120 kph in pissing rain like so many around here. ....Yet my wife's self parking Tesla still has scuff marks on the curbside tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Actually they have driven in the rain. Not the snow, not YET. But give it time, within the next 10 years minimum cars will be autonomously driving in all weather conditions. Maybe, and unaffordable for the public, nor in widespread use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Sure, but if the USAF finds the required bandwidth to operate large fleets of UAVs as one of most limiting factors in their widespread use, implementing self driving cars is fantasy...... That may be an issue but it has nothing to do with their relative capabilities. Bandwidth will not be an issue with self driving cars and they may well be able to communicate with each other to avoid collisions. Aircraft TCAS systems have done that for some time. Edited March 9, 2015 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 That may be an issue but it has nothing to do with their relative capabilities. Bandwidth will not be an issue with self driving cars and they may well be able to communicate with each other to avoid collisions. Aircraft TCAS systems have done that for some time. How many TCAS have to control the aircraft well going through a red light or contending with a mattress on the hwy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 That may be an issue but it has nothing to do with their relative capabilities. Bandwidth will not be an issue with self driving cars and they may well be able to communicate with each other to avoid collisions. Aircraft TCAS systems have done that for some time. TCAS works to avoid collisions but doesnt do much for the A to B information. That will have to come from GPS I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 And some that embrace technology and make a living from the progression of technology also understand its limitations...... And some of those people are putting a ton of effort and money into over coming those perceived "limitations", that's how we move ahead. Never thought you were such a Luddite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) TCAS works to avoid collisions but doesnt do much for the A to B information. That will have to come from GPS I assume. I would imagine that would be a big part oHow many TCAS have to control the aircraft well going through a red light or contending with a mattress on the hwy? Self driving cars won't run red lights. That's the point. Perhaps you should look into the Audi system and see what they are using for sensors. Edited March 9, 2015 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 And some of those people are putting a ton of effort and money into over coming those perceived "limitations", that's how we move ahead. Never thought you were such a Luddite. Just like the engineers that developed the Sky Commuter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Self driving cars won't run red lights. That's the point. But not my point.......self driving cars will have to communicate with every intersection and every other car on the road......hence bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Just like the engineers that developed the Sky Commuter? Never heard of it. On the other hand I have heard of Ford, Audi, Tesla, Google etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) But not my point.......self driving cars will have to communicate with every intersection and every other car on the road......hence bandwidth.And there is a cell phone in every one of them, half of them probably being used at the time.Self driving cars won't run red lights because they will be programmed not to. But say they won't be able to communicate, is that any worse than human drivers? Edited March 9, 2015 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 And there is a cell phone in every one of them, half of them probably being used at the time. And yet your cellphone doesn't have a requirement to transmit and receive a fraction of the required data to allow a car to talk to intersections and other cars on the road with you.......Have you ever had a dropped call? Imagine your car dropping a call from the oncoming red light and an automated garbage truck is going through the intersection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Self driving cars won't run red lights because they will be programmed not to. But say they won't be able to communicate, is that any worse than human drivers? Traffic lights, stop signs, yields etc will all have to be in constant contact with not only your car, but every other car on the road........Ford, Tesla, BMW etc can't program your car to predict traffic light changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Maybe, and unaffordable for the public, nor in widespread use. they said that about electric cars too. It will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Traffic lights, stop signs, yields etc will all have to be in constant contact with not only your car, but every other car on the road........Ford, Tesla, BMW etc can't program your car to predict traffic light changes. Are you even being serious right now? Of course they will be in constant contact with everything around them at all times. That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. Just like autonomous warehouse bots are in constant contact with each other to avoids collisions. It's literally just sending a signal to all cars within the area, if you don't think that technology will exist and exceed our expectation within the next 10 years you don't understand technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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